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Pro-Lifers Celebrate Recall
californiaprolife.org ^ | Wed, 8 Oct 2003 | Brian Johnston, Executive Director of the California ProLife Council

Posted on 10/08/2003 6:32:17 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

ProLifers Celebrate Recall Statement of Brian Johnston, Executive Director of the California ProLife Council

Tom McClintcok put it well, "this is a great day for California." Gray Davis was the most ardently pro-abortion elected official to ever hold public office in the United States. The abortion lobby said so, and the facts bear that out. Even the egregiously radical Bill Clinton felt the need to mute his pro-abortion stance by calling for abortion to be 'safe, legal, and rare.' But Davis embraced all abortions at all times, going so far as to threaten the legislature to not even introduce a bill that would give any consideration to the legal rights of the child in the womb.

A sympathetic media covered-up some of the more outrageous aspects of Davis' pro-abortion administration. One of the most glaring examples being that Davis' key lieutenant, the individual credited with running his administration, was Susan Kennedy, his Cabinet Secretary. Because of media approbation of the administration, few people realized that prior to her appointment, Susan Kennedy was one of the principal players in the abortion lobby. She was the Director of the California Abortion Rights Action League (CARAL). Imagine if the director of the California ProLife Council had been appointed to a similar position in a Lungren or Simon administration; the media would have been unrelenting in their criticism. Would the ideology of that administration have been discussed?

Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.' But in supporting parental notification and opposing partial-birth abortions, he has taken a significant break from the monolithic abortion lobby. This has made him public enemy #1 at NOW and NARAL and CARAL. There are quite a few pro-life legislators that have rallied to Arnie's side. They are in a position to advise and influence him. He has said he wants that advice. He has appointed pro-lifers to his transition team. Perhaps most significantly, unlike the unpleasant tenor of the Wilson years, Arnie has said he doesn't want to create the internal Republican wars over abortion. He does not want to make war on the party platform. These are significant distinctions. Arnie's victory is a victory for those who want to move us away from the pro-abortion mentality ardently pursued during the previous six years.

One more observation: Several years ago a local Catholic priest, Msgr. Edward Kavanaugh, a sterling man and a pro-life leader, rebuked Davis for his unstinting pro-abortion position. Governor Davis made a point of not only dismissing the comments but then went out of his way to publicly embarrass and humiliate Msgr. Kavanaugh on a number of occasions. Last night the world watched Gray Davis being summarily removed from office. At that same moment Msgr. Kavanaugh was being publicly honored for his tireless work on behalf of defenseless orphans. Arco Arena exploded in cheers while at center court the Maloof brothers presented him with a check for $100,000. Pro-Lifers have thanked him many times, but it is nice to see him get rewarded in a more substantial manner.

And it's nice to see his pro-abortion nemesis get his reward. It was a great day for California.


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1 posted on 10/08/2003 6:32:18 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
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To: EternalVigilance
Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.' But in supporting parental notification and opposing partial-birth abortions, he has taken a significant break from the monolithic abortion lobby. This has made him public enemy #1 at NOW and NARAL and CARAL. There are quite a few pro-life legislators that have rallied to Arnie's side. They are in a position to advise and influence him. He has said he wants that advice. He has appointed pro-lifers to his transition team. Perhaps most significantly, unlike the unpleasant tenor of the Wilson years, Arnie has said he doesn't want to create the internal Republican wars over abortion. He does not want to make war on the party platform. These are significant distinctions. Arnie's victory is a victory for those who want to move us away from the pro-abortion mentality ardently pursued during the previous six years.

Looks like others are seeing that incremental victories can and do save some lives, and move us closer to saving far more.

