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Bear Expert and Companion Killed in Bear Attack at Alaska Park ( New View on Old Story )
AP, via TBO.com ^ | Oct 7, 2003 | By Rachel D'oro

Posted on 10/07/2003 7:48:09 PM PDT by greydog

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - A self-taught bear expert who once called Alaska's brown bears harmless was one of two people fatally mauled in a bear attack in the Katmai National Park and Preserve.

The bodies of Timothy Treadwell, 46, and Amie Huguenard, 37, both of Malibu, Calif., were found Monday at their campsite when a pilot arrived who was supposed to take them to Kodiak, state troopers said Tuesday.

Treadwell, co-author of "Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska," spent more than a dozen summers living alone with and videotaping Katmai bears. Information on Huguenard was not immediately available.

The Andrew Airways pilot contacted troopers in Kodiak and the National Park Service after he saw a brown bear, possibly on top of a body, at the camp near Kaflia Bay.

Park rangers encountered a large, aggressive male brown bear within minutes of arriving. Ranger Joel Ellis said two officers stood by with shotguns as he fired 11 times with a semi-automatic handgun before the animal fell, 12 feet away.

"That was cutting it thin," said Ellis, the lead investigator. "I didn't take the time to count how many times it was hit."

The victims' remains and camping equipment were flown Monday to Kodiak. Ellis said investigators hope to glean some information from video and still cameras.

As the plane was being loaded, another aggressive bear approached and was killed by rangers and troopers. The bear was younger, possibly a 3-year-old, according to Bruce Bartley of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

The victims' bodies were flown to the state medical examiner's office for autopsy.

Dean Andrew, owner of Andrew Airways, said the pilot was too upset to comment. The company had been flying Treadwell to Katmai for 13 years and Huguenard for the last couple of years. Andrew said Treadwell was an experienced outdoorsman.

Treadwell was known for his confidence around bears. He often touched them, and gave them names. Once he was filmed crawling along the ground singing as he approached a sow and two cubs.

Over the years, Park Service officials, biologists and others expressed concern about his safety and the message he was sending.

"At best he's misguided," Deb Liggett, superintendent at Katmai, told the Anchorage Daily News in 2001. "At worst he's dangerous. If Timothy models unsafe behavior, that ultimately puts bears and other visitors at risk."

That same year Treadwell was a guest on the "Late Show with David Letterman," describing Alaska brown bears as mostly harmless "party animals."

In his book, Treadwell said he decided to devote himself to saving grizzlies after a drug overdose, followed by several close calls with brown bears in early trips to Alaska. He said those experiences inspired him to give up drugs, study bears and establish a nonprofit bear-appreciation group, called Grizzly People.

Grizzly and brown bears are the same species, but "brown" is used to describe bears in coastal areas and "grizzly" for bears in the interior.

The deaths were the first known bear killings in the 4.7-million-acre park on the Alaska Peninsula.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: afaileddrdoolittle; bears; partay; timothytreadwell; wildlife
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two officers stood by with shotguns as he fired 11 times with a semi-automatic handgun before the animal fell, 12 feet away.

A scatter-gun and pea-shooter against a bear?

"I didn't take the time to count how many times it was hit."

Gun Control?

The victims' bodies were flown to the state medical examiner's office for autopsy.

Conclusion = Bear Snack

Once he was filmed crawling along the ground singing as he approached a sow and two cubs.

This is getting worse by the second.

In his book, Treadwell said he decided to devote himself to saving grizzlies after a drug overdose

There you go, I knew something was up here

1 posted on 10/07/2003 7:48:09 PM PDT by greydog
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2 posted on 10/07/2003 7:49:40 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: greydog
A self-taught bear expert who once called Alaska's brown bears harmless was one of two people fatally mauled in a bear attack

In other news, a self-taught shark expert was seen swimming with seals and bleeding fish.

3 posted on 10/07/2003 7:52:40 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: greydog
"Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska"

Ironic, that.

4 posted on 10/07/2003 7:52:43 PM PDT by niteowl77 (If you haven't prayed for our troops, please start; if you stopped, then do some catching up.)
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To: greydog
Fry brain, Darwin Award winner.
5 posted on 10/07/2003 7:52:44 PM PDT by visualops (psst...psst...hey kid...ya want a tagline? .......c'mon... they're yummy....)
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To: Support Free Republic

Dramatic reenactment

6 posted on 10/07/2003 7:54:29 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Proud Hispanic, African-American, Gay Muslim since 2003)
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To: greydog
That same year Treadwell was a guest on the "Late Show with David Letterman," describing Alaska brown bears as mostly harmless "party animals."


