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California Recall Live Thread

Posted on 10/07/2003 5:34:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth

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To: Keith; Mo1
LOL - you're right - I watched it again and did the rewind thing on TiVo. My husband was watching it in the garage, and he heard it the same way I did. Whew!! : )
4,151 posted on 10/08/2003 7:37:57 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm not perfect, but parts of me are excellent.)
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To: All
I'll pose this question here instead of a vanity post, to see what the opinions are of California Freepers and Recall Thread posters.

Now that Davis is out and Arnold is in (by significant percentages) what's your opinion of how this will impact Hillary's decision about a possible Presidency run in '04? Or even in '08 for that matter?

It's obvious that Bill Clinton endorsements are not an asset for Dimocrapic hopefuls or hangers-on. In fact they could be viewed as a liability. So, does that same handicap also extend to Hillary now? Will her Heinous decide Bill has too much baggage for her to carry and divorce him before any run?

The Beest and her keepers have to be sweating bullets about the Arnold win. They may even have to concede the backlash effect of the Times smears. What is likely to be their next tactic and what will be their methods?

Prairie
4,152 posted on 10/08/2003 7:42:06 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I'm a monthly donor to FR. And proud of it!)
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To: pgyanke
Please get off the pitty potty ~ there are a couple of more whiners that want to use it. :)
4,153 posted on 10/08/2003 7:48:29 AM PDT by blackie
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To: prairiebreeze
Will her Heinous decide Bill has too much baggage for her to carry and divorce him before any run?

Color me amazed that she didn't divorce him about 2 nanoseconds after she was elected Senator in New York. I think she honestly believed that people would be nostalgic for the Clinton years after a year or two of President Bush; the fact that they're not surprised her.

The Beest and her keepers have to be sweating bullets about the Arnold win. They may even have to concede the backlash effect of the Times smears. What is likely to be their next tactic and what will be their methods?

I think we'll see in a couple of weeks. Tying up the election results in the courts and plain old obstruction in the Assembly by Rat legislators are two likely outcomes. They'll probably learn from the experiences of the "Chicken D" legislators in Texas and secrete key Rat legislators somewhere in Nevada or New Mexico, thus denying a quorum and making Schwarzenegger look ineffective.

4,154 posted on 10/08/2003 7:48:56 AM PDT by strela ("Trust but verify.")
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To: Keith
No, Bush is out of step with the state's ideology. Arnold fits it like a glove. The state is a libertarian state-- fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.
4,155 posted on 10/08/2003 7:50:33 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative ("We happy because when we switch on the TV you never see Saddam Hussein. That's a big happy.")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Where's Bill! Where's Hitllary! The great Klintons are no where to be found.
4,156 posted on 10/08/2003 7:53:28 AM PDT by jetson
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To: strela
That sounds risky to me. To play a Chicken D move in California. But then rational behavior isn't their way either.

Hopefully the voters would remain strongly voiced and flood their congressman's offices and the media outlets with on-going complaints should that tactic be tried.

Prairie
4,157 posted on 10/08/2003 7:55:11 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I'm a monthly donor to FR. And proud of it!)
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To: prairiebreeze
Now that Davis is out and Arnold is in (by significant percentages) what's your opinion of how this will impact Hillary's decision about a possible Presidency run in '04?

No change. She's not running for President:

She's running for VICE President.

• She keeps he promise not to run for president in '04
• Two years and one day into her term the first slotter gets arkincided
• Under Article XXII, she can still run for two full terms as the incumbent
• The Hillary!™ Decade begins
• Hillary uses the Patriot Act to it's fullest extent, and beyond
• At the end of the Hillary!™ Decade there is a National Emergency "temporarily" delaying the elections
• Under the pressure of the National Emergency, the 2nd and 22nd amendments are repealed...

Just as an aside, with the Clinton's love of all things Military - Wesley Clark is VERY expendible, isn't he?

4,158 posted on 10/08/2003 7:57:30 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Yikes nully! :^D

You do raise a good point about the Veep role though. And the technicality she might employ with NY constituents who question it.

Prairie
4,159 posted on 10/08/2003 8:00:50 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I'm a monthly donor to FR. And proud of it!)
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To: blackie
... all yours!
4,160 posted on 10/08/2003 8:01:34 AM PDT by pgyanke (Social liberalism leads to fiscal socialism...)
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To: Impeach the Boy
however, I warned EARLY on that if Arnold doesn't cut spending and taxes, California will still go into default in the next couple of years and the ENTIRE GOP will suffer,

He has said that he would do so. He has surrounded himself with capable advisors. He knows that the main impetus for dumping Dufus was the fiscal mess AND the refusal to cut expenses while increasing taxes. So, what makes you think he will not respond with fiscally conservative policy?

