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Oh please, your arrogance is amusing. ~ mcg1969

I wonder how many people you are ultimately sending to hell because of your bickering. We may never know. Plenty of people more knowledgeable than either of us disagree on the question of Calvinism, and you know it. ~ mcg1969

The Reformation took place without the help of Arminianism and when she finally did enter the church, she did so as a troubler. She ignored the lessons the Holy Spirit taught the churches throughout the ages and ignored the arguments which had already been settled before and attempted to drive a wedge into the church by lies and deception. Even her most glorious poster boy John Wesley spoke open lies about Toplady and caused a rift in the church at the time the Great Awakening was happening. Why he felt that division was more important than the preaching of the gospel, we may never know. But, rest assured, Wesley has apologized to a great many people for the evil he sowed. Woody.

I wonder how many people you are ultimately sending to hell because of your bickering. We may never know.

You're asking the wrong person that question, my friend. I started with a simple comment basically about how we basically have a limited understanding of God in this physical universe and won't know in full until glory. (Given your tagline, I think you would at least agree with that general principle.) It's easy enough to see where the mudslinging came from.

The Reformation took place without the help of Arminianism and when she finally did enter the church, she did so as a troubler

I understand your point. Please understand I am not an Arminian apologist. In fact, the five-sentence TULIP synopsis is on its face reasonable to me. But of course, Calvinism is much more detailed than that. And since Calvinist adherents themselves disagree about the details of their own doctrine I don't mind identifying myself as "in continual education, continually awestruck."

Again my issue is with attitude not content. I have seen equally objectionable posturing from non-Calvinists as well.

I wonder how many people you are ultimately sending to hell because of your bickering. We may never know.

woody....cmon - pot...kettle....black

how was the mother of all calvinist holidays at the clear channel woody house?