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RECONSTRUCTION THEOLOGY AND HOME EDUCATION [Rushdoony, HSLDA, Gary North]
Houston Unschooling Group ^ | 1999 | Mary McCarthy

Posted on 11/17/2003 8:24:55 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine

Quote from Christian Reconstructionist, Gary North:

"The stranger in ancient Israel did not serve as a judge, although he received all the benefits of living in the land. The political question is this: By what biblical standard is the pagan to be granted the right to bring political sanctions against God's people? We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation? Which judicial standards will they impose? By what other standard than the Bible?"
- Gary North of Institute For Christian Economics

BACKGROUND ON CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM

To more clearly understand the increasing divisiveness in homeschooling and the various leaders involvement in a political religion, it is necessary to become familiar with some of the facets of Christian theology and theocracy.

"Theocracy, the direct rule of a nation by God through divinely selected spokesmen, has many exemplars in the modern world. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq are nations with obvious theocratic tendencies. Israel's political parties exhibit growing theocratic patterns. In the United States, the Christian Reconstruction movement proposes the purest form of theocracy. Reconstructionism…believes that the law given for the political and legal ordering of ancient Israel is intended for all people at all times; therefore American is duty bound to install a political system based entirely on biblical law."

Reconstructionist theologian David Barton offered this definition: "The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law."

The term 'dominion theology' comes from Genesis 1:26-28 of the Bible where God's purpose for man is stated: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." So God created man in his own image…And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." (RSV)

Sometimes termed 'dominion' or 'kingdom' theology, "dominionism revolves around the idea that Christians and Christians alone, are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns. An earlier source of dominion theology was an evangelical philosopher named Francis Schaeffer…Schaeffer's 1981 book, A Christian Manifesto…remained one of the Christian Right's most important texts into the 1990's."

"Individuals from a wide variety of backgrounds and ecclesiastical communions are influenced by and committed to these ideals, from conservative Roman Catholics to Episcopalians to Presbyterians to Pentecostals, Arminian and Calvinist, charismatic and non-charismatic, high Church and low Church traditions are all represented in the broader umbrella of Reconstructionism, (often in the form of the 'Christian America' movement)."

Many of the leaders of the so-called hard or Christian Right are followers of the teachings of Rousas John Rushdoony. R.J. Rushdoony is the spiritual leader of Chalcedon Foundation, a California organization dedicated to Christian Reconstruction. According to the Foundation, a Christian Reconstructionist is a Calvinist, holding to the principles that God, not man, is the center of the universe and beyond; a Theonomist, believing that God's law is found in the Bible; a Presuppositionalist, believing that he holds to the Faith because the Bible says so and has no need to prove it; a Postmillennialist believing that Christ will return to earth only after the Holy Spirit has empowered the church to advance Christ's kingdom in time and history and a Dominionist taking seriously the Bible's commandment to the godly to take dominion in the earth. "The Christian Reconstructionist believes the earth and all it's fullness is the Lord's; that every area dominated by sin must be 'reconstructed' in terms of the Bible. This includes, first, the individual; second, the family; third, the church; and fourth, the wider society including the state."

The Dominion theology movement places Judeo-Christian biblical law above any and all constitutional law, including the U.S. Constitution. "Postmillienialists believe that righteous human beings, essentially servants of Christ, must achieve positions of influence in societies in order to prepare the world for the Messiah's return."

In his excellent 1996 book, With God on Our Side, William Martin used a sampling of the views of several noted Reconstructionists to give a sense of how a Reconstructed America would be: "The federal government would play no role in regulating business, public education, or welfare…[S]ome government would be visible at the level of counties…but citizens would be answerable to church authorities on most matters subject to regulation…income taxes would not exceed ten percent - the biblical tithe - and social security would disappear…[P]ublic schools would be abolished in favor of home-schooling arrangements, and families would operate on a strict patriarchal pattern. The only people permitted to vote would be members of 'biblically correct' churches. Most notably, a theonomic order would make homosexuality, adultery, blasphemy, propagation of false doctrine, and incorrigible behavior by disobedient children subject to the death penalty, preferably administered by stoning…a reconstructed America would have little room for Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, or even non-Reconstructionist Christians. 'The Christian', one Reconstructionist author has asserted, 'must realize that pluralism is a myth…R.J. Rushdoony, also regards pluralism as a heresy, since, in the name of toleration, the believer is asked to associate on a common level of total acceptance with the atheist, the pervert, the criminal, and the adherents of other religions."