4,161 posted on 10/08/2003 8:02:33 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: prairiebreeze
I don't sleep well...
4,162 posted on 10/08/2003 8:03:23 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
So, what makes you think he will not respond with fiscally conservative policy?

Geeeeee, I dunno, his advisor wanting to overturn Prop 13 maybe???

Or wanting to add a huge tax to Indian casinos???

Time will tell. Still, I'm hopeful - he's gotta be better than Davis...

4,163 posted on 10/08/2003 8:06:58 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Two years and one day into her term the first slotter gets arkincided

I still don't see this. Why would she kill the goose that lays the golden egg? He's proven to be an absolute sock puppet. If she keeps him in place, she has an opportunity for 16 years in the Executive Branch instead of 10. Now why would she want to change that?

4,164 posted on 10/08/2003 8:09:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (Social liberalism leads to fiscal socialism...)
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To: Truth666
Prediction : we are about to witness the largest electoral fraud that ever took place in a democracy. Explanation : the last minute stories will be used to justify the "results". But I also think that it is the tacit acceptance of such polls that lays the basis for the coming fraud counting the votes. Davis got no more than 20%.

The above post shows that with some people you just can't win. I have been arguing for some time that fraud exists, but it is in the tens or hundreds of thousands, nationwide, not tens of millions. I predicted two days ago on a thread that the election would go smoothly, the win would be huge, and the predictions of massive fraud would be wrong.

We get a massive win, and there are STILL people, as above, who think that even the pathetic figures for Davis are half fraud. What planet are you living on? There are people who disagree with us, and we have to understand that, contend with it, and beat it. Whining that even when you win big it shows that the other side is frauding is childish.

4,165 posted on 10/08/2003 8:09:38 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone
I'm no good at linking, so see this thread:

"Dems Ready to Sabotage a Republican Win in CA"
4,166 posted on 10/08/2003 8:18:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (Social liberalism leads to fiscal socialism...)
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To: pgyanke
reality is that Davis was not given a chance to be one of those considered by the electorate. This is not fair.

Just because he got rejected say by 49% doesn't mean he shouldn't have been given a chance to run against the field of other candidates.
4,167 posted on 10/08/2003 8:29:37 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: kkindt
reality is that Davis was not given a chance to be one of those considered by the electorate. This is not fair.

What are you smoking?! He was given more than a fair chance by the electorate... he is the incumbent... he ran unopposed in the first part of the ballot... rather than keep his rat butt in office, HE WAS FIRED! Being a candidate to replace himself makes no sense!

4,168 posted on 10/08/2003 8:36:58 AM PDT by pgyanke (Social liberalism leads to fiscal socialism...)
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To: pgyanke; All
Bttt!!
4,169 posted on 10/08/2003 8:47:38 AM PDT by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: pgyanke
Thanks sport ~ you're all heart. :):)
4,170 posted on 10/08/2003 9:24:09 AM PDT by blackie
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To: kkindt
Yes.
But it is moot.
And, does not make a plurality in any way unfair.
4,171 posted on 10/08/2003 9:30:07 AM PDT by norton
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To: null and void
Geeeeee, I dunno, his advisor wanting to overturn Prop 13 maybe???

Arnold publicly disagreed with Buffet's opinion. PS: I do not understand why some capitalists, after having made THEIR fortunes, become so adamant about confiscating the fortune of others.

Or wanting to add a huge tax to Indian casinos??? All citizens should be subject to the equivalent taxation, IMO.

Time will tell. Still, I'm hopeful - he's gotta be better than Davis...

I think we will be witnessing many positive changes.

4,172 posted on 10/08/2003 9:32:03 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: kkindt
reality is that Davis was not given a chance to be one of those considered by the electorate. This is not fair.

WHAT?!! He had full consideration by the electorate in question number 1. He was rejected by just a hair under 55% of those who voted - 60% of registered voters. Only 40% of registered voters voted in Nov. 2002, and of those, only 48% voted FOR Grayout Doofus. Arnold got more votes in this election than Doofus got in 2002. I'd say it was more than fair.

4,173 posted on 10/08/2003 9:38:35 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: Sabertooth
Congrats to Arnold. Also, Maria is a doll (even though her politics stink).
4,174 posted on 10/08/2003 9:48:40 AM PDT by mrobison
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To: pgyanke
Now why would she want to change that?

Greed. She wants it all. She wants to be the President. She wants it NOW.

Under my senario it would be President for life, not just in the shadows for 8 years (8 YEARS!!! that's a LONG time to be soooooo close to what you desire without being able to have it!) and the possibility of not getting elected herself when she's an old chrone.

We're dealing with EVIL, not rational thinking.

I'm serious when I refer to her as the demon possessed one...

4,175 posted on 10/08/2003 9:56:02 AM PDT by null and void (The Whore of Babylon, drunk on the blood of Saints...)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
I think we will be witnessing many positive changes.

