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Teenager In Trouble In Inhaler Incident
KPRC-TV ^ | October 8, 2003 | KPRC

Posted on 10/09/2003 4:54:21 PM PDT by Blue Max

A teenager was disciplined for sharing medication used to treat asthma, but he said it saved his girlfriend's life, News2Houston reported Wednesday.

Andra Ferguson and her boyfriend, Brandon Kivi, both 15, use the same type of asthma medicine, Albuterol Inhalation Aerosol.

Ferguson said she forgot to bring her medication to their school, Caney Creek High School, on Sept. 24. When she had trouble breathing, she went to the nurse's office.

Out of concern, Kivi let her use his inhaler.

"I was trying to save her life. I didn't want her to die on me right there because the nurse's office (doesn't) have breathing machines," Kivi said.

"It made a big difference. It did save my life. It was a Good Samaritan act," Ferguson said.

But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

The mothers of both teenagers are angry.

"My son will not go to jail. This is ridiculous," said Theresa Hock, Kivi's mother. "I believe he shouldn't be punished at all because he was helping her. She was in distress."

"If he hadn't helped her, she would have passed out or died or something because her asthma's been really bad this year," said Sandra Ferguson, Andra's mother.

The school principal said he couldn't do anything about it since Kivi not only broke school rules, but also allegedly violated state law.

"It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug. It's an inhaler form, but yet, if it had been in pill form or any other, it's still classified as a dangerous drug," said Greg Poole, the Caney Creek principal.

"Would Caney Creek had want Andra to have died rather than my son to help her?" Hock said.

Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

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Andra Ferguson and her boyfriend, Brandon Kivi, both 15, use the same type of asthma medicine, Albuterol Inhalation Aerosol.

Ferguson said she forgot to bring her medication to their school, Caney Creek High School, on Sept. 24. When she had trouble breathing, she went to the nurse's office.

Out of concern, Kivi let her use his inhaler.

"I was trying to save her life. I didn't want her to die on me right there because the nurse's office (doesn't) have breathing machines," Kivi said.

"It made a big difference. It did save my life. It was a Good Samaritan act," Ferguson said.

But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

The mothers of both teenagers are angry.

"My son will not go to jail. This is ridiculous," said Theresa Hock, Kivi's mother. "I believe he shouldn't be punished at all because he was helping her. She was in distress."

"If he hadn't helped her, she would have passed out or died or something because her asthma's been really bad this year," said Sandra Ferguson, Andra's mother.

The school principal said he couldn't do anything about it since Kivi not only broke school rules, but also allegedly violated state law.

"It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug. It's an inhaler form, but yet, if it had been in pill form or any other, it's still classified as a dangerous drug," said Greg Poole, the Caney Creek principal.

"Would Caney Creek had want Andra to have died rather than my son to help her?" Hock said.

Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

The school district will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: asthma; drugs; politicallycorrect; zerotolerance
Here we go again. When will it end?
1 posted on 10/09/2003 4:54:22 PM PDT by Blue Max
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To: All
Got a minute?
I'd really like you to rub my ears,
or help out FR.

2 posted on 10/09/2003 4:55:34 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Blue Max
Already posted here, but I sure wish every FReeper who reads this story will call this school and rant! Caney Creek High School is in Conroe, Texas. Here's their number: (936) 231-3330
3 posted on 10/09/2003 5:00:10 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: Blue Max
Ask any doctor what a "rescue inhaler" is and they'll repond "albuterol inhaler." Anyone with moderate to severe asthma will carry one with them. They are bulky and sometimes you will forget. Believe me, you will seek out a buddy when you need one and can't find your own.

As much as I have lawsuits, I think this is time to sue the school district and the nurse. Asthma is common enough that any school will have a few asthmatic students. Why didn't they have a rescue inhaler available? If she was having an attack, why didn't the nurse call an ambulance? An attack can be a life-threatening event. How did the nurse make her "diagnosis?" Did she use a pulse-ox device? Did she use a breath meter to determine the amount of airflow?

Sue them and chances are, they will back down.

5 posted on 10/09/2003 5:06:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NonValueAdded
Make that "hate" lawsuits
6 posted on 10/09/2003 5:07:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NonValueAdded
Absolutely a sue the pants off the b*st*rds moment.

These goons who are "running" public education don't understand any language other than coercion and force, which are their own preferred lingos.

SUPPORT VOUCHERS! BREAK THE UNIONS! SAVE THE CHILDREN!
7 posted on 10/09/2003 5:12:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (GO RUSH GO)
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To: demkicker
The kid shouldn't bother with the hearing, because the school is going to put him into an alternative school anyway. A hearing is a waste of time -- a kangaroo court. Use that three-day suspension to look into a homeschooling program or a private school.