Other noted Reconstructionists include Greg Bahnson, David Barton of WallBuilders, Inc., David Chilton, Gary DeMar of American Vision and Worldview Magazine; Ted DeMoss of Christian Business Men's Committee; Kenneth Gentry, Jay Grimstead of Coalition on Revival; James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church; Tim LaHaye of American Coalition for Traditional Values; Mrs. Connie Marshner of Free Congress Foundation; Rev. Joseph Morecraft; Gary North of Institute for Christian Economics; Mark Siljander of Global Strategies, Inc.; Randall Terry of Operation Rescue and Rev. Donald Wildmon of American Family Association. Dr. Kennedy, Rev. LaHaye, Mrs. Marshner, Mr. North, R.J. Rushdoony, and Rev. Wildmon are all members of the Council For National Policy.

"Whether it is acknowledged or not, Reconstructionism has profoundly influenced the Christian Right. Perhaps its most important role within the Christian Right can be traced to the formation in 1982 of the Coalition on Revival (COR)…Founded and headed by Dr. Jay Grimstead, COR has sought in this way to create a transdenominational theology…The COR leadership has significantly overlapped with the Christian Right, and has included: John Whitehead, Don Wildmon…Tim LaHaye and D. James Kennedy, Randall Terry…Steven Hotze, Rev. Glen Cole…Michael Farris…Robert Dugan…Bill Dannemeyer…Mark Siljander…R.J. Rushdoony, Gary North, Joseph Moorecraft, David Chilton, Gary DeMar… and Rus Walton."

CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM AND HOMESCHOOLING

It is difficult for secular homeschoolers to understand the apparent double standard when Christian homeschoolers are discriminatory against them at the local support group level, while at the same time, courting their efforts when it comes to state or national political causes. Understanding Reconstructionist Theology and Theocracy is important because it reflects understanding on the division in the homeschooling community between secular and religious members, and the theocratic motivations of politically manipulating the community.

Gary North declared, "All long-term social change comes from the successful efforts of one or another struggling organizations to capture the minds of a hard core of future leaders."

Reconstructionists believe that Christian schools and the homeschooling movement are the key to capturing those minds. Joseph Moorecraft said in 1987, that the Reconstruction movement was made up of a small number but expected a massive acceleration in 25 to 30 years 'when those kids that are now in Christian schools have graduated and taken their places in American society, and moved into places of influence and power.'

It's interesting to note that Reconstructionist Jay Rogers wrote, " A little known fact: R. J Rushdoony, aside from being the founder of Christian Reconstruction, is also the founder of the modern home schooling movement. Most people who deride the Reconstructionist movement for being 'too political' don't realize that." This declaration completely ignores the work of secular writers, such as John Holt, who promoted homeschooling as an alternative in the 1970's and '80's.

When it comes to politics, the principles are simple: "The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and Holy Communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."

"Gary North claims that 'the ideas of the Reconstructionists have penetrated into Protestant circles that for the most part are unaware of the original source of the theological ideas that are beginning to transform them.' North describes the 'three major legs of the Reconstructionist movement' as 'the Presbyterian oriented educators, the Baptist school headmasters and pastors, and the charismatic telecommunications system.' What this means is that hundreds of thousands of Pentecostals and charismatic Christians, as well as many fundamentalist Baptists, have moved out of the apolitical camp. Many have thrown themselves into political work - not merely as voters, but as ideologically driven activists, bringing a reconstructed 'Biblical world view' to bear on their area of activism."

