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Prosecute Wilson? (Uhhh...YES!)
The Washington Times ^ | 7 Oct 03 | Greg Pierce

Posted on 10/07/2003 8:43:22 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:09:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A leading New York congressman is calling for an investigation into whether former U.S. diplomat Joseph C. Wilson IV violated CIA secrecy when he blew the lid off his role in a February 2002 mission to determine whether Iraq had sought uranium from Niger.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: josephwilson; leak; plamenameblamegame; uncivilservant; wilson
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Civil Servants swear an oath. There is almost no way Wilson could have done what he did in good faith to that oath. He needs cell time.
1 posted on 10/07/2003 8:43:23 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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2 posted on 10/07/2003 8:43:59 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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I am wondering if he blew the whistle on his wife to protect himself by putting the government on the defense. Sort of you can't get me cause I got you.
3 posted on 10/07/2003 8:44:44 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: .cnI redruM; Grampa Dave
But Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican, said Sunday that it's Mr. Wilson who needs to be investigated — and even prosecuted if he violated CIA secrecy.

The Washington Times takes Grampa's suggestion from 10-01-03.

4 posted on 10/07/2003 8:46:52 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
It's nice to see that Rep. King respects his elders.
5 posted on 10/07/2003 8:49:45 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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To: cajungirl
I'm still wondering if Plame was the Beeb's CIA source...
6 posted on 10/07/2003 8:50:27 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: .cnI redruM
The secrecy oath that should have been taken by Wilson before and after his trip to Niger is far beyond any oath that a common civil servant takes.

I posted a reply on 10/01 about this. Below is the link to that reply and my comments about the CIA secrecy oath:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/992865/posts?page=23#23

To: prognostigaator

Excellent questions.

I have another one.

Did he sign the usual secrecy forms one normally signs with the farm before and after they do a trip like this?

Those forms are very specific about not disclosing:

Where you went?
Who you saw?
What you discussed.

I wonder if Wilson killed any of our agents in Niger with his loose lips?

Then did the loose lips of the lunatic lefty mediots kill anyone?

Wilson and his buddies in bed with him are far more dangerous to our sources than anyone else on this planet.


23 posted on 10/01/2003 7:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)

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7 posted on 10/07/2003 8:51:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: .cnI redruM
What exactly is so secretive about the operation now? The lid had already been blown off when it was discovered that the documents indicating that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger were complete forgeries. How can you say Wilson is in violation of any oath of secrecy?
8 posted on 10/07/2003 8:52:01 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
He reports for the CIA, not the New York Times.
9 posted on 10/07/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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To: .cnI redruM; piasa; BOBTHENAILER; MizSterious; MJY1288; Dog; Miss Marple
Not only is Wilson probably guilty of violating the standard secrecy oath of the CIA on and after his trip to Niger, Plame's boss, Alan Foley is probably the bastard who set this entire fiasco up.

Here is what the mediots have hidden from America. The CIA boss of Plame has just recently retired/resigned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/995426/posts?q=1&&page=44

AUGUST 29, 2003 : (ALAN FOLEY, HEAD OF THE WEAPONS INTELLIGENCE, NONPROLIFERATION, AND ARMS CONTROL CENTER ANNOUNCES HIS PLANS TO LEAVE THE CIA) A top CIA expert on weapons of mass destruction, who became embroiled in controversy over whether the White House stretched evidence about Iraq's programs, said he planned to leave the agency in October. Alan Foley, who heads the Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Center, told colleagues in a note dated Aug. 29 that he had been "thinking about life after the agency for some time" and decided to leave after 26 years to enter the private sector. ...While I can't prevent the inevitable speculation that will be generated by the timing of my decision, I want you to know that this is something that I decided entirely on my own," Foley said in the note, obtained by Reuters on Wednesday. "I can't deny that the pressures of the past few months have not weighed heavily in my mind, but there are many other aspects to my decision, not the least of which is that I'm intrigued by the prospect of trying my hand at a second career in the private sector," he said. - "Head of CIA Weapons Analysis Program Leaving," Reuters , 09-10-03
* Remember Joseph Wilson......this is his wife Valerie Plame's boss.2 posted on 09/10/2003 5:39 PM PDT by Dog
* Isn't it fascinating that we would have a new poster today talking about intelligence blunders and such? On the same day that Mr. Foley's resignation is made known. Quite a coincidence, isn't it?10 posted on 09/10/2003 6:21 PM PDT by Miss Marple
* Thanks for the ping, I believe Foley want's out before any investigation gets underway about Joseph Wilson & his wife's involvement in this whole Niger smear attempt 14 posted on 09/10/2003 6:35 PM PDT by MJY1288











