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To: Akron Al; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
Cleveland's mess certainly ranks as one of the worst, if not the worst.

I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

14 posted on 01/20/2004 1:12:51 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

I fear Rome has given up on the U.S. as our bishops have been so disobedient.

If you were the boss, would you help your lower management if they thwarted your every order? Or would you let them crash and burn and then pick up the pieces.

17 posted on 01/20/2004 1:23:22 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Facts are stubborn things)
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I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

That's the forbidden question. You aren't allowed to ask that. We need to stay on message: "John Paul II The Great," destined for instant beatification, despite a few upsetting details like the collapse of the institutional church and unthinkable corruption of the clergy that occurred on his watch.

18 posted on 01/20/2004 1:24:05 PM PST by Maximilian
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What has happened in the US is almost the same with what happened in the Western Europe in the past few decades. I like the way the dirt comes out - it is a sign of God’s providence.

If the American Bishops don't come up with the solution (compare with the Boy Scouts' solution), Rome will need to step in even at the cost of creating a huge uproar from the AmChurch's "progressives."

19 posted on 01/20/2004 1:26:02 PM PST by heyheyhey
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If you could find a way to get the meltdown in Cleveland some national press, we would be eternally grateful.
23 posted on 01/20/2004 1:32:12 PM PST by Diago
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I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

Giving the bishops enough rope to hang themselves?

That's an awful thing to say, I know, but as all of this has come out since Bernardin died, and considering how he was adored by so many, the uncovering of the scandal is exposing the errors of the Amchurch types.

It's a painful purge, but better it happen than not.
29 posted on 01/20/2004 1:48:02 PM PST by Desdemona (I ran. He ran with ME. I ran BY MYSELF. (myself is reflexive) grammar rant off (pet peeve))
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"I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

I know where you're coming from.

I love the Church and have always treasured my Catholic faith.

However, there is no excusing the way these scandal cases have been mishandled.

I hope that this scandal situation will be for the Church like hitting bottom can be for an alcoholic: that's when they bounce back because there's no way to go but up.

30 posted on 01/20/2004 1:53:07 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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Both Max and I have noted a peculiar resistance to even consider what is going on there. If people who live there won't talk about it,if bishops and cardinals like Bernardin are complicit,if the archbishop,who I believe is,Pilarzyk is every bit as bad,how would Rome know about it?

I do believe that Rome has caught on and things are starting to happen but we need to just keep talking about it. You can bet that there are plenty of lurkers from good and bad diocese that read FR,it drives bad people over the brink when they realize that their faithlessness and duplicity are public knowledge. They do not like it one bit and that is one of many good reasons we need to keep it up.

42 posted on 01/20/2004 5:12:01 PM PST by saradippity
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