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Teenager In Trouble In Inhaler Incident (Gives inhaler to asthma sufferer; gets expelled)
KPRC-TV/DT Houston ^ | 10.8.03

Posted on 10/08/2003 8:10:58 PM PDT by mhking

A teenager was disciplined for sharing medication used to treat asthma, but he said it saved his girlfriend's life, News2Houston reported Wednesday.

Andra Ferguson and her boyfriend, Brandon Kivi, both 15, use the same type of asthma medicine, Albuterol Inhalation Aerosol.

Ferguson said she forgot to bring her medication to their school, Caney Creek High School, on Sept. 24. When she had trouble breathing, she went to the nurse's office.

Out of concern, Kivi let her use his inhaler.

"I was trying to save her life. I didn't want her to die on me right there because the nurse's office (doesn't) have breathing machines," Kivi said.

"It made a big difference. It did save my life. It was a Good Samaritan act," Ferguson said.

But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

The mothers of both teenagers are angry.

"My son will not go to jail. This is ridiculous," said Theresa Hock, Kivi's mother. "I believe he shouldn't be punished at all because he was helping her. She was in distress."

"If he hadn't helped her, she would have passed out or died or something because her asthma's been really bad this year," said Sandra Ferguson, Andra's mother.

The school principal said he couldn't do anything about it since Kivi not only broke school rules, but also allegedly violated state law.

"It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug. It's an inhaler form, but yet, if it had been in pill form or any other, it's still classified as a dangerous drug," said Greg Poole, the Caney Creek principal.

"Would Caney Creek had want Andra to have died rather than my son to help her?" Hock said.

Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

The school district will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.


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1 posted on 10/08/2003 8:10:58 PM PDT by mhking
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2 posted on 10/08/2003 8:11:18 PM PDT by mhking (When it rains it pours: I'm looking for a job again -- any offers or help: mhking@bellsouth.net)
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3 posted on 10/08/2003 8:15:03 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: mhking; MHGinTN
But, of course, had the same kid expelled for giving a classmate an inhalor during an asthma attack had asked for an abortion (and NOT want to tell her parents!) this same school nurse would have/could have taken her across state lines to kill the baby ....
4 posted on 10/08/2003 8:15:49 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mhking
Stupid kids, they dont yet realize that the state is supreme. If you have to choose between breaking the law and dieing, well then damnit! youd better die.
5 posted on 10/08/2003 8:17:17 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: mhking
I use this very same inhaler.

The principal, school nurse, and campus "police" are complete idiots...asthma CAN kill you.

6 posted on 10/08/2003 8:17:44 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Eschew exclamatory abuse.)
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To: mhking

These people are idiots!

They should put the principal and nurse in jail for stupidity.
7 posted on 10/08/2003 8:18:50 PM PDT by hobson
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To: mhking
Bunch of lousy coke pot Albuterol heads. < /sarcasm>
8 posted on 10/08/2003 8:19:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Current time travel velocity: 3600 seconds/hour.)
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To: Husker24
Stupid kids, they dont yet realize that the state is supreme. If you have to choose between breaking the law and dieing, well then damnit! youd better die.

The "grief counselors" must be having trouble finding work.

9 posted on 10/08/2003 8:19:40 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: mhking
Zero Tolerance = no need to ever use your brain or common sense.
10 posted on 10/08/2003 8:22:09 PM PDT by Guillermo ( Proud Infidel)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Ill bet if this girl were dieing of an asthma attack and the Principal used the same inhaler himself, he would stand there and watch her die before he would let her use his inhaler............zero tolerance is absolute you know.
11 posted on 10/08/2003 8:22:18 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: mhking
This is why kids should be allowed to bring guns to school.
12 posted on 10/08/2003 8:23:26 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: KarlInOhio
It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug.

Yeah, right.

13 posted on 10/08/2003 8:25:18 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Hey, that may be a loophole. If we can prove that inhalers are likely to cause a miscarriage, the boy can claim he was trying to help her obtain an abortion. Then they'll give him a medal.
14 posted on 10/08/2003 8:26:44 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians blow up over the least little thing...)
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To: mhking
This kid doesn't need school. We need as many kids like him as we can get.
15 posted on 10/08/2003 8:27:28 PM PDT by saint
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To: mhking

Having turned blue many times due to Asthma as a child and nearly dying more times than I can count (Pre-inhaler days, had to get Adrenalin shot at hospital)...this is ridiculous.

I have an idea...everyone who has a problem with this kid sharing his inhaler should have a rag held over his/her mouth so he only gets about 10% of Oxygen they need.

After they agree that it is distressing beyond belief, they'll drop this nonsense. I know the panic, I know how helplessness you feel, I know it that even typing this brings images of my past. These ***kwits don't have a clue as to what it's like to drown in your own lungs in a classroom and have people scratch their heads.

This is complete idiocy.



16 posted on 10/08/2003 8:27:30 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: mhking
The nurse should be fired and the charges expunged. What a crock.
17 posted on 10/08/2003 8:29:05 PM PDT by Recourse
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To: mhking; 2sheep; hellinahandcart
"It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug. It's an inhaler form, but yet, if it had been in pill form or any other, it's still classified as a dangerous drug," said Greg Poole, the Caney Creek principal.

Why does this guy get a paycheck? And no doubt a pretty fat one at that. He doesn't want to think, he just points to a rule. A five year old could do that, all for a fresh box of crayons every couple of weeks.

18 posted on 10/08/2003 8:30:01 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (<541>)
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To: stands2reason
It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug.

Again, a violation of State's Rights.
The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to make any drug legal or illegal.

19 posted on 10/08/2003 8:31:37 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: stands2reason; KarlInOhio
Nope.

Giving a fellow student Aspirin also gets you kicked out.

Its the stupid, unthinking union administrators and teachers who can't think - and who WANT all-encompassing rules so they can hide behind "Sorry, I'm only doing my job, It's the rules" granola.
20 posted on 10/08/2003 8:35:32 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mhking
Insanity, insanity, insanity...

Where do we get these official idiots?
21 posted on 10/08/2003 8:36:38 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: mhking
Some schools make the kids keep their asthma inhalers in the nurses office. That is idiotic. When you need it, you need it right away. When my daughter needed one, I got a note from the doctor stating that she needed to carry it with her, not leave it in the nurses office.
22 posted on 10/08/2003 8:36:38 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: mhking
Good for him! THese charges should be dismissed! I use Albuterol as my rescue inhaler (has to be with me at all times). What idiots, if they had Asthma they would think differently.
23 posted on 10/08/2003 8:38:17 PM PDT by Mon
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To: mhking
These stories make me so mad I can't see straight. The only effect an asthma inhaler has is to open the breathing tubes back up to their normal width. Why a device that helps people breath normally is "controlled" in the first place is beyond me.

There was a case a few years ago in New Orleans when a high-school girl died because her school wouldn't let her use her asthma inhaler, which was locked in the school nurse's office. As she became more distressed, she asked someone to call an ambulance, but the officials refused because they could not reach her mother on the phone to ask her permission.

Reason #43,947 no child of mine will ever step foot in a public school.

24 posted on 10/08/2003 8:38:27 PM PDT by Igraine
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To: Constitution Day
Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

If true, the nurse is dangerously incompetent. I carry an albuterol-ventolin inhaler because only the inhaler will relieve my breathing distress when I have an asthma attack. Since my condition is chronic, I need the inhaler every six to eight hours to continue to live.

25 posted on 10/08/2003 8:43:27 PM PDT by Mostly_Lurker
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To: mhking
This is outrageous! A collective insanity has descended upon the American populace!
26 posted on 10/08/2003 8:44:06 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: mhking
Lunacy gone main stream.
27 posted on 10/08/2003 8:45:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mhking
"Would Caney Creek had want Andra to have died rather than my son to help her?" Hock said.

Yes. You can't win the War On Drugs without breaking some eggs.

28 posted on 10/08/2003 8:48:12 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: xm177e2
This is why kids should be allowed to bring guns to school.

BUMP

29 posted on 10/08/2003 8:48:33 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Igraine
At work a few years ago, a contractor had a stroke. It was recognizable in that his speech was slurred, he walked with a limp, and his lip drooped. I had one of our guys drive him to the hospital (we lived in a small town 30 miles from the hostpital). After I sent them off, I called our safety office to report.

I was reprimanded. I should have had him walk down to the nurses office, and wait there for the ambulance to drive 30 miles out from the hospital, and then the other 30 miles back. Of course before he would be allowed to get in the ambulance, he would be given a quck check, another 15 minutes. I visited him that weekend, and the doctor said that if I had followed the company policy, "Bill" would have had lasting damage.

Well, "Bill" got to the hospital in 20 minutes from when I told people to go. He spend a week in intensive care, with oxygen and on blood thinners. The blood clot in his head dissolved, and he came back to work two months later.

You have to be willing to do the right thing, though Hell stands against you. I would be glad to have a kid like that in my family.

Be Proud!
30 posted on 10/08/2003 8:49:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: donmeaker
Bless you for doing the right thing. It seems that too many people are more interested in following procedure than they are in saving human life.
31 posted on 10/08/2003 8:58:32 PM PDT by Igraine
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To: Guillermo
Zero tolerance is a Nazi policy.
32 posted on 10/08/2003 8:59:03 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Mostly_Lurker
"Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation."

Most likely because she ignored the asinine rules and used the borrowed inhaler.



33 posted on 10/08/2003 9:01:21 PM PDT by foto
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To: Ronin
Idiots vote for them, or for those who appoint them.
34 posted on 10/08/2003 9:04:05 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Guillermo
Agreed. Zero Tolerance is a lousy substitute for rational thinking. Then again, public schools are a lousy place for learning rational thinking.
35 posted on 10/08/2003 9:06:08 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Omellette bump.

We're building a brave new world - not everyone's going to make it there.

Sacrifices are necessary - it's for the children.

Rules are made to be followed.
36 posted on 10/08/2003 9:06:58 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: mhking
The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

In other words, he could face the penalty of serial ass-rape for saving a life.

Future generation will think we're barbarians. And they'll be right.

37 posted on 10/08/2003 9:14:58 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: mhking
http://www.conroe.isd.tenet.edu/schools/cchs.htm

Mission Statement: Caney Creek High School is an educational partnership of school, home, and community. We believe that education is a collective, not an individual, enterprise dedicated to providing successful learning experiences for each student.

Well, they're right about one thing, Brandon Kivi is getting a learning experience about the collective.

38 posted on 10/08/2003 9:19:21 PM PDT by Slainte
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To: mhking
Freakin' anal retentive school nurse; I guess she forgot the ABC's of Basic Life Support: AIRWAY, BREATHING, and circulation. If you don't have A,B,and C, you don't got a student anymore! Besides, Albuterol is a fairly benign medicine (as far as chance of overdose). I wonder what this clymer would do if a child was having an anaphylactic reaction and there wasn't an order for an Epi Pen, but she had one available. Would she give the Epi without the order, or would she let the kid die because of school policy? I deal with school nurses every day, and I often wonder where in he** they got their licenses...
39 posted on 10/08/2003 9:22:12 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: mhking
"It made a big difference. It did save my life. It was a Good Samaritan act," Ferguson said.

In many criminal cases if you can show you are acting as a "good samaritan" you cannot be charged.

40 posted on 10/08/2003 9:25:15 PM PDT by ikka
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To: mhking
After finishing my first rant based solely on the title and first few sentences, I read through the rest of the article, and I'm even more dumbfounded than before: Albuterol is classified as a dangerous drug? NO WAY! I have personally given large amounts of this to infants, and the worst I have ever seen is a child who had some harmless changes in heart rhythm called PVC's (for those of you who are medical professionals, 1cc of Albuterol per hour via continuous neb for almost 24 hours). In the clinic I work in, it's not uncommon to give 3 Albuterol nebulizer treatments in a row to "break" an asthma attack; usually the pt just gets shaky and the pulse gets a little fast. This principal is also off his rocker; school professionals need to stick to education and leave the medical decisions up to the appropriate people (another example: school teachers and principals "diagnosing" a child as ADHD and saying they need Ritalin). OK, I've stepped down off of my soapbox; I feel MUCH better now.
41 posted on 10/08/2003 9:29:17 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: Slainte
The principal is
Gregory Poole
936-231-2400
gpoole@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

The school nurse is
Kathy Ogden
936-231-3330
keogden@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

Dr. Don Stockton Superintendent
dostockton@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

The Conroe Independent Schools Board of Trustees
http://www.conroe.isd.tenet.edu/about/board/board.asp
42 posted on 10/08/2003 9:29:35 PM PDT by Slainte
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To: ikka
bttt
43 posted on 10/08/2003 9:30:25 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: mhking
But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

Ummmm .. Why was this nurse unprepared to help this girl and give medical help??

Sue the school

44 posted on 10/08/2003 9:30:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: mhking
The school district will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.

This is one instance where a lawyer rabidly threatening the principal, the school board, the school district, the nurse, the community property of their spouses and their pet dogs with a multi-million dollar lawsuit for mental cruelty, false arrest, child endangerement, long term psychological harm and Latin phrases they have never heard before would actually serve a useful civic purpose.

45 posted on 10/08/2003 9:32:51 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: mhking
The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

Under most state laws, nearly any criminal offense is excusable if the actor reasonably believed that such act was necessary to save someone's life, and if the benefit of such act would significantly outweigh any possible harm.

Such circumstances certainly apply here.

46 posted on 10/08/2003 9:34:12 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: mhking
just marking the fire hydrant for a later sniff
47 posted on 10/08/2003 9:48:44 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Malsua
I had one bad summer a few years ago. (Construction work on the building I was living in overseas stirred up something that I reacted to.) It's the only time in my life I've ever suffered from asthma and it was the worst 2-month hell I've ever been through. I had two different inhalers and three different oral medications and still almost passed out a few times. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Oxygen isn't important until you don't have any.

48 posted on 10/08/2003 9:52:29 PM PDT by Marie (I smell... COFFEE! coffeecoffeecoffeecoffee! COFFEE!!)
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To: Slainte
This news story has been making the rounds -- I first saw it on fark.com, and I've no doubt that it will be spread elsewhere. I suspect that a few inboxes will be overstuffed tomorrow morning. I also suspect that these e-mails have little to no effect on the bone-headed decision that inevitably awaits the life-saving and now "criminal" student.
49 posted on 10/08/2003 9:56:27 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: donmeaker
5 years ago I almost died from an allergic reaction/asthma attack at work..a major aircraft manufacturer with its parent company in Peoples Republic of Massachusetts (Raythe..oops)My supervisor "had to" follow policy--He thought I was faking and screwing off--he called plant security, and they took 15 minutes to get there. The security guard/health officer got there took one look at me put an oxygen mask on me and told the dispatcher to call EMS. The answer back from the dispatcher was "We don't have a nurse or doctor to authorize that."--it was weekend 2nd shift. He told the dispatcher to call it anyway, he would take responsibility. There was a long pause and the dispatcher said OK. Meanwhile my supervisor started to have the grim realization that I was in serious trouble and he went to grab one of the golf carts to ferry me to the far east end of the plant where the ambulance was sent. I don't remember much after being loaded into the ambulance other than begging the EMS crew to shoot me full of epinephrine , which they wouldn't do because *I* was not a doctor and didn't know asthma treatment protocol. At the hospital I heard one of the Paramedics tell the ER people "He was asking for epinephrine all the way here." That got action. I was promptly stuck with two needles worth, and by this time it was almost too late. The ER staff was asking if I had a religious preference, If there was someone they could call, I was so bad tht they brought out a bottle of heli-ox and used that to deliver medications (It was considered "experimental" at the time). That finally leveled it off. I only found out a couple days later when I was leaving the hospital that the doctor and ER staff had told my folks they didn't expect me to come out of the ER that night. I recovered quickly and was back to work wednesday (after recieving two attendance infractions from my jerk weed boss--the same one who drove me to the ambulance). Just my two bits worth as relating to the story..:)


50 posted on 10/08/2003 9:56:58 PM PDT by BudgieRamone (Gimme a bottle of ANYTHING! .......and a GLAZED doughnut!........TO GO!!!!!)
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