Then they should fight the charges in court.

Freakin' stupid idiotic public schools run and staffed by panty-waist morons.
8 posted on 10/09/2003 5:14:41 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Blue Max
This kid now has a drug arrest on his record.

No matter what the outcome, his permanent file will show that he is a drug criminal.

For the rest of his life, every school he attends and every employer will know him as a drug criminal.

Sounds like a police state to me.
9 posted on 10/09/2003 5:22:06 PM PDT by LittleJoe
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To: Blue Max
It will end when people are once again convinced that they CAN handle situations with common sense without having to resort to sending a fax to Washington to get advice/permission, i.e. when liberalisn is defeated once and for all.
10 posted on 10/09/2003 5:24:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blue Max
more zero-tolerance insanity.
11 posted on 10/09/2003 5:34:37 PM PDT by WackyKat
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To: Blue Max
Here we go again. When will it end?

It looks to me like Friday, from the article:

The school district will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.

12 posted on 10/09/2003 5:35:02 PM PDT by _Jim (<-- More resources/click on name ... also: Blackout of 2003 --> www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: LittleJoe
And that's why it is imperative that parents realize this and remove their children from schools that have these policies (which is practically every public school in the country).

It's very easy for good kids in today's public schools to make one mistake that could ruin their futures. Public education is not worth that risk, even if you pay through the nose in property taxes for it.

Today's public school administrators do not treat students as individuals. They treat them as part of a collective, a blob. It's easier for them that way. They don't have to use any judgment.

Parents should ask why they are paying these people six-figure salaries when a clerical worker in the school office is capable of making the decision to pick up the phone and calling the cops and then notifying the school board of an expulsion hearing.
13 posted on 10/09/2003 5:37:15 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Blue Max
What ever is not obligatory is forbidden. What is not forbidden is obligatory.

Why we continue to put our kids in the hands of these people, I do not know. Local control of the public schools, and a private alternative to them must be job one. What kind of education can they be getting at the hands of morons?
14 posted on 10/09/2003 6:25:19 PM PDT by marron
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To: Blue Max
But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

I wonder if, with a big enough club, it's possible to beat "DON'T BE A MORON" into that school nurse?

15 posted on 10/09/2003 6:27:44 PM PDT by solitas
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To: Blue Max
This chit makes me mad enough to spit.

Zero tolerance maens zero brains, zero common sense, and means zero to me.
I would sue the blood out of every school employee involved including the school board.

16 posted on 10/09/2003 6:33:46 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: NonValueAdded
agreed....if that was my daughter that the nurse was ignoring I would be sueing to say the least. That nurses arrogance put the girls life in danger. She should be brought up on charges, she's incompetent and a danger to all students.
17 posted on 10/09/2003 6:36:43 PM PDT by Stinkerbell
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To: NonValueAdded
Worse, was she even an RN? Or was she an LPN? She sure wasn't a nurse practicioner who would have done the same thing. Twenty-Two years ago, when I was a young sprout, I had a freind who keeled over from a pretty bad attack in the middle of recess, I didn't have asthma, but two of my freinds did, and they gave him their inhalers until the base EMS arrived. As for me, I just held his hand and screamed at him to focus on me. (this was in Rota, Spain). Did we get suspended, no, our third grade teacher commended us and paid for milk and cookies out of her own pocket, godbless.

This school board has it's head up it's 4th point of contact for SURE!

18 posted on 10/09/2003 6:42:48 PM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: Blue Max
If the school officials made any effort to prevent the kid from loaning the inhaler to the girl, the parents should insist that they be charged with attempted murder.
19 posted on 10/09/2003 6:46:14 PM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: Blue Max
bureaucratic nitwits
20 posted on 10/09/2003 6:48:42 PM PDT by Calpublican
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To: solitas
I hope she enjoys her time in the witness chair, especially when she is questioned about what she did for the girl besides picking up the phone to call the cops on the boy. What a career killer.

I hope the kid doesn't cop a plea and that he asks for a jury trial.

I've heard of cases where a prosecutor can't get anyone to sit on the jury because potential jurors feel the charges are so outrageous.