Here is a possible scenario of this mess. Foley, Plame and Wilson with the help of the Clintoons and ?, cooked up this non event trip to Niger for Wilson.

Tenet was not aware of it as he had more serious things to keep track of. Tenet saw the report when Wilson got back and basically said it had little value.

The Rats kept this report on their back burner until they released their Yellowcake Scam I in July. That failed thanks to the internet with the exact 16 words that GW used in his SOTU address.

So they put it back on the back burner and started Yellowcake II which is the non exposure of Plame, a very good friend of $inator Hildebea$t. They blogged this non exposure story until they needed it.

They needed it to distract from Kay's report and the fact that the muslim traitors in Gitmo had connections to American Muslims who had donated money to the Hildebea$t which helped her to become $inator Hildebea$t.

So they and their bed butt buddies, the mediots and videoits went whacko for the first time in their lives that there had been exposure of a really secret CIA agent.

Now we know that she was not an agent, and it was no secret around the DC area that she worked for the CIA.

I think that Alan Foley, the newly retiring/resigning boss of Plame is a very guilt person in this whole mess. He and Wilson planned Wilson's trip as a trip wire to harm GW at some later time.

Many of us feel that the two CIA agents in the BBC lies about Yellowcake were Wilson and Plame.


Posted on 10/07/2003 8:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
10 posted on 10/07/2003 8:54:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Fudge-factor leaker and/or the dimest bulb in the company's drawer?

or DNC plants in both?
or were they themselves manipulated by the stolen unaccounted-for FBI files?

SO MANY POSSIBILITIES just on the short list.

11 posted on 10/07/2003 8:55:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Grampa Dave
We've crossed the River Ebro when it comes to government partisanship, and that will could have terrible consequences for the ability of The US Civil Service. If you think beaurocrats stink now, just wait until they are having departmental infights over which party which bean-counter votes for. This is a terrible precedent to have CIA agents so blatantly turning their jobs into platforms to help their favored party reach office.
12 posted on 10/07/2003 9:09:42 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I have said that Foley is the leaker since day one, Foley is exactly Novak would have gone to to find out why the CIA sent that flunkie Joe Wilson to Niger. Common sense would tell anyone that Novak would not have contacted the white house for why Wilson was sent to Niger.

The State Department is involved in this smear as well, Greg Theilman comes to mind

13 posted on 10/07/2003 9:14:19 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: Grampa Dave
It is unbelievable that Foley's retirement/resignation has been overlooked by the press.
14 posted on 10/07/2003 9:19:00 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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15 posted on 10/07/2003 9:24:12 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: sheltonmac
>> What exactly is so secretive about the operation now? The lid had already been blown off when it was discovered that the documents indicating that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger were complete forgeries. How can you say Wilson is in violation of any oath of secrecy? <<

You are attempting to perpetuate the myth that the forged documents were the only evidence being investigated. Vice President Cheney's inquiries about Niger, the purported reason for the mission, started prior to the forged documents surfacing. The British contend their source is not the forged documents. The mission was secret or not. One potential element becoming public does not unbind anyone who is legally held silent.
16 posted on 10/07/2003 9:24:17 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: .cnI redruM
This is absolutely the first rational thing I have seen expressed on the entire issue.

