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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; narses; ...
Anyone care to add their 2cents to this opinion!?
2 posted on 01/20/2004 8:46:42 AM PST by NYer ("One person and God make an army." - St. Teresa of Avila)
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To: NYer
Anyone care to add their 2cents to this opinion!?

This debate has nothing -- nothing -- to do with the Church telling politicians how to run the government.

Bishop Burke is only preventing politicians from telling him how to run his church.

4 posted on 01/20/2004 8:56:02 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: NYer
"It would be an unsustainable anomaly if Catholics were permitted to serve in the armed forces of a country that claims the right to wage preemptive war, even in the face of passionate denunciations by the pope, while being barred by their religion from serving in Congress, where they could vote against such wars. But that is the logic of Bishop Burke's current position."

No that is your inverted logic. This poor man needs a remedial class in Catholic teachings and also one in logic, virtues and Truth.
6 posted on 01/20/2004 9:09:22 AM PST by johnb2004
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To: NYer
What the good bishop told them to do was stop being Catholic if they continued to uphold a political position that is non-Catholic; he didn't even suggest that they stop being politicians.

The screechers, not liking what he actually said, are trying mightily to change what he said - sort of like a straw bishop argument, as it were.

10 posted on 01/20/2004 9:18:35 AM PST by logos
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To: NYer
I always have two cents handy . . . :-D

An important point that should be made is that "Catholic In Name Only" politicians are trying to have it both ways, to cheat their church AND their constituency.

They want the benefit of calling themselves "Catholic" because that wins votes at election time. But, having received that benefit from faithful Catholics who believe they are voting for one of their own, they then turn around and betray the voters and the church by deliberately and wilfully flouting the church's teachings.

Aside from any position on abortion, this is fundamentally dishonest. As Kipling said, "Where I take a gift, there I render service."

12 posted on 01/20/2004 9:41:29 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: NYer
But until and unless the nine Supreme Court justices change their mind under pressure of the final arbiter -- public opinion -- lawmakers are just voting for laws the court will overturn on constitutional grounds.

What's fascinating to me is his assumption (really, now, the liberal assumption generally) that it is JUDGES and not legislators whose views best reflect the will of the people. It's as if they have given up on democracy because they cannot get what they want that way--or maybe because they know they can better get what they want from elitists like themselves.

13 posted on 01/20/2004 12:00:11 PM PST by madprof98
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This is getting to be a long list (but here is my two cents of collected threads on this topic:

The Deadly Dozen

Canadian Prime Minister Taunts Church: "I Am A Catholic And For Abortion"
Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic
On Catholic Politicians and Faith
Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines
Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician
William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians
Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism
THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]
Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
MI Gov Granholm Proclaims June "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month"
Colorado Governor To Media:'WE LOVE OUR CHURCH' [Gov. Bill Owens
U.S. Senator Brownback and Commentator Dick Morris Join Catholic Church
PRIEST REFUSES COMMUNION TO KNEELING PRO-LIFE POLITICIAN [Richard Black, Virginia]
Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights
Pope to MPs: Stop gay marriage
Vatican - Considerations regarding ... homosexual persons
CONFUSIONS ABOUT POLITICAL JUDGMENT AND THE MORAL LAW
Prelate says politicians who back abortion shouldn't go to Communion
Bishop draws fire for targeting Chrétien
Kennedy likens Vatican stance on gay unions to 'bigotry' (oh, go get a job, you little creep)
Ignorance or Malicious Intent? "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to..."
George Weigel on Authentic Catholic Citizenship, and the Duty of Catholic Politicians to Behave as Catholics
Conservative Catholics urge Church to challenge "dissenters"
[Robert F., Jr.] Kennedy to speak at Festival of Faiths (Environmentalism as religion)
Faithful Catholic Politicians
Catholic Bishops Eye Possible Crackdown of Pro-Abortion Pols
PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS
It is Time to Excommunicate the Politicians
Church vows to fight gay marriage: Catholics pressure pols
Should politicians toe their church line?
Church May Penalize Politicans
Catholic politicians facing dogmatic threat
Bishop appeals to Catholic lawmakers [Wisconsin]
New St. Louis Catholic Archbishop Warns Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians of Excommunication.
Bishop Objected to AIDS Walk
Wisconsin Catholic Lawmakers Seek Victim Status In Feud With Bishop
Bishop Burke discusses the letters he sent to Catholic politicians
Congressman Places Internal Pro-Abortion Docs in Congressional Record
Flynn: Dems ignore Catholics
Granholm gay rights order "a slap in the face"
Calif. Bishop To Gov. Davis: Pick Abortion Or Communion [formal excommunication?]
California Bishop to Gov: Oppose Abortion or No Communion (New Title)
Sacramento Bishop Challenges Governor on Abortion; Tells Davis to Stop Receiving Communion
Granholm's Bible-thumping Sure to Rile GOP
Bishop: No Communion for Abortion Backers
Legislators can't have Eucharist, bishop says: Don't serve supporters of abortion rights, euthanasia
Wisc. Bishop Tells Pro-Abort. Catholic Pols: Change Your Stripes or Stay Away from Holy Communion
Diocese targets Granholm on abortion
NJ Governor McGreevey a devout Catholic, yet diplomatic {Barf Alert}
Communion ban on lawmakers who back abortion starts furor
Bishop's ban ignites church-state debate
(MI) Governor's effort is first step to give gays special benefits, weapon against religion [Granholm]
(Louisiana) LA Archbishop aims call at some Catholic politicians [Hughes]
Hughes exhorts Catholic pols to toe line
The end of Catholic politicians

15 posted on 01/20/2004 1:21:56 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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