2 posted on 10/08/2003 6:34:48 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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3 posted on 10/08/2003 6:35:22 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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4 posted on 10/08/2003 6:35:47 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: cpforlife.org
I guess now instead of ten toes in hell there are only nine toes.
5 posted on 10/08/2003 6:39:10 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Jim Robinson
Any thoughts Jim?
6 posted on 10/08/2003 6:39:46 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
Well, I hope that you are right about Arnold because as it stands now we have a Catholic heretic in the Governor's Mansion in Kalifornia. If he does move away from his "pro choice" stance I will be surprised. If the Nazis had put up a somewhat less anti-jewish Furer I don't think we would have cheered the outcome any more that we did Hitler's Germany. Murder continues to be the mode of operation in the USA. Eugenics is the culture that we have inherited from the "Captains of Industry" in the early 1900's. And it's not about to go away because it is all about money.
7 posted on 10/08/2003 6:46:49 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I wish you the best.
8 posted on 10/08/2003 6:47:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: cpforlife.org
Thank you for the post. I am glad that Arnold is right of Davis on the pro-life issue.
9 posted on 10/08/2003 6:48:58 PM PDT by IpaqMan
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To: cpforlife.org
Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.' But in supporting parental notification and opposing partial-birth abortions, he has taken a significant break from the monolithic abortion lobby. This has made him public enemy #1 at NOW and NARAL and CARAL. There are quite a few pro-life legislators that have rallied to Arnie's side. They are in a position to advise and influence him. He has said he wants that advice. He has appointed pro-lifers to his transition team. Perhaps most significantly, unlike the unpleasant tenor of the Wilson years, Arnie has said he doesn't want to create the internal Republican wars over abortion. He does not want to make war on the party platform. These are significant distinctions. Arnie's victory is a victory for those who want to move us away from the pro-abortion mentality ardently pursued during the previous six years.

Wonderful! I'm bookmarking this article for future reference. Thank you kindly.

10 posted on 10/08/2003 6:52:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The CA recall's biggest losers are the three musketeers: the RATS, the LAT, and the National Inquire)
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To: cpforlife.org; CheneyChick
A close relative lives around Santa Barbra. She has been a big factor in NOW for a LONG time out there. The day Arnold announced his run, I talked to her and jested about it, thinking at the time he wouldn't end up where he is. But she was adamant, militant about her dislike for him. She said she would rather have a "nutcase" like Tom McClintock in there, than to have Arnold, and it wasn't because of political experience, it was due to Arnold being firm and disliked by NOW and groups like them. She also ranted about how the whole recall was a payback by the GOP for the 2000 election :)
I think people are going to be surprised by Arnolds ability to govern.
11 posted on 10/08/2003 7:12:40 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: cpforlife.org
Thank you for posting this.
12 posted on 10/08/2003 7:13:29 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Diddle E. Squat
and move us closer to saving far more

Ah, come on. All or nothing! / sarcasm off.

13 posted on 10/08/2003 7:13:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Victoria Delsoul; *calgov2002; AuntB; jam137; GmbyMan; DoctorZIn; fooman; PeoplesRep_of_LA; ...
Nice!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

14 posted on 10/08/2003 7:15:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: Howlin
Ha!

Some people don't see the big picture and want the whole package.

Kinda hard to drive a car with three wheels in the ditch!
15 posted on 10/08/2003 7:15:44 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RichardMoore
Catholic heretic
Kalifornia
Nazis
anti-jewish
Furer
Murder
Eugenics

Congratulations, I think you got them all in there!
16 posted on 10/08/2003 7:17:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: IpaqMan; cpforlife.org; Diddle E. Squat; Ernest_at_the_Beach; RedBloodedAmerican; Howlin; ...
Several years ago a local Catholic priest, Msgr. Edward Kavanaugh...a pro-life leader.....rebuked Davis for his unstinting pro-abortion position. Governor Davis made a point of not only dismissing the comments but then went out of his way to publicly embarrass and humiliate Msgr. Kavanaugh on a number of occasions. ....At that same moment (Davis was being tossed out of office) Msgr. Kavanaugh was being publicly honored for his tireless work on behalf of defenseless orphans.

Let's start a letter-writing campaign entreating Gov-elect Arnold to appoint Msgr Kavanaugh to a very, very public position in his administration.

17 posted on 10/08/2003 7:28:36 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Three years ago then Mr., now President, Bush said he'd sign a PBA bill. At the time I viewed it as a RNC sop to keep us quite. After all! what could keep the USA from outlawing that practice – talk about diminished expectations! Shortly after that announcement Drier let the Hugh Hewitt talk show audience know it wasn't a front burner issue - not a murmur from HH.