The Home School Legal Defense Association/Foundation has many links to Reconstructionism. In his well-researched 1995 book, Home Schooling: The Right Choice, HSLDA attorney Christopher Klicka frequently quotes Reconstructionst writers, notably Rushdoony and Barton. In addition to including Rushdoony's "The Difference Between Christian Education and Humanistic Education", the book's forward was written by D. James Kennedy and many of the ideals expressed seem Reconstructionist, however, he does not state specifically that he is a Reconstructionist.

The relationship between President Michael Farris of HSLDA and Tim and Beverly LaHaye goes back to the early 1980's when Michael Farris was head of the legal department of Concerned Women for America. Tim LaHaye was attempting to start a television ministry that failed. In 1983 he started the American Coalition for Traditional Values which was similar to the now defunct Moral Majority, its goal being to mobilize Christians to register and vote. Some accounts indicate Michael Farris was deeply involved with ACTV while others do not mention his involvement. ACTV closed down shortly after the 1986 elections. Tim LaHaye withdrew from his television ministry when it was publicized that his church was funding an anti-Catholic group. In 1985 he further withdrew after it became known that CWA had accepted 'generous help' from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church which teaches the divinity of the Rev. Moon in direct conflict with Christian teachings. In 1987 Rev. LaHaye was forced to resign as co-chair from Jack Kemp's presidential campaign because newspapers printed divisive passages from his writings, which were anti-catholic and anti-Semetic.

The New York Times profiled Michael Farris' campaign for Lt. Governor of Virginia as part of a series of articles about Christians in politics. It is noted that Michael Farris' name appeared as a co-author of a policy paper by Jay Grimstead's "Coalition on Revival, which has called for the United States to reclaim itself as a 'Christian nation.' (Farris says that he only worked on an early draft of the document and that the organization included his name without his permission.)"

Farris's name appears among ninety-seven Christian intellectuals who signed the Coalition for Revival's 1986 'manifesto' which declares, "We believe America can be turned around and once again function as a

Christian nation as it did in it's earlier years. The document lists Farris and…Virginia C. Armstrong as co-authors of the section entitled 'The Christian World View of the Law,' which states, 'We affirm that a society must inevitably choose between conflicting legal foundations and views of law and should choose Christian views and a Christian foundation because the Christian system is vastly superior to all alternatives." Farris denies ever signing the document or co-writing the section on a Christian view of the law although Armstrong recalls that she and Farris wrote different parts of the section and "he certainly seemed to be in general agreement" of the finished version.

Michael Farris, in his 1992 book, Where Do I Draw The Line?, addressed Reconstructionism. He quotes Francis Shaeffer's Christian Manifesto to explain our nation's slide into its current cultural condition but he also takes an opportunity to note that, "there are those who advocate the idea that America should enact the Old Testament law right down to the rules for conducting trials. I am not one of those people but I do believe the moral principles of God apply to every age."

However, when discussing classical education in The Future of Home Schooling, he recommends as "one of the best programs I have seen that offers a clearly Christian classical education is David Quine's World Views of the Western World…World Views is a three-year program that is built largely around the works of Francis Schaeffer. Students still read Homer, Socrates and Machiavelli. But these are balanced not only by Schaeffer's works, but also by St. Augustine, Luther and Calvin."

As homeschoolers we should be very careful not to assign guilt by association. It is probable that some of the individuals involved in homeschooling and/or HSLDA are Reconstructionists, while others who associate with them are not. Prominent Reconstructionists are often given a forum to advance their cause at HSLDA conferences but it is unknown whether HSLDA itself is a Reconstructionist organization. HSLDA has ties to the Reconstructionist movement through former employees such as attorney Doug Phillips, the son of prominent Reconstructionist Howard Phillips, founder of the U.S. Taxpayers Party and HSLDA founder James Carden who was instrumental in introducing the concept of home schooling to Bill Gothard of Advanced Training Institute of America, himself a prominent Reconstructionist. Carden was among the 100 families who piloted the ATIA program in 1984/85. Board member Jeff Ethell may have been influenced by Reconstruction ideas while a student at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, where noted Reconstructionist Cornelius Van Til taught for nearly 50 years. In his 1959 book, R.J. Rushdoony lavishly praised Van Til's philosophy and the influence it had on him.