It is about time some in the GOP got enough in the way of "guts" to do something credible about the whole subject.

Clinton's group made the intelligence community a sieve through which anything passed back and forth and no note was even taken or breathed against that.

Here we have a "lesion" on the system stirring up a questionable (partisan motivated) issue with such success via the equally partisan media that it can damage the intelligence community farther than the "outing" of any one of it's employees possibly could, yet absolutely no entity has thought to hold the perpetrator to account for his action in the whole.

Now many of those who care will be able to see who, in political and media circles, will stand up to be enumerated among those with integrity and fortitude.
17 posted on 10/07/2003 9:28:43 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: CMAC51
Wilson by his own admission met with the people in Niger who could have created the forged document. He met with both current and former Niger government officals, who he could have instructed to create the obviously phony document, which would surface at just the right moment to embarass the President.
18 posted on 10/07/2003 10:03:23 AM PDT by Pres Raygun
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To: mewzilla
I'm still wondering if Plame was the Beeb's CIA source...

After your post the other day, that idea has gone to the front of my mind. If thats the case, they both deserve to be prosecuted..

19 posted on 10/07/2003 10:05:25 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: .cnI redruM; Grampa Dave
Joseph C. Wilson wrote this in his New York Times piece outing himsef as the former ambassador who went to Niger:

"After consulting with the State Department's African Affairs Bureau (and through it with Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, the United States ambassador to Niger), I agreed to make the trip. The mission I undertook was discreet but by no means secret. While the C.I.A. paid my expenses (my time was offered pro bono), I made it abundantly clear to everyone I met that I was acting on behalf of the United States government."

By his own admission, Wilson has not been discreet about this mission from the very beginning. One wonders what on earth he expected people to tell him in Niger when he apparently was blabbing about his mission to everyone he met.

Sort of reminds me of Connie Chung's interview of Newt Gingrich's mom. There they are speaking on national TV, and Chung says, "Come on, you can tell me. It's just between you and me."

20 posted on 10/07/2003 10:17:21 AM PDT by Wolfstar (NO SECURITY = NO ECONOMY)
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To: Steve_Seattle; BOBTHENAILER; piasa
This whole Yellowcake Scam II has been well coordinated by the mediots.

They ignore the resignation/firing of Foley.

When, they write an article about their great Wilson, they all ways include his position in Iraq before $oddomite invaded Kuwait as a Bush I appointee.

Then, they ignore that Wilson was Bubba's ambassador to Africa and on his National in/Security Council in Bubba's second term. Have you seen much about Wilson being the main planner and coordinator for the Clintoons very expensive/gala trip to Africa?

Yellowcake I and Yellowcake II have been well planned and coordinated by the rats. Yellowcake II went on their back burners to be blogged and whipped in readiness when needed. They released it to hide Kay's report and the data about the Islamonazi traitors in Gitmo having connections to American Muslim organizations which have contributed to the Hildebea$t and other rat politicians in America. It was probably time to help Weaselely Clark in his time travel campaign to be the top Rat in 2004.
21 posted on 10/07/2003 10:17:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: Wolfstar
This whole thing has been a farce since it was set up.

I would love to be an invisible man when Foley, Plame's former boss is grilled about Wilson's trip and how it came about.

Was it a secret trip or was it a planned tripwire to embarass our President witn another attempt to electronically lynch GW with lies, spins and half truths by the Rats and their mediot buddies?
22 posted on 10/07/2003 10:21:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: sheltonmac
What exactly is so secretive about the operation now? The lid had already been blown off when it was discovered that the documents indicating that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger were complete forgeries. How can you say Wilson is in violation of any oath of secrecy?

Methods and sources, confirmation of floated info; Unless specifically authorized by competent authorities, he cannot reveal classified information on his own whim, even if it is already in the public sector.

