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TOM MCCLINTOCK DAILY EDITION - 10/8/03 - GOING DARK!

Posted on 10/08/2003 7:10:21 AM PDT by Rabid Dog

As many of you know this has been a local, regional, national news and views thread. I want to thank all of you that have respected its intent. When I first started this thead, I was on the fence between Arnold and Tom. Within a week, it became clear that Tom was the man I could respect and support.

Within a month it became clear that the CA G.O.P. was not an organization I could respect and support and so I have switched parties and will be changing my screen name to Rabid Dog.

Tomorrow I am entering Freeper Detox and will be drying out for a week or so but am looking foward to discussing the changes in California under the leadership of our new governor - ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: mcclintock
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1 posted on 10/08/2003 7:10:21 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: starsandstrips; Salvation; jam137; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; heleny; HighRoadToChina; ...
Final Ping! We fought the good fight - now it is time to make things happen for Arnold (as long as he doesn't swing to the left).
2 posted on 10/08/2003 7:12:03 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: All

Let's keep the Dem's on the run!
Click the Pic!

3 posted on 10/08/2003 7:13:21 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Rabid Republican
SacBee
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/recall/story/7560182p-8501583c.html
Peter Schrag: Morning after -- It's time for California to sober up
By Peter Schrag

The great diversion is over. Now real decisions have to be made -- among them some of the most crucial that have faced any state.
4 posted on 10/08/2003 7:15:15 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
All of you fought your best for a cause you believed in.

Although I didn't agree, I admire that you didn't attack Schwarzenegger as you could have.

I hope that all of you and Arnold are able to work together to make California, the state of Reagan, great once again.

You have my warmest esteem and respect,

Your Fellow Freeper in PA,

RepublicanWizard
5 posted on 10/08/2003 7:16:24 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Rabid Republican
Ventura Star
McClintock claims victory in his defeat
http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/el_articles/article/0,1375,VCS_4116_2330582,00.html

SACRAMENTO -- Saying his campaign "framed the issues upon which this contest was decided," state Sen. Tom McClintock on Tuesday claimed victory even as he was conceding defeat to Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger.
6 posted on 10/08/2003 7:18:30 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
We just need to continue to fight for the right
cause. As always regardless of who gets elected.

Often we let our guard down when a Republican
wins rather than realizing regards who wins
the fight is always on.
7 posted on 10/08/2003 7:20:58 AM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: republicanwizard
Thanks! Hard to be too critical when it's the Terminator!
8 posted on 10/08/2003 7:21:42 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Princeliberty
I think Arnold is aware that there are many on the right that didn't get his full attention and hopefully some/many of his actions will keep us in mind.
9 posted on 10/08/2003 7:23:14 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
In that article you can see they are pushing
the idea that California problem is that taxes are
too low.
10 posted on 10/08/2003 7:25:47 AM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: Rabid Republican
You are correct about the Republicans. To bad for Tom but he has come out looking like the only bright one in the campaign, which he is. Are you joining the dog party? woof woof
11 posted on 10/08/2003 7:26:45 AM PDT by novacation
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To: novacation
Independent - I heard there are a lot of us on this forum!
12 posted on 10/08/2003 7:28:14 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
Here's a new screen name for you: "needfingerdownthroattovoteRepublican"
13 posted on 10/08/2003 7:33:00 AM PDT by Xthe17th (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeal17)
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To: Rabid Republican
i'm sure its easy to lay blame o the CA gop for abandoning Tom, yet from the prespective here in the east, with all the libs on the left coast he wouldn't have stood a snowballs chance in hell even if he had ARNOLDS endorsement. sacramento would have been gridlock till the next election and then all the blame would shift onto Tom. if arnold can't do it then we can still blame it on the dems!
14 posted on 10/08/2003 7:37:19 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Rabid Republican
I don't live in CA so it's not my business, but I would have loved to see McClintock in office. He sounds like the one to fix CA's economic problems and he certainly shares my values.