Christopher Klicka attended Regent University where 'longtime Dean of the Law School, Herb Titus…used Rushoony's book in his introductory law course… "Christopher Klicka, who has been deeply influenced by R.J. Rushdoony, writes: 'Sending our children to the public school violates nearly every Biblical principle…It is tantamount to sending our children to be trained by the enemy'…Klicka also advocates religious selfsegregation and advises Christians not to affiliate with non-Christian homeschoolers in any way. 'The differences I am talking about…have resulted in wars and martyrdom in the not too distant past.' According to Klicka, who is an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association, 'as an organization, and as individuals, we are committed to promote the cause of Christ and his Kingdom."

Former HSLDA employee Inge Cannon was previously employed by Bill Gothard's Institute of Basic Life Principles where she was involved with the development of ATIA's homeschool curriculum. Several of HSLDA's interns come from or plan to attend Oak Brook College of Law and Government Policy which is part of Bill Gothard's ATIA. Also, Tim LaHaye, considered to be a prominent Reconstructionist, is associated with Michael Farris' political action committee, Madison Project Fund Inc., as well as having ties to him through Concerned Women for America. Many of the ideals, particularly exclusivism and selfsegregation as promoted by prominent Christian homeschooling leaders like Christopher Klicka and Gregg Harris, are Reconstructionist in nature. As homeschoolers we must be careful when examining the religious motivations of our fellow homeschoolers not to attach labels which may not be appropriate. However, it would be more honest of HSLDA and others to define their belief status when placing themselves in positions of moral authority over homeschoolers, who are perhaps of other, contrary, beliefs.

NOTES:

1 Gary North, "Westminster's Confession: The Abandonment of Van Til's Legacy", Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1991, p. 227.

2 Derek H. Davis, "Religious Pluralism and the Quest for Unity in American Life", Journal of Church & State, Spring 1994, Vol. 36, Issue 2, page 245.

3 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence", The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

4 Sara Diamond, Roads to Dominion, Guilford Press, 1995, page 246.

5 J. Ligon Duncan III, Moses' Law for Modern Government: The Intellectual and Sociological Origins of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement, Atlanta Georgia, October 15, 1994.

6 Rev. Andrew Sandlin, "The Creed of Christian Reconstruction", Chalcedon Foundation, (http://www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html.)

7 Alec Foege, The Empire God Built - Inside Pat Robertson's Media Machine, (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1996), page 176.

8 William Martin, With God On Our Side, (New York: Broadway Books, 1996), page 353-354.

9 PRO-S.O.C.S. (Separation of Church and State), "The Righteous Revolution: Could there be a theocracy in America's future?", 1996.

10 Sara Diamond, "Dominion Theology: The Truth About the Christian Right's Bid for Power".

11 "Council For National Policy Membership List", Institute for First Amendment Studies.

12 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence", The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

13 Ibid.

14 Jay Rogers, What is Theonomy?, ww.forerunner.com/theofaq.html, no date. Theonomy means "God's law".

15 Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.

16 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence," The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

17 Stephen Bates, Battleground, New York: Henry Holt, 1993, page 105.

18 William Martin, With God On Our Side, New York: Broadway Books, 1996, page 270.

19 Stephen Bates, op. cit.

20 Leslie Kaufman, "Life Beyond God," New York Times Magazine, October 16, 1994.

21 Michael Farris, Where Do I Draw The Line?, Minnesota: Bethany House, 1992, page 15.

22 Rozell and Wilcox Second Coming The New Christian Right in Virginia Politics, Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996, page 100-101.

23 Where do I Draw The Line? Op cit, page 25.

24 Michael Farris, The Future of Home Schooling, Washington D.C.: Regnery Publishing, 1997, page 16.

25 "In Memoriam", Home School Court Report, Vol. 13, No. 3, May/June 97, page 10.