Me too.

The ship of state is massive, and may be too close to the shoals to turn in time, but by God, we are going to try!

4,176 posted on 10/08/2003 10:00:21 AM PDT by null and void
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To: kkindt
reality is that Davis was not given a chance to be one of those considered by the electorate. This is not fair.

He certainly was.

They could have voted NO on the recall question.

And why do you keep harping on the recall vote being 51/49? It was not. He was rejected by a huge margin and not your plucked-out-of-thin-air ratio.

4,177 posted on 10/08/2003 10:24:31 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: rightbanker

Schwarzenegger's Vote Total Beats Davis' 2002 Total; Democrats' Balloon Fizzles Out
California Secretary of State, USA Today ^ | 10/08/2003 | stayout

Posted on 10/08/2003 9:25 AM PDT by stayout

2003 Arnold vote total: 3,601,797

2002 Gray Davis votes: 3,533,490


4,178 posted on 10/08/2003 10:47:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
Davis vows to 'fight like a Bengal tiger'


4,179 posted on 10/08/2003 11:35:57 AM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: null and void
I agree regarding her demon nature but not your evaluation of her methods. I see her firmly ensconsed in the White House with a sock puppet for a POTUS. The press will follow her every word and she will be President-in-deed if not fact. See how they faun over her as a JUNIOR Senator!

As gullible as we CAN be, we aren't ready for the title of "dictator for life." However, when she has a few more election cycles to dumb down election fraud... anything can happen.

I think she will stretch the limits of her legitimacy and THEN do what she must.
4,180 posted on 10/08/2003 11:52:41 AM PDT by pgyanke (God doesn't compromise... and He didn't call us to either!)
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To: ArmstedFragg
yes..right across from Centerpoint mall.
4,181 posted on 10/08/2003 12:16:27 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty ("Oh people, this is freedom! "...Liberated Iraqi man, 09 APR 2003)
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To: pgyanke
Vince Foster may disagree with your assesment.

BTW, she'll never say she's Dictator President for Life, it will just sorta happen.

The election where the Republican (or more likely the Democrat) convention gets suicide bombed will 'temporarily' suspend elections, just until the Vast Right Wing Terrorist Network can be eliminated...

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help seeing what I see.

You said:

I think she will stretch the limits of her legitimacy and THEN do what she must.

I believe:

She will stretch the limits of her patience and THEN do what she thinks she can get away with.

We'll see, those of us that survive the purge (a set that won't include most FReepers)...

4,182 posted on 10/08/2003 12:38:59 PM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Interesting conversation...

[removes hat with "Reynolds" emblem...]
4,183 posted on 10/08/2003 12:47:56 PM PDT by pgyanke (God doesn't compromise... and He didn't call us to either!)
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To: pgyanke
[removes hat with "Reynolds" emblem...]

Does that mean the conversation is over? ;^P

4,184 posted on 10/08/2003 12:55:37 PM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
I figured I should do SOME work today to earn my keep...

;-)
4,185 posted on 10/08/2003 1:00:52 PM PDT by pgyanke (May the road rise up to meet you... and may you not be holding a useless rip cord when it does...)
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To: Sabertooth

4,186 posted on 10/08/2003 4:06:49 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Eaker
ROFL !! Classic pic !
4,187 posted on 10/08/2003 5:16:39 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Mrs.Liberty
right across from Centerpoint mall.

They're about to have a very interesting campaign next year. The Fifth District Supervisor, John Flynn, is running against Oxnard's mayor and one of its councilmen, both candidates promoted by the Hispanic Old Boy's Network.

Meanwhile, a former Councilman (and fiscal conservative) is running for mayor against a guy who's willing to spend a small fortune to give city employees the day off on Cesar Chavez's birthday, but won't put a penny into adding a fire station on the east of the city to address a huge life-safety issue out there.

Should be an interesting battle to follow in the online Star.

4,188 posted on 10/08/2003 6:11:09 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: zip
ping
4,189 posted on 10/09/2003 12:51:52 AM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: hattend
BTW, now that the recall is over, why aren't more women coming forward?
4,190 posted on 10/09/2003 11:39:10 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: Checkers

4,191 posted on 10/09/2003 3:02:49 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Petronski
Armageddon Series !!!

I'll pass that on to my Cub friend.
4,192 posted on 10/09/2003 8:41:13 PM PDT by freemama
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To: cyncooper
What if he had received 49% of the vote saying NO to recall but Arnold had only received 34% of the vote. Arnold would be governor even though 49% of the people wanted Davis. Davis would not be governor in this scenario because the way the recall law is written he could not have his name on the ballot against Arnold. If Davis had had his name on the ballot along next to Arnolds as an option then it would have been a fair law.
4,193 posted on 10/13/2003 7:46:02 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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