Skip to comments.GUADALUPE DEVOTION IS CROSSING INTO PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS
Posted on 12/13/2003 5:30:02 AM PST by NYer
The Los Angeles Times reports that the Virgin of Guadalupe -- whose feast is celebrated today (December 12) -- is growing in popularity not only among Catholics, but among Protestant denominations.
"In some Catholic parishes it's a bigger day than Christmas or Easter: the feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe," says the newspaper. "Beginning well before dawn, worshipers today will gather to celebrate the brown-skinned mother of Jesus who, legend says, appeared before a poor Mexican peasant in 1531.
"But the celebration isn't just for Catholics anymore. Increasingly, the pregnant Virgen de Guadalupe is turning up in other Latino-dominated churches as a way to make worshipers feel at home while honoring the mother of Christ and champion of the downtrodden."
The paper quoted a priest, Father Francisco Schulte, a scholar at St. John's University in Minnesota, as saying that any church wanting to attract Latinos "that doesn't take into account how deeply that message [of Our Lady of Guadalupe] is rooted in the Latino identity is pretty well doomed."
The Virgin of Guadalupe -- who converted millions of pagan Aztecs back in the 16th century -- is now finding her way into denominations that once denounced such devotion. "The trend is particularly noticeable at Episcopal and Lutheran churches, whose liturgical traditions are closest to Catholicism," says the Times. "Parishioners at St. Matthew's Episcopal Church in National City, south of San Diego, will gather this evening to sing and bring roses for Our Lady of Guadalupe. During the service, eight children will have their first communion. 'Mexicans identify with her because she looks like them,' said the Rev. Patricia Andrews-Callori, rector of the parish. 'She's been a consolidating force for Mexicans.'"
While not all Mexicans are Catholic (about ten percent are in other denominations), all of them, note scholars, are guadalupano. "So to connect with Latino congregants, especially Mexicans who've strayed from the Catholic Church, Protestant leaders find themselves grappling with what to do with her," says the newspaper.
Of all places, in Berkeley, students at a major West Coast seminary for Episcopalians, the Church Divinity School of the Pacific, honored her Thursday evening with a service that mixed Catholic readings into the standard liturgy. The same was done elsewhere. "Some people don't understand it because these things are Catholic," said Margarita Farias, a 33-year-old parishioner and mother of two who lives in San Clemente. "But I felt that [the Virgin of Guadalupe] is the mother of us all. I feel we can have her, celebrate her and be a part of this church too."
In converting the Aztecs, Mary turned them away from their devotion to the Aztec mother-goddess, Tonantzin. Her appearances there took place, ironically, around the time that Martin Luther split the Church. Concludes the Times: "Our Lady of Guadalupe's appearance in non-Catholic services has scholars and others wondering whether the beloved apparition that has united Mexicans for nearly five centuries can bring together Christian denominations.
Huh??? Have ever bothered to read the first chapter of Luke?
to taking a singluar past statement and extrapolating a present function, without any scriptural warrant.
You choose to ignore the context of the Bible and apply your own novel interpretation of it so I can understand your blindness the deeper meanings in the wedding at Cana. I suggest you spend some time prayerfully contemplating the narrative of wedding at Cana, and it's place in the Gospel account.
"all generations shall call me blessed."
2] to taking a singluar past statement and extrapolating a present function, without any scriptural warrant.
If the Bible is all we have (i.e. Tradition means nothing), then is it possible to place too much emphasis on a "singular past statement" , in the Gospel, no less?
So, you never refer to Our Lord Jesus Christ or God Our Heavenly Father by any name which doesn't appear exactly in scripture, even if scripture clearly shows it's warranted?
There is a pattern in the RCC of taking verses and extrapolating meaning not found in the text. Bad methodology
Meaning not found in the text according to whom? The Church Fathers,Luther, Calvin, you, or the woman preaching over at the Methodist Church?
I fear we will never agree here on earth. I will continue to pray for your conversion to the One True Faith. Peace to you, my brother in Christ.
"...Do you suffer a great deal? Dont be discouraged. I will never forsake you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the road that will conduct you to God."
"To prevent this, I come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; many nations will be annihilated.
Jesus wishes to make use of you to have me acknowledged and loved. He wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart."
Here you see hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart... Pray, pray a great deal and make sacrifices for sinners. So many souls go to hell because there is no one to pray and sacrifice for them.
These appearances are about Mary and her roll in redemtion. Granted, God and Christ are present in the above - but They are supposedly telling people They want them to be devoted to Mary. Some are even calling this the Marian age - which, to my mind, goes squarely against scripture when it says,
"God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son" Heb.1 ASV
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