23 posted on 10/07/2003 10:21:53 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: .cnI redruM
Unfortunately these turf battles in State and the CIA have been going on for at least 4 complete decades and maybe since the end of WWII and when the Farm was created.
24 posted on 10/07/2003 10:23:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: MJY1288
You have been ahead of the curve on most of Yellowcake I and now Yellowcake II.

I didn't know who was Plame's boss, Foley, until I saw your comments.

A lot of people are starting to wake up that this fiasco was probably set up and abetted by Foley with Wilson and Plame up to their butts in this mess.

Like you, I feel that rats in state had a dirty hand in this phoney crisis.
25 posted on 10/07/2003 10:30:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Civil Servants swear an oath. There is almost no way Wilson could have done what he did in good faith to that oath. He needs cell time.

It would be enough for me to see him frog-marched in handcuffs out from beneath that rock he lives under!

26 posted on 10/07/2003 10:32:57 AM PDT by night reader
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To: night reader
Definitely a frog-marching is required.
27 posted on 10/07/2003 10:36:57 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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Oh, bring on the frog-marching! I think Mr. Wilson should receive lots of attention. I have followed both Grampa Dave 's and MJY1288's posts on this subject, and they are spot on!

If I had Mr. Wilson's address, I would send him a card with a frog on it.

28 posted on 10/07/2003 10:48:28 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I'm quite sure Mr. chIRAQ already has.
29 posted on 10/07/2003 10:49:57 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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To: Miss Marple
MM posted, "If I had Mr. Wilson's address, I would send him a card with a frog on it."

Just send the card to the NY Slimes, Washington Compost, Chucky Schumer, Ted Kennedy, McAwful or to the DNC dirty tricks dept.

They are in constant contact with Wilson before he is charged with violation of several laws.
30 posted on 10/07/2003 10:51:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: .cnI redruM
chIraq and Soros probably financed Wilson's trip and mint tea sessions in Niger.
31 posted on 10/07/2003 10:52:10 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: Grampa Dave
We need a Grand Unified Theory of Rat creeps! Soros is up to no good, I am sure. Where is he now, do you know?
32 posted on 10/07/2003 10:54:38 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Soros left Russia probably before he was shot.

I have no ideal where he is. I'm sure that today he is short selling to prevent the Dow from going over 9600.

Soros the big rat supporter who want Regime change in America re GW.
33 posted on 10/07/2003 10:59:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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And pretty well coordinated. Notice that Foley didn;t hit the wires till 9/10, garnering actual news coverage on 9/11 so no one would be looking.

Pretty odd, considering he announced it on Aug 29.

34 posted on 10/07/2003 11:00:35 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1; BOBTHENAILER; Miss Marple; piasa
You post below shows the incredible control/coordination of spiking and containing real news of Yellow Cake II. This whole mess was about as coordinated as D Day by the mediots and videoits.

"And pretty well coordinated. Notice that Foley didn;t hit the wires till 9/10, garnering actual news coverage on 9/11 so no one would be looking.

"Pretty odd, considering he announced it on Aug 29.


35 posted on 10/07/2003 11:07:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: af_vet_1981
...he cannot reveal classified information on his own whim, even if it is already in the public sector.

I guess I just don't see the logic in condemning him for revealing something that is already common knowledge.

36 posted on 10/07/2003 11:07:47 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: Grampa Dave
Exceptionally well coordinated.

I am late to this discussion, so i will also point out that Wilsons OpEd hit the NYSlimes the Day Bush Left for Africa.


So....

No Positive Headlines for Bush, AND
He is out of the country so defense is hampered.
37 posted on 10/07/2003 11:12:34 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1; Timesink; Miss Marple; BOBTHENAILER; MizSterious; piasa; Dog; okie01
Thanks for this reminder:

I am late to this discussion, so i will also point out that Wilsons OpEd hit the NYSlimes the Day Bush Left for Africa.

Again the entire timing of this non story and the spiking of real news is no coincidence.