Yeah..and they found some "party favors". You gotta love these dorks.
7 posted on 10/07/2003 7:55:40 PM PDT by outpost44
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To: greydog
My doctor said he and a friend were receiving the required Ranger briefing before going backpacking in Yellowstone. The Ranger began to tell tham about how to protect themselves from Bears. They said they weren't afraid because they had a 45 caliber handgun. The Ranger asked to see their handgun. They asked why. He said "I want file off the sight" "Why" they asked. He replied "So it doesn't hurt when the bear jams the gun up you behind"
8 posted on 10/07/2003 7:59:02 PM PDT by Charliehorse
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To: greydog
In his book, Treadwell said he decided to devote himself to saving grizzlies after a drug overdose,

Yes --- I think we know why he came up with the idea that wild bears are just some kind of party animals.

9 posted on 10/07/2003 7:59:15 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: greydog
I'm a handgun hunting enthusiest and I carry big bore handguns, but for big dangerous game, I use a 45-70 big bore levergun.
10 posted on 10/07/2003 8:00:17 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: greydog
The guy's web page.
12 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: greydog
Slugs in a scattergun are mighty good ammo against most any living thing at short range. But why the two guys with shotguns just stood there while a 1000 lb bear charged their friend...
13 posted on 10/07/2003 8:06:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: greydog
Well...mostly harmless.
14 posted on 10/07/2003 8:09:58 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: greydog
A self-taught bear expert who once called Alaska's brown bears harmless...

Awww. He must've been a consultant for this movie.

15 posted on 10/07/2003 8:10:12 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: dagnabbit
LOL!!
16 posted on 10/07/2003 8:10:25 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Charliehorse
Actually a 22 cal or 25 cal is best for bears. You can concel it from the rest of your group and pull it out if the bear charges. You then shoot the person right next to you right behind the knee and then run like hell. The bear will normally eat the slowest person in the group.
17 posted on 10/07/2003 8:10:28 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: greydog
Sometimes the bear comes up behind and overwhelms, say, a fisherman, and the .454 Casull never makes it out of the holster. Another time two hunters were found killed, surrounded by spent .45 casings, no bear in sight.
18 posted on 10/07/2003 8:10:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: greydog
Why, oh why, must they always resort to violence? Couldn't they just have reasoned with the animal? Why can't we all just get along? Bears are intellegent and can be reasoned with. Kumbyah, my friends, kumbyah.

But, they brought upon themselves. They did not respect the bear just as humans have not respected bears in the past. This is the logical outcome. The deaths of these two fine people and this excellent bear are on the heads of the Republicans and Bush. Kumbyah, my friends, kumbyah.

19 posted on 10/07/2003 8:11:35 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: Blood of Tyrants
But why the two guys with shotguns just stood there while a 1000 lb bear charged their friend...

I bet the guy with the pistol may be re-evaluating their friendship!

20 posted on 10/07/2003 8:11:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (South-south-west, south, south-east, east....)
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To: dagnabbit
Re your pic--

Delightfully tasteless! ROFL.
21 posted on 10/07/2003 8:12:33 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (South-south-west, south, south-east, east....)
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To: Charliehorse
. They said they weren't afraid because they had a 45 caliber handgun.

Since when are firearms legal in a national park? Color me sceptical about this story.

22 posted on 10/07/2003 8:14:12 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: greydog
That same year Treadwell was a guest on the "Late Show with David Letterman," describing Alaska brown bears as mostly harmless "party animals."

Dummy..... they are also one of the largest carnivores on the North American continent.

Ooops.... I forgot they were from Malibu.


23 posted on 10/07/2003 8:15:54 PM PDT by Duramaximus (Tom McClintock - Unlike Arnold, Tom Really Is A Conservative!)
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To: umgud
The ranger had a semiauto and shot 11 times. I was thinking Desert Eagle, maybe 50 cal. But it doesn't hold that many rounds. Tell me this outdoor professional didn't use a 9mm or 45 cal.
24 posted on 10/07/2003 8:20:27 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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I really resent you people making fun of this great naturalist who sought nothing more than friendship and acceptance from his furry friends. I to have spent many years in the wild, without fire, without firearms, with out cold beer. I to am fixing to publish a book on my experiences by the name of "Living With Wild Chipmunks" or "Alvin and His Little Buddies". I just pray if you ever read of me being mauled by a renegade chipmunk, that you will not make lite of my misfortune.
25 posted on 10/07/2003 8:21:33 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: outpost44; Shermy; ambrose; Sabertooth; Catspaw; Dog; okie01; Utah Girl; swarthyguy; aculeus; ...
Can't these Malibu Hippies get anything right?

This was Tiger Attack Week!

Now they have totally messed up Bear Attack Week, which wasn't until Nov. 15th. But never mind. The week is still young. Let's go out there and set a record that those Indians and Bangladeshi's will never equal!

Shermy? Turk? swarthyguy? I need volunteers here, folks, and remember the rules ... no rubbing yourself with hamburger....

26 posted on 10/07/2003 8:23:21 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: greydog
A self-taught bear expert

That's like being "A self-taught bomb expert".