26 Bruce Barron, Heaven On Earth? The Social and Political Agenda of Dominion Theology, Grand Rapids MI: Zondervan, 1992, pages 37, 39.

27 Frederick Clarkson:, Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence, Part 3: No Longer Without Sheep.

© 1999 Mary H. McCarthy
Home School Legal Research Alliance


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1 posted on 11/17/2003 8:24:57 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Catspaw; Poohbah; E Rocc; RGSpincich; WackyKat; SeaDragon; Robert_Paulson2; hchutch
This one needed its own thread.
2 posted on 11/17/2003 8:27:01 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Modernman; LPM1888; onyx; LanPB01
ping
3 posted on 11/17/2003 8:28:58 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
These loons are more dangerous than al Quaida because they are hiding in our own institutions.

We need to work on getting them to drink their own Kool-Aid, and soon.

So9

4 posted on 11/17/2003 8:32:38 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Think of it as Evolution In Action)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
read later
5 posted on 11/17/2003 8:33:41 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise.
Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and Holy Communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."

How nice. Christian "Wahhabi's".

6 posted on 11/17/2003 8:41:19 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Add in Roy Moore, or at least his lawyers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022117/posts?page=109#109
7 posted on 11/17/2003 8:44:43 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Servant of the 9
These loons are more dangerous than al Quaida because they are hiding in our own institutions.

They certainly are. Every religion has its mental marginals that wind up using it as a tool of destruction. This group are those kind of people. They don't worship their God, they worship their own psychosis.

8 posted on 11/17/2003 8:46:36 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Admin Moderator
More of the old familiar names.

Old familiar like your own doing the same Christian bashing as usual.

This article is puke and I'm not surprised you cannot tell the difference between liberal puke and truth.

9 posted on 11/17/2003 9:03:14 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford
Is it puke? Refute it, then.
10 posted on 11/17/2003 9:06:07 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
1999 | Mary McCarthy

My, how deep you have to dig OPH to make your disgusting God hating points.
This is liberal puke written by a God hater of your own ilk.

11 posted on 11/17/2003 9:08:46 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford
Again - I ask you to refute it. I'm always willing to learn, and can change my worldview given the right information.
12 posted on 11/17/2003 9:11:12 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I owe you nothing but a rebuke.
13 posted on 11/17/2003 9:11:49 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford
You're telling me that I'm a God hater, and that the article I posted is puke, all I'm asking for is a refutation.
14 posted on 11/17/2003 9:13:01 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I'm always willing to learn, and can change my worldview

All you are willing to do is spew hate. That is CRAP that you are willing to 'learn' or 'change'. Anyone that knows your posts here at FR know better than that. You are completely narrow minded and one hateful being.

I've had my say. I have better things to do than hang out here with you.

15 posted on 11/17/2003 9:15:18 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford; Chancellor Palpatine
This article is puke and I'm not surprised you cannot tell the difference between liberal puke and truth.
"Truth" needs a moderator ping to defend it?

-Eric

16 posted on 11/17/2003 9:22:00 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Boxsford
This is liberal puke written by a God hater of your own ilk.

Do you have any facts that rebut this article, or are personal attacks your only tactic?

17 posted on 11/17/2003 9:28:19 AM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I guess you wouldn't have liked Christian Rome.
18 posted on 11/17/2003 9:42:46 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Not much, no. The ironic part is that you wouldn't, either.
19 posted on 11/17/2003 10:04:21 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: redlipstick; Texas_Dawg; habs4ever; strela
ping
20 posted on 11/17/2003 10:09:24 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I guess you wouldn't have liked Christian Rome.
Neither would have Jesus of Nazareth, I suspect.

-Eric

21 posted on 11/17/2003 10:10:40 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Catspaw
You've got to try the poll - it is hysterical in more ways than one.
22 posted on 11/17/2003 10:16:21 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Servant of the 9
These loons are more dangerous than al Quaida because they are hiding in our own institutions.

Dangerous? Christian Reconstructionists advocate violence? Where in this dodgy article is it written that they train their homeschooled children to wear explosives into buses or fly planes into skyscrapers?