However I am ready to support the Governator now that he is in by such a large mandate. Arnold is a good man, and he will try his best to do a good job. He doesn't need the money or the fame, so he's not doing this for his own gain. Also we need to remember that this is CA, a different planet from the rest of the nation. If Arnold had straight conservative social policies as his platform, he'd be an outcast in LALA land, certainly in SF.

So we've got this Governator in office, with an R next to his name. I hope he is good for CA and for the Pubs in general. I am already enjoying the lamentations of the dems and nuts as their world teeters ever closer to the brink :)

15 posted on 10/08/2003 7:44:53 AM PDT by Sender
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To: Rabid Republican
I think Tom has garnered a lot of positive spin. If he runs against Barbara Boxer, I think he will have a good shot.
16 posted on 10/08/2003 7:45:31 AM PDT by Recourse
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To: Rabid Republican
Independent - I heard there are a lot of us on this forum!

Yes, you are right Rabid Republican. This has been a very emotional time for all of us who feel compromising is not a option. I pray for our state, and Arnold right now. My personal feelings are that we didn't really better ourselves, because now we have a REpublican(in name only) who will carry out the Democrat agenda. We are switching to Independent now ourselves.

17 posted on 10/08/2003 7:45:41 AM PDT by pollywog
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To: Rabid Republican
Tom? Tom who?
18 posted on 10/08/2003 7:48:17 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Rabid Republican
But in that case, didn't the California GOP do the right thing?

I think you would admit that Arnold ran an absolutely world-class campaign, from inspiring speeches to that slick web tool that tells you how to vote for Arnold.

I'd take a few days cooling off before you change your screen name :-). Let's give Arnold a few months to prove himself, for better or for worse, before joining the Dog Party, whatever that is.

If Sabertooth can unite behind Arnold, perhaps you can, too :-).

D
19 posted on 10/08/2003 7:49:47 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Rabid Republican
heyyyyyyyyyyyyy here...AREN'T ARNIE AND MCCLINTOCK ON THE SAME SIDE.....? come on now, we won....MCCLINTOCK WON TOO IN AWAY..HE STUCK TO HIS PRINCIPLES AND BROUGHT IN MANY VOTERS TO VOTE YES ON THE RECALL and STILL A REPUBLICAN WON...GREAT ELECTION...:-)
20 posted on 10/08/2003 7:55:44 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Rabid Republican
Ahnold's acceptance speech made me depressed. A high school kid could have been more inspiring. Looks like another useful idiot will run the state. Wilson, Buffet, and the other liberals will set policy. Glad to see the end of Davis, but McClintock is who this state needed.Fox news made McClintock out to be the one who brought respectability to the campaign.
21 posted on 10/08/2003 7:55:47 AM PDT by novacation
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To: Rabid Republican
The greatest state of the greatest country on earth


22 posted on 10/08/2003 7:57:13 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: daviddennis; Sabertooth
Arnold had a world class budget - I expect it will hit $20 to $22 million.

I'll support Arnold in his conservative endeavors. So I will unite behind him as long as he stays right.

Let's see if Sabertooth has anything to say.



23 posted on 10/08/2003 7:57:15 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
Hard to be too critical now that its the Terminator

You mean

THE GUBINATOR


24 posted on 10/08/2003 7:58:07 AM PDT by Publius Maximus
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To: Xthe17th
That isn't necessarily true - I just no longer want to be taken for granted. If the Republicans want my vote - they will have to earn it.
25 posted on 10/08/2003 7:58:33 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Sender
I know - I'm enjoying hearing their death throe agony this morning.
26 posted on 10/08/2003 8:00:05 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
You were magnificent.

I won't re-register, though. The Party's platform, and many of its office holders still stand for the principles that brought me into the GOP in the first place.

I intend to stay and fight for those principles for the time being. The CRP won't get my money, but it can't escape my vote and speech, especially on matters that affect party control, such as the election of central committee members.

