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To: xzins; CCWoody
"Arminianism thinks it has removed the problem of interference with man's free will because the enlightening makes possible a "clear" judicial choice. This choice enlightens all the way to a "no complaints" adjudicating. So then, it is at the "moment of choice and the exercise of choice" that 'free will' is not interfered with. "

What Arminianism "thinks" it has removed is irrelevant. The fact remains that Arminianism believes that God "forces" this "prevenient grace" upon man. God "forces" their eyes to be opened. If Calvinism's "Irresistable Grace" means that God "forces" man's will to believe, then Arminianisms "Prevenient Grace" also means that God "forces" this "enlightenment" upon man's will.

After all, what really is the difference between "seeing" and "believing"???

Luke 8
10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, " 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 3
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

Jean

22 posted on 10/20/2003 1:37:36 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin (God, who will from shame deliver, Is my God, my rock, forever!)
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To: Jean Chauvin
So, then, there's no beef is there?

Arminians explain the choosing moment differently because they see scripture differently.

As you say, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is born again.

No one WILL see the Kingdom of God until he is born again.

Is there a disagreement in there someplace?
25 posted on 10/20/2003 1:51:08 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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