Now three years later a PBA bill goes to the Senate.

Make a guess how hard the Republicans in the Senate will fight a threatened filibuster. If they fight as hard as they did for Estrada bye bye the PBA bill.

Hope I have to eat my complaint, but at this juncture I doubt it - hence the above complaint.

18 posted on 10/08/2003 7:32:37 PM PDT by Dahlseide (I am a single issue voter, I vote pro-life from dog-catcher to President)
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To: cpforlife.org
I opposed Arnold because he declared himself pro-choice. But you have to deal with the facts, namely that he is now, or soon will be, governor.

Notice that Californiaprolife.org and California Planned Parenthood both came out with statements today praising Arnold for favoring their causes. They can't both be right, but obviously each is hoping he will lean their way.

I'm inclined to hope that Arnold will take a moderate position on life issues and refrain from making statements that might split the party. It's certainly true that he's miles better than Davis on these issues. Davis was thinking up new pro-abort or pro-death issues almost every day. Arnold should be better than that.
19 posted on 10/08/2003 7:38:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RichardMoore; Howlin
Richard,

I did not write the article, I simply posted it.
20 posted on 10/08/2003 7:48:10 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
yessss
21 posted on 10/08/2003 7:51:28 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: Howlin
Is not a "pro-choice Catholic" by definition a heretic?

Kalifornia is just too weird for words even without Arnold.

National Socialism is what Nazi stands for and by definition it is the Government controlling private business. I think we don't have to look too hard to see that that is what has happened to our country. We have socialism working hand in hand with capitalism. And that was the Nazi plan. I don't think that Arnold even knows what is going on. Certainly he's not a Nazi. But he doesn't have to be. The system is already there.

The Eugenics movement in the USA preceeded Hitler's rise and admired his progress. With the likes of Oliver Wendell Holmes(Supreme Court) and Margaret Sanger(Planned parenthood) claiming that the Germans were ahead of us.

Abortion is murder of an innocent human being. Life begins at conception. That is a medical fact, not a religious opinion.

22 posted on 10/08/2003 7:51:37 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: cpforlife.org
Well, I'm sorry but I was responding to the article and that's the only way I know to do that.
23 posted on 10/08/2003 7:53:33 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: RichardMoore
...as it stands now we have a Catholic heretic in the Governor's Mansion in Kalifornia.

You are referring to Davis, aren't you. Didn't the Sacramento Bishop excommunicate him?

24 posted on 10/08/2003 7:54:52 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: cpforlife.org
Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.' But in supporting parental notification and opposing partial-birth abortions

As long as he is to the right of the current climate in CA abortion politics, that's great. I hope he can make changes in the public funding of abortions and preventive education.

Although McClintock said he was pro-life, he really only emphasized that he opposed partial-birth abortion. I suspect that it was because either that is the only type of abortion that could be made legal/illegal in the short term future or because he believes in incremental change, besides the fact that he concentrated on fiscal/economic issues. Also, the abortion lobby would probably go after him if he said anything else.

In words that I heard or news articles I saw on FR during the campaign, McClintock and Schwarzenegger did not say much different about specific aspects of abortion other than the general terms life/choice. Both of them are raising children, too, unlike Davis who never had or adopted any children.

25 posted on 10/08/2003 7:57:08 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping, Ernest. Good to see you again.
26 posted on 10/08/2003 7:58:44 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The CA recall's biggest losers are the three musketeers: the RATS, the LAT, and the National Inquire)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping, and I'm glad to see you on FR!
27 posted on 10/08/2003 7:59:16 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
In words that I heard or news articles I saw on FR during the campaign, McClintock and Schwarzenegger did not say much different about specific aspects of abortion other than the general terms life/choice. Both of them are raising children, too, unlike Davis who never had or adopted any children.

Indeed, the partial birth abortion is one thing that many share opposition to, and I must admit, it was really nice to read this article.

It is in steep contrast to the pro-life protesters who showed up to Arnold's rally in San Bernardino, displaying billboards of partial birth abortion, and the images of corpses, yelling at attendees that this was what we were voting for.

