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Student expelled for loaning inhaler reaches deal with school (Zero Tolerance Alert)
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Posted on 10/11/2003 3:49:23 AM PDT by chance33_98
Student expelled for loaning inhaler reaches deal with school
Brandon Kivi was expelled from school for loaning his girlfriend Andra Ferguson his asthma inhaler.
By Chris Adams ABC13 Eyewitness News
(10/10/03 - CONROE) A Conroe teenager got the nation's attention when his girlfriend had an asthma attack and he let her borrow his inhaler.
But he got more than that. He got expelled from school and a felony charge. It's all about 'zero tolerance' and it was the focus of a hearing that was supposed to take place Friday. But instead of that hearing, a deal was worked out.
"What they did to my son is unfair," said Theresa Hock, whose son was expelled from school. "I'm still angry."
She's the mother of 15-year-old Brandon Kivi, speaking after the Caney Creek High School student was expelled.
"It's basically a probationary expulsion that fits the letter of the law, but the most important thing is that he can attend school at Caney Creek High School next week," said Caney Creek Principal Greg Poole.
"I was expelled, but I'm home schooled (now), so I won't be coming back to Caney Creek," said Kivi. "That's final. I hope the principal hears this, too."
Kivi suffers from asthma, as does his girlfriend 15-year-old Andra Ferguson. When she suffered an attack at school, Brandon loaned her his inhaler.
"I did need it and I still think he did the right thing," said Ferguson. "He was just doing good."
The school nurse reported him and he was arrested by police. He was accused of distributing a dangerous drug. Those charges have since been dropped.
Now the principal's announced a deal. "We contended all along that there were mitigating circumstances involved in this case. I believe that a fair resolution was reached," said Greg Poole.
Still, Brandon's mother isn't happy, and she hasn't ruled out a lawsuit against the district.
"I won, in a way," said Theresa Hock. "But what they done to my son was unfair. I'm still angry."
TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: asthma; zerotolerance
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To: Clock King
Much agree. But given the epidemic of Commie and other liberal idiots running around loose pretending to be Americans, how many administrators could we find.
Sometimes, even patriots and the character in my mirror can do really dumb things.
But this one really takes the cake.
I hope the whistle blowing nurse has had her head examined or at least feels robustly chastened.
It seems like we are becoming more like China--no one is willing to make a command decision and bear the risk of sanity.
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posted on
10/11/2003 5:42:47 AM PDT
by
Quix
(DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
To: ItsOurTimeNow
How many more times does this have to happen before the Educrats wake the f up? Well, when they do wake up, the consequence will not be to fix their own house, it will be to force you to use public schools by making homeschooling difficult and restrictive.
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posted on
10/11/2003 5:46:43 AM PDT
by
Fzob
(Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
To: P.O.E.
It also reminds me of the thug "protection racket" shakedown. Excellent point. It is corrupt on many levels. And it always enrages me when I hear some racketeer speak a bunch of moral platitudes while he is picking someone's pocket.
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posted on
10/11/2003 5:50:01 AM PDT
by
Wilhelm Tell
(Lurking since 1997!)
To: Quix
yeah, yeah, yeah. The children can do not wrong. if we call them on infractions we are commies. It is obvious this boy loves to test the limits and his mother backs him on it.
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posted on
10/11/2003 5:50:40 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Dudoight
You are barking up the wrong tree.
I did not read in-depth on the story. I take it at face value.
I don't know anything about the other areas of the son's life.
But if all he did was the helping his girlfriend bit--your comment is somewhat off the wall.
If he routinely tests limits, the helping his girl-friend thing was still an honorable thing to do.
I've never been one to molly coddle rebellion or defiance. Have often caused unnecessary problems erring too far in the opposite direction.
I encourage you to bark up a more reasonable tree for your assertions than mine. Given my realities, you make youself look very foolish, given to knee-jerk responses or just silly.
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posted on
10/11/2003 6:03:30 AM PDT
by
Quix
(DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
To: Quix
In this reply section there are further facts on this boy's behavior and the 'girlfriend's' actual 'problem'. I guess it was my error to assume you read them and discounted them. Have you aprised yourself of the 'rest of the story' yet? Do you still hold with your initial comments?
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posted on
10/11/2003 6:38:14 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Dudoight; Wilhelm Tell
The Bible itself says the letter of THE LAW kills but the Spirit brings liberty.
I think Wilhelm Tell is more correct in this broad area.
I'd much rather err in the direction of excess stupidity instead of excess straight-jackets.
I think the bottom-line destructiveness will end up less.