Meantime, we can work in our capacity as free citizens ... as family members, members of churches and civic groups, associations like non-profits, and in many other ways to defend the family, school choice, colorblind policies, property rights, the sanctity of life, our heritage of Western Civilization and its religious roots and vitality, and so forth.

I wonder how the new Governor and the Bishop in Sacramento will get along? Perhaps the man of God can bring Arnold back to obedience to his faith. I am praying for that.

Keep Faith!

Richard F.
27 posted on 10/08/2003 8:01:36 AM PDT by rdf (co-chair of "yes on 209", GOP chair, Vta County CA, '92)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Ahnold is exactly way Rabid (dog) is leaving the Republican party. He (ahnold)is a flaming liberal and the Republicans abandoned the true Republican in the race.Did you see the crowd on stage?All liberal democrats. At a Republican victory? The Republicans have stirred too far left to win.

Connect the dots.

28 posted on 10/08/2003 8:01:43 AM PDT by novacation
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To: Recourse
We'll see. The California G.O.P. wants him to disappear - they didn't support him in his bid for controller, they didn't support him in his bid for Governor. They are probably talking to Kelsey Gramer/Fraiser as we speak. What a little drug history between friends?
29 posted on 10/08/2003 8:02:53 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
Kudos to Tom from over here on the right coast for running a strong, positive campaign! I certainly hope his ideas are remembered and implemented - that would certainly be a positive step for California.

Rabid, please reconsider giving up on the Republican party. I believe it would be a lot easier to steer it in the proper direction from inside rather than pushing on it from the outside.

Your Humble Servant...
30 posted on 10/08/2003 8:04:15 AM PDT by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: Rabid Republican
Thanks for all the hard work keeping the forum running. I pray we don't see a bunch of liberals joining Arnie's governorship as I fear.
31 posted on 10/08/2003 8:05:14 AM PDT by Howie
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To: Rabid Republican; daviddennis




It's political honeymoon time.


32 posted on 10/08/2003 8:05:33 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: rdf
The Republican party completely ignored their platform - which was voted in by the majority of its members. They have an unpublished agenda going.

If they redeem themselves, I will consider coming back into the "fold" but right now I don't want to be a "statistic" for them to use in their propaganda regarding the size of the party or in voting trends.

I'll have more impact from the outside than from the inside. They will want more more.
33 posted on 10/08/2003 8:06:28 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
I voted for McClintock and I am proud of my vote. It hope he will be able to run against Boxer in the future, but it already sounds like Bill Jones has the inside track.
34 posted on 10/08/2003 8:06:32 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Rabid Republican
Tom McClintock has a future with the Republican party. He might have lost this race, but he's gained national respect. You backed a winner.
35 posted on 10/08/2003 8:07:38 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Sabertooth
Smoking my cigarette as we speak!
36 posted on 10/08/2003 8:07:41 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
In a few weeks, it might be interesting to start a thread on who and what parties actually are.

I'm thinking of a serious, reflective discussion, not a flame war.

For now, let the dust settle, and pray for the best for our state.

Cheers,

Richard F.
37 posted on 10/08/2003 8:08:44 AM PDT by rdf (co-chair of "yes on 209", GOP chair, Vta County CA, '92)
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To: Rabid Republican
ROTFLMAO

rdf
38 posted on 10/08/2003 8:09:26 AM PDT by rdf (co-chair of "yes on 209", GOP chair, Vta County CA, '92)
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To: Rabid Republican
A little bitter, are we?
39 posted on 10/08/2003 8:09:39 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance.)
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To: Rabid Republican
One of the more's = Me!
40 posted on 10/08/2003 8:09:45 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Beyond.
41 posted on 10/08/2003 8:10:06 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: rdf
I'm curious myself - but you get to the pointman on that thread!!
42 posted on 10/08/2003 8:11:45 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
Well, I have an idea - how about staying in the party and working to get it back on track. All abandoning it will do is make it even worse.