The people in line knew Arnold's stated stance, yet telling the protesters was useless. I heard comments, and have to agree, those protesters were no better than Iraq when it showed the corpses of our soldiers. No one should use the dead for political gain.
28 posted on 10/08/2003 8:02:22 PM PDT by kingu (More people in California yesterday voted for a Republican than voted to oust Davis.)
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To: kingu
Schwarzenegger drew supporters from all political persuasions, including moderate-liberal voters who are pro-choice. Many of them may never have thought about what happens during the gruesome process called partial-birth abortion. Most people accustomed to the liberal media's treatment of abortion -- that "choice" is good and that abortion is just another normal medical procedure.

If those graphic images changed the minds of any voters to oppose PBA, then the effort wasn't useless.

29 posted on 10/08/2003 8:10:21 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; snopercod; dalereed
Yea! Ernesto upon the Beach IS BACK!!!

I got so bored with you gone that I had to go listen to Phil Hendrie on KFI !!! ("more stimulating talk radio" - in LA)

Man-O-Man have you been mist!!! Nuthin's been goin on to talk about!!! (grin)

30 posted on 10/08/2003 8:13:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I prefer consistent "Considerate Conservatives," to "Compassionate Conservatives," everytime !!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Now who are you kidding!

This place was running white hot!

31 posted on 10/08/2003 8:21:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.' But in supporting parental notification and opposing partial-birth abortions, he has taken a significant break from the monolithic abortion lobby.

A significant break. What a joke.

Aside from his oppositin to PBA, Arnold still supports 99.98% of all abortions carried out annually in the US. This isn't even an incremental victory.

32 posted on 10/08/2003 8:24:46 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"This place was running white hot!"

Have you forgotten to "Celebrate Diversity?" You can't only exclaim about "white" hot... You gotta be given equal credit to all the varieties of the hots!!!

I'ma gonna tell Jesse J. on yew!!!

33 posted on 10/08/2003 8:31:28 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I prefer consistent "Considerate Conservatives," to "Compassionate Conservatives," everytime !!!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Arnold Schwarznegger has self-identified as 'pro-choice.'

CP, you are normally so solidly pro-life that I am stunned and disappointed that you would post such spin. I am generally not a purist on my political support but I do insist that they be on the right side. Do you really believe that someone who admits to not just to being "pro-choice" but specifically "pro-abortion" will put forth any effort to save the lives of the unborn? Arnold may be a republican, but what do you expect his administration to do to further the cause of life? The main effect of his election on the issue was to set a precedent of how many RINO voters will support RINO politicians with complete disregard for the national party's pro-life plank.

34 posted on 10/08/2003 8:43:39 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Looks like others are seeing that incremental victories can and do save some lives, and move us closer to saving far more.

That's certainly the way I saw it.

Let's start pressing Arnold for stronger "informed consent" laws here in Cali. IMHO, that's the next step toward changing hearts and minds about abortion.

35 posted on 10/08/2003 9:22:06 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: heleny
If those graphic images changed the minds of any voters to oppose PBA, then the effort wasn't useless.

The only minds I heard changed were those who were going to stop donating to the pro-life movement because they were offended. A six feet tall, four feet wide photo of a corpse is something that third world nations use for political gain, not decent people. Four thousand people, and not one that I saw cheered or applauded the parade up and down the waiting line.
36 posted on 10/08/2003 9:27:56 PM PDT by kingu (More people in California yesterday voted for a Republican than voted to oust Davis.)
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To: SierraWasp
ROFL!
37 posted on 10/08/2003 9:49:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: heleny; Victoria Delsoul
Thanks!

We had the memorial service Saturaday with many out of town guests . My kids did a great job of putting together a lovely Service .

38 posted on 10/08/2003 9:52:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
RM,

Please see my thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/926770/posts
regarding the Terminator.

I pinged my list as always, I don't know if you were on it yet.

Post 1: "Conan the Destroyer" is as far left as Gray-Out Davis. He gives the GOP a bad name, IMHO

Attention cute little helpless babies-you have been targeted for termination.

Post 5: Schwarzenegger, who was born and raised Catholic and claims to be a Republican is no improvement over the current California gov.

Hasta la vista, Unborn Babies

California should demand better than this.