If that's the case, maybe they can charge the boy with spitting on the sidewalk.
21 posted on 10/09/2003 6:51:54 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: demkicker; Slainte
Got these contact numbers on another thread (posted by Slainte):

The principal is
Gregory Poole
936-231-2400
gpoole@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

The school nurse is
Kathy Ogden
936-231-3330
keogden@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

Dr. Don Stockton Superintendent
dostockton@conroe.isd.tenet.edu

The Conroe Independent Schools Board of Trustees
http://www.conroe.isd.tenet.edu/about/board/board.asp

22 posted on 10/09/2003 7:25:22 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: Blue Max
It's never going to end with the democrats running our school system.
23 posted on 10/09/2003 7:52:38 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Born Conservative
Thanks! Time to compose some scathing notes to these idiots with mush for brains.
24 posted on 10/09/2003 8:14:59 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: demkicker
If you don't want to use your regular email address, use a disposable mailinator address; it's free. You just use any name and add "@mailinator.com". It could be 32lfmde4@mailinator.com, upyours@mailinator.com, etc. You can then go to the website and check to see if you have a response at that address. The downside is that anyone can check your email (there is no log in at the site), so use an address that's not very common.
25 posted on 10/09/2003 8:23:09 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: Blue Max
Every school nurse should know the first thing you do when someone's having an asthma attack and no medication is to call for an ambulance, not try and wait it out. Minor asthma attacks can escalate in a very short time. I know.

I used to have asthma. Took an advil, not knowing I was allergic and within a half hour my breathing was mildly labored. Took my medicine, nothing to worry about. Five minutes later I was in the middle of the worst attack I've ever had. My sister said I turned blue. Thank God she was too terrified to drive me to the emergency herself and called an ambulance instead. Even the ambulance guys were scared.

At the very least, these parents should call for that nurse to be replaced with someone more competent. What parent is going to want a school nurse who is willing to let their child suffer, rather than break a rule?

26 posted on 10/09/2003 10:36:16 PM PDT by DancingMyRainbow
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To: Blue Max
The law is an ass here and not worthy of being followed. The kid should get a medal.

If I was the president or governor, I'd issue a pardon.

27 posted on 10/09/2003 10:37:51 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I don't want to Raise Taxes" "I think everything must be looked at" - Jennifer Granholm. (D))
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To: Blue Max
BTW. I'm an asthmatic myself, have an inhalor(Proventil or Albuterol), and have probably broken the law myself lending it to a friend who had an attack after a track run.

Luckily, no jackass reported me to the cops.

28 posted on 10/09/2003 10:42:03 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I don't want to Raise Taxes" "I think everything must be looked at" - Jennifer Granholm. (D))
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To: Born Conservative
Fire Hydrant mark to send blazing flame e-mail after I calm down to the point where I can word it properly.
29 posted on 10/09/2003 10:44:33 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: ladylib
You're right. Protect your children. Parents who rely on the government to raise their children are throwing them to the wolves.
30 posted on 10/10/2003 12:27:17 AM PDT by LittleJoe
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To: ladylib
I've heard of cases where a prosecutor can't get anyone to sit on the jury because potential jurors feel the charges are so outrageous.

From your mouth to God's ear. Too bad a civil suit couldn't be brought against her. I wonder if there are any Freepers living near there who can get her name for this thread?

31 posted on 10/10/2003 6:05:56 PM PDT by solitas
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To: solitas
Nevermind - i just scrolled-back and saw the name. :\
32 posted on 10/10/2003 6:07:51 PM PDT by solitas
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To: Blue Max
The school officials have spoken! All hail the wise and beneficent school officials! We must accept the wisdom of the school board. I suspect that soon the Caney Creek High School will be changing it's moto to "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!"

http://www.click2houston.com/news/2547143/detail.html

On Friday, school officials decided to expel Kivi but not press criminal charges. They said it was an amicable agreement.

"I'm happy. Everything's final," Kivi said. "I'm expelled 'til after Christmas and I can come back after Christmas, but I won't."

...

Both Kivi and Ferguson decided to withdraw from Caney Creek High School to be home-schooled.

33 posted on 10/10/2003 11:30:06 PM PDT by Slainte
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To: Blue Max
Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

The girl had trouble breathing. Inhalers are used *to avoid* a life-threatening situation, which in severe attacks can be less than thirty minutes. By the time an asthmatic is in a life-threatening situation, an inhaler would not be effective because the bronchospasm is too severe to allow inhalation of the medication.

Fire the nurse and hire the kids. Jeez...

34 posted on 10/10/2003 11:52:32 PM PDT by keri
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To: Slainte
So now the school loses two students ($$).

Perhaps more students should use that option when they are faced with silly zero tolerance policies (life threatening ones especially).

I bet the publicity didn't help this district any either.
35 posted on 10/11/2003 7:14:32 AM PDT by ladylib
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