Nothing in life is easy, man.
43 posted on 10/08/2003 8:11:59 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance.)
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To: Rabid Republican
Tomorrow I am entering Freeper Detox and will be drying out for a week or so but am looking foward to discussing the changes in California under the leadership of our new governor - ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!!

I hear ya. I'm actually excited about getting back to my personal life tonight, its been a while since this populism first grabbed me on Feb 18th. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/846240/posts and the Out Of State Know It Alls said it couldn't be done. (pay special attention to #9, call it foreshadowing...kinda creepy) It was fun seeing all the DNC interviewed on the networks...suffering. They overplayed hand, while Bush is not really involved at all. I hope for his sake he doesn't change that policy because things aren't going to get any better than yesterday here.

Within a month it became clear that the CA G.O.P. was not an organization I could respect and support and so I have switched parties and will be changing my screen name to Rabid Dog.

Well Dog... I can relate. If someone would have asked me what I consider myself during the war, or any time before, I probably would have used the terms "Rabid Republican" myself. But this election, with the perfect Conservative candidate being sold out, attacked, threatened, marginalized, and hated-----things certainly have changed. I'm a Conservative again, not a Republican. History is repeated itself here you know---many of the large number of Independents in CA are disaffected Republicans from the past 2 GOP Govs...On the bright side, it feels really good not having to rationalize for the laundry list of GOP hypocracies though! I'll sleep alittle easier at night not going to bat for those politicians.

Well, I'm not going to be mean to the (R)nold Groupies at this point, it serves no purpose now. I can't say though that I am any less certain of his abject failure, but that won't be for a long time, and I'll give him a shot. I know you don't like pictures in this thread, but I consider it relevant...


44 posted on 10/08/2003 8:13:35 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Treason doth never prosper, for if it does, none dare call it treason)
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To: Rabid Republican
"Decline to State"

Mrs. Wasp and I went from the polling place last November, directly across the street to the Post Office and changed our registration after voting for Simon.

When I found out that approximately 2.5 million Repubs didn't even vote and left Davis with us as Gumby the Governor, I really felt justified.

It's no wonder we get "Government by Whim," when both of the major Parties disregard common sense and constitutional constraints on government!!!

45 posted on 10/08/2003 8:14:33 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I prefer consistent "Considerate Conservatives," to "Compassionate Conservatives," everytime !!!)
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To: Rabid Republican
BARF ALERT!!!

Just kidding...lol

Kudos to your guy for running a classy campaign. Let's all hope he takes on "Baby Killer" Boxer next year.

46 posted on 10/08/2003 8:14:56 AM PDT by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
It's kind of like our public education system in California - it needs to go bust before it's going to get better.

The CA G.O.P. made some decisions and as in most decisions, there are consequences - fallout being one of them.

I'm sure the number of people leaving will be more than compensated by the number of "more moderate" people joining them.

I have lived and voted in California for the last 25 years and I have to say - I don't think they have done a good job. I want a divorce!
47 posted on 10/08/2003 8:16:58 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Sender
However I am ready to support the Governator now that he is in by such a large mandate.

I am a Californian, I voted for McClintock and I agree with you. The more public support a governor has, the less "special interest" support he needs. For those of us on the starboard side of the party, its time to move amidships. However that does not mean it won't hurt to throw an Arnold bed-wetter overboard once in a while. Keeps the panic down and helps set a true course when the wind is from port.

48 posted on 10/08/2003 8:19:56 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
What's really amusing about your post is that if Arnold does raise taxes, renege on the Driver License issue, etc. - you will be hard pressed to find anyone that will admit he that voted for him. Most will claim they voted for Tom. JimR. should run a poll about a year or so from now.
49 posted on 10/08/2003 8:20:04 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: montag813
What - no screaming color this time?

Thanks for your post!
50 posted on 10/08/2003 8:21:07 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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