38 posted on 10/07/2003 11:16:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: MJY1288
"The State Department is involved in this smear as well, Greg Theilman comes to mind"

Mr. Walter Pincus, Washington Post, co-authored an article on the leak very early. His wife was appointed to a high-level position in the State Department during the Clinton administration. Mrs. Pincus is also a good friend of Hillary Clinton's and she and Walter were frequent guests of the Clintons at Camp David. I don't know if she is currently a State Department employee. Valeria Plame was also a friend of Hillary Clinton.
The dots are starting to connect.
39 posted on 10/07/2003 11:22:25 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: piasa; Grampa Dave; seamole; mrustow; Sabertooth; Miss Marple; Reb Raider; MizSterious; Endeavor; ..

This is the Plame Name Blame Game ping list.
Freepmail me to be added or dropped.
You may also find all posts to this ping list by searching on keyword PLAMENAMEBLAMEGAME.

Note this is a HIGH-VOLUME ping list!
Please ping me to any Plame/Wilson threads!
There is no way I can catch them all myself!!


40 posted on 10/07/2003 11:45:39 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Ben Hecks
Ben can you please provide the link re: Valeria Plame was also a friend of Hillary Clinton.

I have had several freepers ask me, and I can't find the link.

Thanks
Dave
41 posted on 10/07/2003 11:48:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: seamole; Miss Marple; BOBTHENAILER; piasa; hobbes1; Dog; mewzilla
I think that you may have just nailed down what happened with this comment:

Perhaps CIA has already investigated, internally, leaks attributed to CIA sources? If so, this would have been done in the July 14 - September 28 period, precisely when Foley "resigned".

After all hell broke loose on Yellowcake I release, Tenent was probably challenged re what the hell went on.

Tenent probably knew nothing about Wilson's trip until he read about it in the NY Slimes.

A little investigation showed that the trip had been approved by Foley and kept secret until when the libs wanted to use it.

When confronted with the timeline and other data re the investigation Foley resigned/retired in August. The mediots kept a big lid on the resignation/retirement of their boy Foley.

45 posted on 10/07/2003 12:01:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
My bet is that a investigation would fnd that the Wilsons are REALLY more like the Rosenbergs......spies and traitors!!!

WHO....WHO sent Rosenberg-Wilson to Niger ....WHO approved that???

46 posted on 10/07/2003 12:16:44 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: cajungirl
I am wondering if he blew the whistle on his wife to protect himself by putting the government on the defense. Sort of you can't get me cause I got you.

It's what I would do if I were in his position and thought the Justice Department was breathing down my neck. Turn it into a political foodfight and then claim that lawful prosecution is a politically motivated abuse of process.

Are you and I the only ones here who thought of this?

47 posted on 10/07/2003 12:23:14 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: Grampa Dave
What I find amazing is no one is asking why Wilson's wife could be a cia operative,and living with him in any country that he was a diplomat in,and there be no scrutiny as to her ability to snoop for the cia with her spousal access to areas in each country that the average person could not have. This sounds like a diplomatic nightmare.
48 posted on 10/07/2003 12:25:43 PM PDT by samantha (Don't panic, the adults are in charge)
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To: Ann Archy
WHO....WHO sent Rosenberg-Wilson to Niger ....WHO approved that???

The question of the day. Probably either Foley, with the connivance of the Wilsonbergs, or the Wilsonbergs themselves.

Either way, the approver of the journey is key, as they would be part of the plot to discredit.

This thing is beginning to smell more every day.

49 posted on 10/07/2003 12:36:16 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: samantha
She is his third wife (I believe). They got married if I'm not mistaken when he was Bubba's Ambassador to Africa. How does one become an ambassador to a continent? Ask Bubba.

Probably the only time they left the USA together was on Bubba's Africa Trip that was organized and lined up by Wilson. If she went. If she went and she was a true CIA operative, did she violate going to any country of potential danger for her if kidnapped? If so, she violated a severe safety precaution of the intel community.

50 posted on 10/07/2003 12:59:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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