Post 10:
Give California someone who not only defends the 2nd amendment but someone who defends the unborn citizen the right to Life Liberty and ability to grow-up and bear arms!

What about his pro-gay stance?

We don't need no stinking "very liberal" on social issues California GOP. Why even bother with elections.

Post 14
"Liberal Catholics are the worst enemies of the Church."
Blessed Pope Pius IX

And I will add the worst enemies of our Republic, also.

RM, You will not find one line that I have ever posted written spoken or thought - different than the above.

I posted the story without comment because I wanted other freepers comments.

I ping the pro-life list at least 10 time a week. My screen name is my website, please visit it. The only thing I freep is on pro-life and I probably have pushed it harder than most.

Of special interest to you might be http://cpforlife.org/politics_of_abortion.htm and http://cpforlife.org/id86.htm

And you write: "CP, you are normally so solidly pro-life that I am stunned and disappointed that you would post such spin."

If you haven't figured me out by now...WOW!
39 posted on 10/08/2003 9:57:49 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
I am on your pro-life ping list and enjoy your posts. My point is that by posting an article like this without a puke alert or negative comment, you are disseminating a destructive message. This article is pure deception and posting it without a disclaimer could easily lead others astray. It is dangerous to post a message you disagree with without a warning in these confusing times.
40 posted on 10/08/2003 10:28:02 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: cpforlife.org
BUMP!
41 posted on 10/08/2003 10:34:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cpforlife.org
Your One Stop Resource For All The California Recall News!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

42 posted on 10/09/2003 12:09:25 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: heleny
"Schwarzenegger drew supporters from all political persuasions, including moderate-liberal voters who are pro-choice."

The Barbara Boxer election is just around the corner. If you want McC to have a reasonable chance, you have to consider that crazed attacks on Arnold are going to drive away Tom's potential voters. Tom needs many of Arnold's voters. There are important issues at stake here.
43 posted on 10/09/2003 5:36:07 AM PDT by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: BearWash
I guess now instead of ten toes in hell there are only nine toes.

Exactly. He may be in favor of killng babies, but at least he's our guy.

Additionally, as the polls indicated, if he stayed out of the race McClintock, a real pro-lifer, would have won.

Now what do we have. Two of the biggest "stars" in the Republocrat party are pro-abortion, Guiliani and Schwarzenegger.

44 posted on 10/09/2003 5:39:17 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Two of the biggest "stars" in the Republocrat party are pro-abortion, Guiliani and Schwarzenegger.

I'm very disappointed and disillusioned with politics and trends in general. Feel like dropping out and retreating to prayer only -- no political involvement.

45 posted on 10/09/2003 6:54:49 AM PDT by steve86
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To: Victoria Delsoul
In the meantime, until Arnold is certified the winner and sworn in, Gray Davis is appointing 5 to 6 judges per day, according to Fox News this morning. It is doubtful that any of them are neutral on the abortion issue, let alone pro-life. The Davis legacy will live on long after he is but an unpleasant memory in Sacramento.
46 posted on 10/09/2003 7:01:41 AM PDT by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Alouette; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; Blue Scourge; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

47 posted on 10/09/2003 7:52:48 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (America, bless God!)
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To: RichardMoore
Hey, I wish McClintock were governor, but having said that, how were you not paying attention? California already had a heretic "Catholic" in the Governor's mansion, and another one in the Lt. Governor's office. The bottom line is that a guy Planned Parenthood et al adored has been replaced with a man they hate. It's not a great victory, but it's a victory.

And by the way, just making sure this is no longer possible...

...is an essential pro-life measure, as far as I'm concerned.

48 posted on 10/09/2003 7:59:38 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (America, bless God!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Bump for a good article.

"Parental Notification" is an important step in the right direction.

Arnold's position is no doubt influenced by the fact he has two daughters, whereas Davis was a father to no one.

49 posted on 10/09/2003 8:05:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dahlseide
Three years ago then Mr., now President, Bush said he'd sign a PBA bill.

ravingnutter has compiled a short and non-exhautive list of pro-life victories won by the Bush Administration here.

How soon people forget Clinton.

50 posted on 10/09/2003 8:10:22 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (America, bless God!)
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