Five Myths About the Rapture

Crisis Magazine ^ | November 2003 | Carl E. Olson

[bobjam]

Some observations:

1) "Do not criticize the speck in your brother's eye until you have removed the plank from your own." I would like to see the author of this article apply the same level of research into Rome's Mariology.

2) Contemporary Christians often have a voracious appetite for escatology. Many recent converts jump into it head first when they should be reading and applying the Gospels. Escatology is not for newcomers to the Faith. Pastors and more experienced Christians need to do a better job of guiding converts in their new life.

3) Revelation must be approached through the Gospel. Jesus flat out stated that he will return in glory to judge the living and the dead. He described it when he said "What you did for the least of these, you did for Me". This view is affirmed by the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.

4) If we Christians remain patient, we will all eventually find out what will happen in the end times. Jesus wins- what more do we need to know.

[fortunecookie]

Many evangelicals *are* anatgonistic towards Catholics.

That's been my personal experience, sadly. And one formerly Catholic Evangelical told me and my son (then 5) we were going to burn in hell - unless we joined them at their new member meeting, bring a covered hot casserole. Nice. This was several years ago at my sister's baby shower.

[Conservative til I die]

Yawn, it's the same "Soundbyte Christianity" we've heard a million times before.

[redgolum]

No, I meant that we are not going to be lifted out of this world before the tribulation. We are saved by grace. I can see how my posts might have seemed I was saying we are saved by suffering, but that was not by intention.

[xzins]

Noah and Lot were preserved from the fallout in their day.

22Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[3] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28"It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30"It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot's wife! 33Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."[4] 37"Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

[Uri’el-2012]

Very interesting article ; what does it mean ?

One it means that many members of the roman church are reading
the Left Behind series and then are actually reading the Holy Word of G-d.

This is dangerous to the Corporate position because as people read
the Holy Word of G-d they begin to understand the position presented
by the Corporation created in Nice by Constantine in 325 AD has many
flaws.

Second I notice the the author of this article descends into the lowest
form of argument (ad hominum) directed at the man, not the thought.

Third the author so blinded by his Corporate world view that he fails
to appreciate that the Blessed Hope of the pre Nicene church was
Jewish as was the Christ. If one reads the canons of Nice you will see
the rejection of all things Jewish, ( with it's concomitant anti-Semitism)
starting with the Death and Resurrection to the Christ
and it's creation of the pagan celebration of Easter and the rejection
of the L-rd's death and Resurrection on Pesach and hagMatzoh and First Fruits

The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene age is the
prominent chiliasm, or millennarianism, that is the belief of a visible reign
of Christ in glory on earth with the risen saints for a thousand years, before
the general resurrection and judgment. This belief was spiritualized following
the Council of Nice so as to not insult the Emperor. This led to greater
spiritualization. This lead to placing the wisdom of man ( or men in Rome)
as a greater authority than the Holy Word of G-d.

For a study of the first three books of Revelation see this post:

Have you ever been confused by the book of Revelation?

a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

[SoothingDave]

Second I notice the the author of this article descends into the lowest form of argument (ad hominum) directed at the man, not the thought.

Can you provide an example of this, I didn't see any ad hominem. Thanks.

The rest of your post is irredeemable.

SD

[4CJ]

You suspected this was coming, maybe it's here...

LOL. It will get much worse.

More in Freepmail later - it's been a very hectic day.

[Uri’el-2012]

Can you provide an example of this, I didn't see any ad hominem. Thanks.

The rest of your post is irredeemable.

49 posted on 12/19/2003 2:49:06 PM MST by SoothingDave

Thanks Dave. I expected that from you.

Now how about the thoughts expressed.

a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

[Ff--150]

Keep in touch, 4CJ--Ff

[SoothingDave]

Thanks Dave. I expected that from you.

You're welcome.

Now how about the thoughts expressed.

I asked where the ad hominem was. I honestly don't remember seeing any.

You should be honored that I know your beliefs are so strong that I won't bother trying to disabuse you of your "Constantinian conspiracy" remarks.

SD

[irishtenor]

***20 Knowing this FIRST, that NO prophecy of the scripture is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRERATION.***
Or, as it says in my Bible (NIV) - 20. Above all, you must understand that no prophesy of scripture came about by the prophets own interpretation.

This clearly says to me that Scripture is not an invention of man, but by God. It isn't warning against a "private interpretation" it is saying that scripture is by God, not man.

By the way, you tell us not to "interpret" scripture, then you do it to assail us.

I am not dispensational, I am Amillenial.

[irishtenor]

Go get 'em!

[Gamecock]

And of course there is nothing but love shown by the Catholics towards the Proddies.

[Conservative til I die]

Oh good lord. You're ridiculous.

[Conservative til I die]

GUess you're not going to tell him about the ad hominems.

[Conservative til I die]

And of course there is nothing but love shown by the Catholics towards the Proddies.

Catholics generally don't care about Protestants. We don't go invading their threads and forums in order to tell them how they're going to burn without Tradition. It's just the way our Catholic culture is. We also don't talk like salesmen about salvation ("The Lord is knocking on the door to your heart, won't you consider giving him the key?") It's just the way we are.

Protestants on the other hand, tend to seek Catholics out because they're supposed to prostelytize and have had many of their beliefs phrased in a way that they are constantly contrasted with our beliefs.

To be honest, growing up, I never knew that many people actively hate the Catholic Church and that, in many regions of the country, the people are anti-Catholic. Not until I came here.

[drstevej]

***These dispensationalist, "end times" books represent the worst of gutter theology.***

Won't you be surprised when the fourth Secret of Fatima is fulfilled and one dons the white and gold chest high waders who besides being a pocket Fisher of Men is also the first calvinistic, dispensation, credo baptist Pope sent to help the RCC return to it's Tridentine roots so the Proddies will have real Catholicism to contend with.

Whom could that be?