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Dolan lauds result of bishop's actions against lawmakers
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 1/24/04 | Tom Heinen

Posted on 01/25/2004 5:50:30 AM PST by ninenot

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1 posted on 01/25/2004 5:50:31 AM PST by ninenot
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
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2 posted on 01/25/2004 5:51:22 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot; NYer; Salvation; american colleen
Burke got national attention in December when it became known that he had sent a number of letters to three Catholic Wisconsin politicians, warning that they were endangering their spiritual lives and scandalizing others if they persisted in supporting abortion rights.

Indeed. Let's hope the power of the Holy Spirit continues this offensive against the organized evil and pseudo-medical barbarism of the culture of death. It is time for the heroes of the Church to come forward.

3 posted on 01/25/2004 6:05:33 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ninenot
Dear ninenot,

I smell waffles cooking.

"Q. You are known for your strong, pro-life stance. What's your position on Bishop Burke's actions?


"A. In my book, it's that classical distinction between principle and pastoral practice. And, you know, Bishop Burke and I go way back. I've known him since 1972, and I have tremendous admiration and respect for him. Boy, his intellect, his piety, his wisdom have been a blessing to me.


"So, what's come of this, I think, which I'm happy for, is what you might call we front-burnered this issue again. And no matter where you stand on the particular style of what he's done, I think all of us - certainly as bishops, Catholic leaders, people committed to a pro-life cause - are glad that it's front-burnered. And we're saying this is a principle that we can't waffle on. This is a cause that for us is the premier cause of social justice in America today."

The waffles here are of a classic recipe.

You have the faux-enthusiastic use of bureaucratic jargon, "front-burnered".

There is the oh-so-necessary dash of creating distinctions which permit one to praise the action of another without having to engage in it, oneself, as in "it's that classic distinction between principle and pastoral practice."

Of course, for that savory slightly malty flavor, any batch of waffles needs that critical ingredient, faint praise, "And, you know, Bishop Burke and I go way back. I've known him since 1972, and I have tremendous admiration and respect for him. Boy, his intellect, his piety, his wisdom have been a blessing to me."

I prefer mine with butter, no syrup.

I hope the bishops really come up with something that is more than window-dressing, and I hope that they follow through on it, including Archbishop Dolan.

But the time for talk is done. The time for real discipline is here.


sitetest
4 posted on 01/25/2004 6:18:36 AM PST by sitetest
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To: sitetest
I suspect something is going on backstage. "Pro-life" is a "right-wing" issue, and there are plenty of left-wing bishops who are still in cohoots with left wing politicians. This goes all the way up to the Vatican and back. As with any large group, there are the committed minorities and then there are the trimmers in the middle. So the Church is somewhat like the Republican Party, where the President is always out of town on January 22nd and only some of the braver politicians show up at the rally.
5 posted on 01/25/2004 6:30:21 AM PST by RobbyS (XPqu)
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To: ninenot
This is a cause that for us is the premier cause of social justice in America today.

The correct interpretation of "social justice" and not what those kooky nuns have been moralizing about for 30 odd years.

Not quite sure I liked the statement about waiting on what the USCCB decides... is some wacky no named "ad hoc" subcommittee going to decide how to handle something that is best left to each individual bishop? Part of the problem with the USCCB is that it stifles bishops like Burke (kind of hogties them) although on the other hand that's true for bishops like Mahony and Weakland too.

Bishop O'Malley out of Boston is starting to come alive on this issue as well. Praise God!

6 posted on 01/25/2004 6:45:29 AM PST by american colleen
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To: sitetest
Please see my previous post of Dolan's editorial in which he pointedly observed that MLKing's foundation in Biblical principles should guide politics today.

He was VERY clear about the pro-life implications in that editorial.

I maintain that Dolan is not yet ready to slam the so-and-so's--he has a settlement to get out of the way first.
7 posted on 01/25/2004 6:59:04 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
he has a settlement to get out of the way first.

I agree... Boston has recently completed the settlement and this week O'Malley sez:

Boston Archbishop Says Pro-Abortion Politicians "Shouldn't Dare Come to Communion"

WASHINGTON, DC, January 23, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an interview with LifeSiteNews.com following the Vigil for Life Mass in Washington Wednesday, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley expressed his great desire for a renewal of faith among Catholics. Asked about the problem of Catholic politicians promoting abortion, the Archbishop noted that the problem "is not only politicians but those (Catholics) who vote for them." He stressed repeatedly the "great need for adult catechesis among our people."

"These politicians should know that if they're not voting correctly on these life issues that they shouldn't dare come to communion," the Archbishop told LifeSiteNews.com.

Archbishop O'Malley noted that beyond pro-abortion politicians, that reception of Holy Communion by those not in a state of grace is sadly commonplace. "I think it's in the context of a greater problem - Catholics feel that everyone is entitled to go to communion all the time. That has to be addressed. You know if a (pro-abortion) politician asked me I would say you shouldn't go to communion, I wouldn't go to communion. They don't understand why." He explained, "At a funeral sometimes they will announce that communion is for Catholics and people get all offended, so we've lost the notion of the sacredness of communion and the kind of disposition we need to have."

Aside from his stressing the "great need" for adult catechesis, the Boston Archbishop said the solution lies in holiness. Catholics must "be willing to live their faith heroically, the testimony of holiness is the only thing that's going to be able to convince people. Mother Teresa could speak about life issues in a way, because of the ethos of her life, that was much more powerful than the most eloquent preacher or teacher. We have to live our faith very deeply in order to draw people."


8 posted on 01/25/2004 7:01:19 AM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
The motions of O'Malley and Dolan are NOT co-incidental--and you might add the new Bishop of Madistan, WI., to your list.

Sometimes it is not necessary to use a sledgehammer to kill the fly.

Remember that Dolan is surrounded by enemies--he reportedly has stated that 'it's worse here than anyone imagined' to a close friend in the Church...
9 posted on 01/25/2004 7:01:36 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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Did you see this (post #8) how does that square with Fr. Coyne's statement the other day?
10 posted on 01/25/2004 7:02:19 AM PST by american colleen
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To: ninenot
Remember that Dolan is surrounded by enemies--he reportedly has stated that 'it's worse here than anyone imagined' to a close friend in the Church...

Rembert Weakland lives on in the hearts of his minions.

Every rosary I say is for the Church and the bishops in particular. They have a herculean task ahead of them, some more than others.

Notice that the media is focusing on the orthodox bishops and not the liberal ones? They know the mavericks.

11 posted on 01/25/2004 7:06:19 AM PST by american colleen
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To: sitetest
"There is the oh-so-necessary dash of creating distinctions which permit one to praise the action of another without having to engage in it, oneself, as in "it's that classic distinction between principle and pastoral practice.""

Well said! - being "pastoral bishops" is simply an excuse for waffle. