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For GOP,glow of victory may hide rifts only briefly; Conservatives seek reward
BAYAREA ^ | 10/09/03 | Jim Puzzanghera and Dawn C. Chmielewski

Posted on 10/09/2003 12:31:14 PM PDT by Pikamax

For GOP, glow of victory may hide rifts only briefly RIVAL WINGS: AFTER BACKING MODERATE, CONSERVATIVES SEEK REWARD: By Jim Puzzanghera and Dawn C. Chmielewski Mercury News

LOS ANGELES - In the wake of Arnold Schwarzenegger's victory, some Republican leaders say the state party's feuding moderate and conservative wings have learned to put aside their differences. But with the governor-elect already under pressure from conservatives who want to be rewarded for their support, it's not clear how long the GOP honeymoon will last.

After a string of recent electoral setbacks that left California's GOP in a shambles, Republican leaders and many conservative rank-and-file members put ideology aside and backed the socially moderate Schwarzenegger. They embraced the popular action star, a supporter of abortion rights and gay rights, declaring his fiscal conservatism good enough for them -- at least for now.

Moderates see Schwarzenegger pulling a fragmented party together, where it finally found victory again with the recall of Democratic Gov. Gray Davis on Tuesday.

``You have a party that understands that ideals are the bedrock of any party, but there are other considerations,'' said state Republican chair George ``Duf'' Sundheim. ``What we've shown by this election is somebody who doesn't measure up 100 percent on the litmus test not only can win an election but can be accepted by the party.''

An ongoing struggle

Brooks Firestone, a leading moderate and former assemblyman, had another interpretation. ``I think the people of California got ahead of the Republican Party as Republicans,'' he said. ``The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons.''

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1 posted on 10/09/2003 12:31:15 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Poohbah; strela; Hillary's Lovely Legs; habs4ever; redlipstick; onyx; PhiKapMom; Howlin; ...
Brooks Firestone, a leading moderate and former assemblyman, had another interpretation. ``I think the people of California got ahead of the Republican Party as Republicans,'' he said. ``The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons.''
2 posted on 10/09/2003 12:36:26 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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3 posted on 10/09/2003 12:36:31 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons."

Wow, there's my new tagline (if it'll fit). Thank you.

4 posted on 10/09/2003 12:39:17 PM PDT by strela ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
``The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons.''

Flag on the play, ten yard penalty for premature celebration.

Firestone is a little early, they haven't governed anything yet.

5 posted on 10/09/2003 12:41:56 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Dem's keep losing and losing and losing)
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To: Pikamax
``He's got to hold the conservative wing of the party. He wouldn't have won without them. He cannot stray too far and he knows that,''
6 posted on 10/09/2003 12:44:35 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Nah - I understand him, and it needed saying. It was one of those pointed comments directed at a few people who needed reminding of what they've wrought over the past 10 years.
7 posted on 10/09/2003 12:45:03 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: dubyaismypresident
Sundheim got it right.

``You have a party that understands that ideals are the bedrock of any party, but there are other considerations,'' said state Republican chair George ``Duf'' Sundheim.

8 posted on 10/09/2003 12:46:46 PM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; dubyaismypresident; Hildy
YEs, we now have a term for them.

(SUCKERS: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republicans)

I got from Hildy, who got it from someone she cannot recall.

Exceptionally accurate.

9 posted on 10/09/2003 12:48:35 PM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1
That is true. Callyfoinia will need to be weaned off socialism.
10 posted on 10/09/2003 12:48:40 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Dem's keep losing and losing and losing)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Brooks Firestone seems to give an awful lot of sermons for someone who claims to be against sermonizing.

Some great early signs have come out of this victory - and one of them appears to be that the Wilson camp won't be controlling the strings. Sorry, Charlie. Arnold is more interested in governing than carrying the water for your anti-conservative Jihad.
11 posted on 10/09/2003 12:54:16 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; strela
Excellent. strela made it fit.
12 posted on 10/09/2003 12:54:55 PM PDT by onyx
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To: dubyaismypresident
It's "Kollyvornia."
13 posted on 10/09/2003 12:56:58 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Thanks
14 posted on 10/09/2003 12:57:59 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Dem's keep losing and losing and losing)
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To: ambrose
It's in Arnold's interest to keep social conservatives happy and onboard. There have been "moderate" Republicans, Riordan and Wilson come to mind, who have been hostile to the social conservatives in the past. But the vibe I'm getting is that Arnold wants to keep the party together and won't play into this intra-party warfare madness. That would be a very good thing.
15 posted on 10/09/2003 1:05:29 PM PDT by BearArms
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To: BearArms; Chancellor Palpatine
But the vibe I'm getting is that Arnold wants to keep the party together and won't play into this intra-party warfare madness.

Poor Palpatine will be "deeply saddened" if that were to be the case. He wants to see Stalinistic purges of the party, not a big tent.

16 posted on 10/09/2003 1:15:51 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: hobbes1
We Social Conservatives wish that you centrists would be more civil. I guess that's too much to ask.

Anyways, being a bit of a nymrod (see definition below), I came up with my own wry self-descriptive recursive acronym:

IDEALIST

Integrity Driven Egalitarian Activist Longtermview Idealogical Sincere Truists

nymrod
noun. A person who insists on turning every multi-word term into an acronym.

recursive acronym
noun. An acronym that refers to itself, usually by incorporating the acronym as the first word in the expanded phrase.

17 posted on 10/09/2003 1:23:00 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley
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To: ambrose
I think you first coined CA's GOP, Arnold's party. It is and it's a big tent.
18 posted on 10/09/2003 1:55:14 PM PDT by onyx
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Bump
19 posted on 10/09/2003 2:34:14 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: strela
"The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons."

Wow, there's my new tagline (if it'll fit). Thank you.

Great idea, but it won't. ( I tried)

20 posted on 10/09/2003 2:40:35 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: LPM1888
Yup - I had to edit it a bit.
21 posted on 10/09/2003 2:51:59 PM PDT by strela ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: strela
Thanks, Do you mind if I use it?
22 posted on 10/09/2003 4:01:45 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: Kevin OMalley
We Social Conservatives wish that you centrists would be more civil. I guess that's too much to ask.

I guess the social conservatives should have thought about that before hurling epithets of "RINO", "not a true conservative", "socialist", "gropinator" at the 85% that comprise the mainstream of the party. They also kind of gave up that notion of entitlement to courtesy when their boy was hurling accusations at the GOP frontrunner the weekend before the recall vote.

23 posted on 10/09/2003 4:19:37 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Kevin OMalley
I almost forgot the ever popular standbys - "country clubbers", "wealthy elites", "RINOcrats", etc.
24 posted on 10/09/2003 4:29:30 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: LPM1888
I stole it myself, so I'm not sure I'm the one you should be asking ;)

(I say use it in good health).

25 posted on 10/09/2003 4:57:44 PM PDT by strela ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: strela
Thanks, I don't think Chanc will mind.
26 posted on 10/09/2003 5:13:19 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Chanc, Do you have any objections to my plagarizing Strela's new tag line. (I have her approval but I wanted to check with you since it was borrowed from you to begin with)
27 posted on 10/09/2003 5:19:11 PM PDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: LPM1888
Feel free - Brooks Firestone is the original author anyway....
28 posted on 10/09/2003 5:46:33 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Thanks. Keep up the great work!
29 posted on 10/09/2003 6:16:08 PM PDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
``The people of California showed the Republican Party how to be Republicans. It's about governance. It's not about sermons.''

===

BINGO!

And note how Arnold defanged the Democrats on day 1, by bringing some of them onto his team, yet is not wavering one iota from his plan to "open the books" and hired Jeb Bush's finance person to do it.

To paraphrase it, "it's the leadership, stupid".
30 posted on 10/09/2003 6:35:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
A sad day for the scorched earth conservatives.
31 posted on 10/09/2003 6:37:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson (There's no harpie like a shrill old harpie)
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To: Kevin OMalley
We Social Conservatives wish that you centrists

Thats my point.

Your starting from a faulty premise.

Socially I am barely to the left of Genghis Khan....(PBJ teritory...Alan Keyes is my guy)....The operative word you seem to be not comprehending is PRAGMATIC.

You cannot wield power you cannot attain.

32 posted on 10/10/2003 5:48:39 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1; Chancellor Palpatine
SUCKERS: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republicans


Oh, my... that sums it up perfectly :-)

33 posted on 10/10/2003 8:41:19 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: LPM1888
Can I have your old tagline?
34 posted on 10/10/2003 8:42:58 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: strela
I'd like to compliment you on that new tag you are wearing... it's a great look ;-)
35 posted on 10/10/2003 8:45:59 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: hobbes1
(SUCKERS: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republicans)

Ouch! So true. Things such as this keep me from joining the GOP.


36 posted on 10/10/2003 8:53:57 AM PDT by rdb3 (Whoever said progress is a slow process wasn't talking about me. I'm an N-U-P-E.)
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To: redlipstick
Feel Free
37 posted on 10/10/2003 10:56:02 AM PDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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To: hobbes1
It was not a faulty premise. The power WAS attainable. McC had 56% versus Bustamonte's 37% in the latest poll if Rnuld were to drop out, which became a distinct possibility with all kinds of sexual misconduct allegations coming forth.
38 posted on 10/13/2003 12:16:48 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley
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To: Kevin OMalley
Your Faulty Premise was ASSUMING i am a centrist.....
39 posted on 10/13/2003 12:34:03 PM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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