This is clearly a campaign of name-calling, and there is a lack of substantive argumentation on both sides. The source is a secular homeschooling support group, and there is nothing wrong with that (God bless 'em - tee hee), but the article and many of the comments are nothing but Christian baiting.

23 posted on 11/17/2003 10:16:47 AM PST by irgbar-man (Don't axe me, go axe a tree!)
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To: irgbar-man
So is it your position that reconstructionists don't advocate stoning for crimes like adultery and blasphemy? That they don't want adherents to other faiths treated as second class citizens? Let us know what you think reconstructionists believe in.
24 posted on 11/17/2003 10:22:18 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Modernman
Sorry you'll have to do your own research on OPH. There's plenty out there. Do your own work.
25 posted on 11/17/2003 10:28:28 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: irgbar-man
Dangerous? Christian Reconstructionists advocate violence?

They haven't, yet

They are advocating converting this country to a Christian State and history demonstrates that that always ends up with the killing of dissenters and the end to freedom of thought and action.

Historically, Muslim States have been more tolerant of dissent than Christian ones. Currently Islam is in a Medieval period, and the Christian world is still more or less in a period of enlightenment, but that has changed before.

26 posted on 11/17/2003 11:19:37 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
+You gotta problem with home school, punk?" --
29 posted on 11/17/2003 11:51:25 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (7.2% Doom.)
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To: ckca
I thought this thread was a discussion of Christian Reconstructionism. Your post is an attack on Chancellor Palpatine. You have nothing intelligrent or otherwise to contribute to the discussion, except perhaps over at another forum that's obsessed with things Free Republic.
30 posted on 11/17/2003 11:52:36 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
This thread is just another CP anti-Christian screed.

CP should not be permitted to post this crap on this Forum.

But if he does, I have a right to appraise others of his vile nature and history, so that his black bile filled lunatic ravings can be viewed in their proper context.

In other words, get lost. To put it kindly.

31 posted on 11/17/2003 11:56:46 AM PST by ckca
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To: Admin Moderator
Why in the heck do you protect CP?

Any other liberal, DU Christian hating troll like CP would have been banned long ago.

What's up here?

32 posted on 11/17/2003 11:58:19 AM PST by ckca
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To: ckca; Jim Robinson
In other words, get lost. To put it kindly.

You're dragging arguments from thread to thread, something that's against FR rules. You've personally attacked another freeper. You're abusive. You've made posts that mention other freepers without pinging them. You're attempting to hijacking the thread to make this about Chancellor Palpatine, not the subject matter of the thread.

And you don't own this forum. Jim Robinson does. If Mr. Robinson wants me gone, he, and ONLY he, is the one to do so.

Got that straight?

33 posted on 11/17/2003 12:00:09 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
You're attempting to hijacking the thread to make this about Chancellor Palpatine, not the subject matter of the thread.

CP is a pro at hijacking threads and personally attacking and abusing whole segments of FR's finest.

When it is returned in kind, obviously he and his like minded buddies hit abuse.

This thread is about CP's continued persecution of committed Christians on this Forum and his attempt to malign and alienate them.

If jim Rob fails to see this and take appropriate measures against this anti-Christian troll, so be it.

Get lost.

34 posted on 11/17/2003 12:04:34 PM PST by ckca
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To: ckca
So, are you saying that the article I posted is untrue, and reconstructionists don't think these things?
35 posted on 11/17/2003 12:04:38 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jean Chauvin; RnMomof7; Matchett-PI; Law; Frumanchu; CCWoody; ...
Conservative Christian-baiting, lying reactionary, kill-the-Protestant-opposition, Go Gary North PING.
36 posted on 11/17/2003 12:06:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: ckca; Chancellor Palpatine
Any other liberal, DU Christian hating troll like CP would have been banned long ago.

Same goes for Lazamataz.

Chancellor Palpatine is great though, imho. And I'm an evangelical Christian too.

37 posted on 11/17/2003 12:07:16 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (7.2% Doom.)
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To: ckca; Admin Moderator
Get lost.