27 posted on 10/07/2003 8:24:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: greydog
12 gauge with slugs
Glock 20 with hard cast hot 10mm
wouldnt be the worst choice
There are others much better
28 posted on 10/07/2003 8:24:47 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: hermit of God
When I moved up here I bought a .44 magnum pistol for bear protection in the woods. I am now in the market for a pump shotgun the more I hear of the speed with which bears move. OTOH this "sensitive" caring type fool got himself, his girlfriend and two bears killed for his insane notion. The more I see the more I realize that liberalism and all of its hydra manifestations is a mental disorder.

29 posted on 10/07/2003 8:26:53 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: martin_fierro
Watch your mouth!!!!!!
30 posted on 10/07/2003 8:26:57 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: wheelgunguru
I've hunted black bear, boar, deer and elk with my .454 Casull (SRH). I'm going to Alaska next June and I'll take it and a 45-70. Also, any cartridge for big bears needs to provide penetraion. This guy may have been using hollow points and probably was a 9mm or 45 acp. I'd think someone in this area would at least carry a .41 or .44 mag.
31 posted on 10/07/2003 8:28:17 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Can't these Malibu Hippies get anything right?

In the recall election they thought Davis was running against George Bush. They don't get it.

32 posted on 10/07/2003 8:28:47 PM PDT by Shermy (Support Free Republic Anti-Pit Bull Threads)
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To: greydog
Expert",,,,,,,Gee, i love that kinda talk.
33 posted on 10/07/2003 8:30:08 PM PDT by Waco
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To: greydog
Any day now I expect to read Steve Irwin or Jeff Corwin of Animal Planet killed by alligator, snake, shark bite or something else along that line.
34 posted on 10/07/2003 8:33:41 PM PDT by mel
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To: strongbow
A combination of 12 guage slugs and a 44 mag pistol was used on the bear that attacked my daughters outing at Fort Richardson. I think they shot the young male at least six times which only SLOWED his attack. They had to shoot him a few more times to kill him. He had been seen at least 1/4 miles away the first time and was stalking them.
35 posted on 10/07/2003 8:34:51 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: umgud
I'd think someone in this area would at least carry a .41 or .44 mag.

That's what I would think, but my Gun Digest, 2000 doesn't list any semiauto pistols w/10 shot clip capacity in any caliber heavier than 45 auto.

36 posted on 10/07/2003 8:36:13 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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Bad LOL
38 posted on 10/07/2003 8:44:09 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5 % of the time.)
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To: greydog

WARNING! GRAPHIC IMAGE. CLICK ON LINK AT YOUR OWN RISK: Bear Snack

39 posted on 10/07/2003 8:45:42 PM PDT by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: VadeRetro
I just sent an E-mail to the guys website asking if bears were still considered to be party animals signed Concerned Naturalist. I will let you know if they reply.
40 posted on 10/07/2003 8:47:19 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I wonder what kind of handgun he was using. Maybe that new Smith and Wesson (?) .50 caliber job.

I would prefer an automatic shotgun with 00 buckshot myslef, or better yet, a .30-06 with the right slug and load. Or, one of those double barrelled Holland and Holland express rfiels the Brits made before the anti-gun/bloodsport nuts took over.
41 posted on 10/07/2003 8:50:36 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Alouette
At least the bear showed some class by not stealing the other guys tennis shoes.
42 posted on 10/07/2003 8:51:33 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: U S Army EOD
I just pray if you ever read of me being mauled by a renegade chipmunk, that you will not make lite of my misfortune.

I don't think you have much to worry about...but you might want to keep an eye on your nuts...

43 posted on 10/07/2003 8:53:30 PM PDT by in the Arena (James Albert Champion - MIA South Vietnam - 24 April 1971)
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To: strongbow
I think they can move about 30 mph. That's at least 10 miles per hour faster than me.
44 posted on 10/07/2003 8:53:34 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: U S Army EOD
A lot of people have been killed by adrenalin pumped up technically "dead" bears.
45 posted on 10/07/2003 8:55:01 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: in the Arena
YOU SHOULD HAVE WARNED ME SOONER!!!!! (said in very high voice)
46 posted on 10/07/2003 8:57:33 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: martin_fierro
A self-taught bear expert


I guess this will be the last chapter in his book...I think I'll give it a read...


;^)
47 posted on 10/07/2003 9:00:05 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: hermit of God
"... Some will use a .30-06 but that is usually considered to be on the light side."

.30-06 will cleanly take any game animal in North America.

... That said, yeah, I'll take the .700 Nitro Express double-barreled rifle venturing out in grizzley country, please.

48 posted on 10/07/2003 9:00:57 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: ZULU
Which is why you want to break their spines with a deep penetrating large caliber bullet. At least some type of 34 cal mag or higher. 00 buckshot would propably actually bounce off of a bear at over 40 yards.
49 posted on 10/07/2003 9:01:14 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: Pukin Dog
You'd think folks would have learned by now that when a grizzly eats you, you stay et!
50 posted on 10/07/2003 9:01:51 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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