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posted on
10/11/2003 6:50:16 AM PDT
by
Quix
(DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
To: Quix
OKAY, whatever. You are right, correct, noble, etc., etc.,.
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posted on
10/11/2003 7:08:01 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Clock King
I got to thinking yesterday after hearing this for the first time.
In some cases such as this one, don't provisions of the ADA trump any moron application of "Zero Tolerance"?
Home schooling is not enough. That school district should pay painfully.
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posted on
10/11/2003 7:23:09 AM PDT
by
Publius6961
(40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
To: Wilhelm Tell
I think you're reading WAY too much into this.
First off, I think zero tolerance is ludicrous and should be abolished.
However, trying to put myself into an educator's shoes ... I'm not one, but I have two siblings who are and we talk often about education issues ... is it not more basically a response to (a.) parents who think their little angels' ca-ca doesn't stink being ready to sue schools/teachers/districts/etc. at the drop of a hat over every little thing and (b.) civil rights pros ready to sue schools/teachers/districts/etc. at the drop of a hat if a case involving a minority student is handled one iota differently than a case involving a white student?
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posted on
10/11/2003 7:41:22 AM PDT
by
GB
To: Dudoight
I saw it on one of the Fox shows yesterday. There was a person from the school district on In other words, you've got jack.
"a person from the school district" plu-eeze. The same school district proclaiming "they've reached a deal" to cover the fact that they caved completely.
If it's a "deal", just what has their former student agreed to do for them? zilch!
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posted on
10/11/2003 7:44:43 AM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
("Conscience is the little voice inside of you that says someone might be watching" HL Mencken)
To: Dudoight
Christ Himself said only The Father was Good.
I still don't know how rebellious etc. the son was/is. It's hard to tell from the little I've read.
I'm also skeptical about whether or not the girl was having an attack. She could have sneezed or wheezed or looked googoo eyed and the guy responded with a generous offer designed to win her favor more. She may have had an attack and the distortions occurred afterward. We weren't there. And I'm skeptical of even a lot of first hand observer's stories these days.
IF the guy routinely tweaked authorities in more or less every way he could by relentlessly crowding the limits--it certainly adds an important detail to the story.
I would still think there either were or should have been or should quickly have been created some other options in response.
Meat axe's do not make good people handling tools unless one wants genocide. All the more true with teenagers.
BTW, are you routinely this cheeky with your family members and teens in your social network?
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posted on
10/11/2003 8:23:13 AM PDT
by
Quix
(DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
To: GB
My wife was a SPED teacher - she is now a stay-at-home mom.
I asked her about this, because my daughter has BAD asthma. Like, the drop dead kind.
The wife says our schools let the kids carry epi pens and inhalers, as long as they have a script. None of that "leave it in the nurses office" junk.
You might want to tell your siblings - if my daughter died because she was denied access to her rescue medicines, I would not sue them for murder, or reckless endangerment, or malfeasence, or the thousand other crimes that they would be guilty of.
I would take much more direct action.
Just a thought.
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posted on
10/11/2003 4:14:32 PM PDT
by
patton
(I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
To: Quix
It's called reality orientation. Yep, raised 4 terrific kids, have 7 grandkids. All law abiding, spiritually grounded, pretty successful tribe. No one has all the answers in rearing kids.
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posted on
10/12/2003 10:29:33 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Oztrich Boy
The person on Fox, as I recall was NOT employed by the school, she was a physician in the school district. What boggles my mind, and it shouldn't I guess, is the press ignoring the conflicting facts, preferring to make a victim out of the kid. It is an example of what is going on in our culture. If the truth of the matter had been reported, it would NOT have made national news. A kid acted out, as he had done in the past, and got called on it. Poor little gellow. His 'girlfriend' and mother supported the little turkey in his warp of the story. He was responsible for his infraction....but, typical of today's societal leanings, we ignore that and make 'authority' the evil doer. Amazing.
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posted on
10/12/2003 10:48:47 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Dudoight
CONGRATS ON YOUR SUCCESS W KIDS.
Don't see enough of that these days.
I find that persistently, the first 6 years of life are still soooooooooooooooooooo critical. Succeeding with teens seems to happen in the first 6 years or it's too easily uphill in the teen years.
It has been interesting to me. I've always heard and for years accepted--and still accept it slightly in theory--that bad kids could come from good parenting.
But I've never seen it. Never.
Have always been able to trace it back to very critical flaws, deficits, losses etc. in the first 6 years of life. ALWAYS.
Aren't many NEVERS and ALWAYS's in complex human things.
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posted on
10/14/2003 12:20:32 PM PDT
by
Quix
(DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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