I see you're trying to get the thread pulled or at least hijacking the thread by being rude and acting abusively towards both me and other freeper.

I've pinged the admin moderator. If you have any complaints, I'll refer you to two of your previous posts in which you did the same.

38 posted on 11/17/2003 12:08:06 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Refutations? I'm waiting.
39 posted on 11/17/2003 12:08:14 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Catspaw
Oh, just great - now its in the ghetto, never to come up for air again.
40 posted on 11/17/2003 12:12:08 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Oh, just great - now its in the ghetto, never to come up for air again.

Elvis says, "feed that child"

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray chicago mornin’
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto And his mama cries
’cause if there’s one thing that she don’t need
It’s another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto

41 posted on 11/17/2003 12:18:15 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
The name "reconstructionist" is new to me, though I will admit to knowing some of the people named in the HUG article, some as just names on the bookshelf, some personally.
I will ask them if they still beat their wives and get back to you.
42 posted on 11/17/2003 12:19:29 PM PST by irgbar-man (Don't axe me, go axe a tree!)
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To: ckca
This thread is about CP's continued persecution of committed Christians on this Forum and his attempt to malign and alienate them.

I thought this thread was about an article dealing with Christian Reconstruction. Whay do you refuse to address the article, but instead focus on past grudges?

43 posted on 11/17/2003 12:20:09 PM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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To: Servant of the 9
"These loons are more dangerous than Al Qaeda..."

This is an amazingly destructive slander, typical of the fever-pitched idiocy of those who don't know what they are talking about. Free Republic should not tolerate such insane postings.

I challenge anybody to substantiate this calumny! Please cite any references at all in the "Reconstructionist" literature than justifies such an hysterical and wicked statement.

The acrimonious spirit of Pius V and Gregpry XIII lives on in this type of spiritual malignancy and verbal abuse.

44 posted on 11/17/2003 12:23:12 PM PST by Precisian
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
now its in the ghetto, never to come up for air again.

It should be in the SBR or deleted.

But some days the enemy of "good" is "even better."

Do you still believe in God? Or are you completely divorced from Christianity now?

If you still believe in God, you got some serious discussions to do with Him.

You should get off this Forum and do it.

45 posted on 11/17/2003 12:25:10 PM PST by ckca
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Why do you say that?
46 posted on 11/17/2003 12:27:13 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: ckca
"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and Holy Communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."

Is the above in keeping with your Christian principles?

47 posted on 11/17/2003 12:30:25 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Modernman; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
Understanding Reconstructionist Theology and Theocracy is important because it reflects understanding on the division in the homeschooling community between secular and religious members, and the theocratic motivations of politically manipulating the community.

This article is such vicious slander and libel against the homeschool movement. It is an attempt to paint an entire movement of hundreds of thousands of Christian homeschoolers with the label of "Theocrats" and "Reconstructionist ideologues" advocating converting this country to a Christian State and history demonstrates that that always ends up with the killing of dissenters and the end to freedom of thought and action

I've pinged the admin moderator. If you have any complaints, I'll refer you to

You darn well better believe I have a complaint!!!

Why is this kind of attempt to smear all Christian homeschoolers as theocrats who always ends up with the killing of dissenters and the end to freedom of thought and action tolerated on this Forum?

Why was it moved to Religion Forum to bait the Christian believers there?

Why was it not moved to the SBR or pulled, as it should have been?

Why is this anti-Christian troll tolerated?

48 posted on 11/17/2003 12:34:15 PM PST by ckca
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To: sinkspur
No, and neither is it in keeping with 99.9% of homeschoolers.

Thus this article and the POS who posted it should be removed. But he's your old buddy, so you'll defend this anti-Christian screed instead of defending your fellow Christian.

49 posted on 11/17/2003 12:36:37 PM PST by ckca
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To: Precisian
On the justice of stoning

On relegating the religious practices of nonbelievers to second class status or banning it completely, and expecting Christians to march in lockstep

50 posted on 11/17/2003 12:37:31 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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