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None Dare Call Them Sociopaths
Seattle Catholic ^ | November 24, 2003 | Jonathan Tuttle

Posted on 11/24/2003 8:09:03 PM PST by Land of the Irish

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To: jude24
I find intriguing that, in attacking Luther, the author has to consider marriage a sign of sexual immorality. And the absolute worst that they could drag up against him concretely (but no citations to back it up) is that he masterbated before marraige.

Well he just could have abused little girls and they would have made him a bishop

21 posted on 11/26/2003 10:31:48 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Or little boys...
22 posted on 11/26/2003 10:54:31 AM PST by jude24
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To: Land of the Irish
Well, Land O, you haven't posted since you posted this article. Maybe you have gone on vacation.

OTHO, maybe you are just hoping that this thread will die away, and that thereby, you will never have to be held to account for it.

I somehow imagine that you think of yourself as a person of integrity. A person of integrity would not leave an article like this, here on FR, where it could poison the mind of readers far into the future.

For your own conscience's sake, you NEED to either stand by this article, or disavow it.

DG

p.s. I will be waiting.
23 posted on 11/30/2003 10:00:20 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: DoorGunner
Maybe you have gone on vacation.

You were right, I just got back from a very relaxing vacation.

p.s. I will be waiting.

You'll be waiting a long time for any further correspondence from me. I don't appreciate stalkers. Have a good life.

24 posted on 12/01/2003 3:06:09 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
I just got back from a very relaxing vacation.

Good! I am glad that I was wrong, in assuming that you might have been evading your responsibility for your article. Clearly, you were not. Further, I must apologize, not only for that false assumption, but also for the rude and accusatory way that I posted to you.

Not as any kind of excuse, but as the reason, I think that my annoyance, even anger, at this type of libelous article, caused me to aim a little of that anger at you, personally. I was wrong, to do this. I hope that you will forgive me.

With that out of the way, let us see if we can discuss the merits of the article. I will try to keep from getting into blaming, and attacks on your person.

DG

25 posted on 12/01/2003 11:42:50 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: Land of the Irish
Frankly, I think it is misleading to disparage the characters of the founders of other religions when the real evil can be found with the demonic Wojtyla and his voodoo promoting, queer protecting, Islamofascist embracing Masonic ways. Criticizing anyone other than Wojtyla only serves to take one's eyes off the real target, and it is Wojtyla that is the number one promoter of religious indifferentism. Remember, he has kissed the Koran, danced with animists, drank their libations, received Hindu's blessings, and promoted ecumenism with Lutherans. He is the one most deserving of anyone's vitriole. In comparison to Wojtyla, the rest are wangers.
26 posted on 12/02/2003 5:06:07 AM PST by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
wangers = wankers
27 posted on 12/02/2003 5:07:29 AM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Land of the Irish; Admin Moderator; All

Well, it looks as if I am going to have to start the ball rolling:

The first part of this article concerned an attempt to make a Catholic shrine, or holy place, open to religious activities by other religions. I am not concerned about, or attempting to contradict, that part of the article.

[For the record, I believe that Catholic shrines belong to the Catholics. No one else should try to interfere with their activities at their shrines.]

Unfortunately, I find that I must take issue with the remainder of the article, because of three major faults:

1. It constitutes propaganda.

2. It contains many false and malicious statements.

3. It contains several serious lapses in ordinary logic.

 

The centerpiece of this modernist philosophy is that all religions
should be treated with respect because they are all worthy of
respect.

It may well be, that " all religions should be treated with respect because they are all worthy of respect," is " The centerpiece of this modernist philosophy..." I do not argue that point. My position is, rather, that we should treat ALL people with respect, and that respect should preclude our uttering slander about their religions.

But Catholics must take serious issue with this stance
because it is lacking both moral and intellectual validity.

Unfortunately, instead of proving this point, Tuttle attempts to slander every religion except Roman Catholicism.  This constitutes not only "bearing false witness," but also an exercise in bigotry, which also is an invitation, or a permission, for other bigoted people to vent their collective spleens. The validity of this statement is contained in post 26, above. [I have an idea that post 26 is some sort of sarcastic comment, but it is still inflammatory, and is an exhibit of bigotry.]

I am hoping that discussing this article will result in our asking ourselves:

1. Whether it is appropriate to post such blatant propaganda.

2. Whether false and bigoted statements have any place in an attempt to prove a "religious" point.

3. Whether we, as Christians, should accept, or turn a blind eye to this sort of article, EVEN if it "feels good"-- that is, fits in with our own secret bigotry.

 

DG

p.s. As I am able, I intend to post more about the remainder of this article.

p.p.s. [Unless the article is sooner removed.]

 

 

28 posted on 12/05/2003 7:24:49 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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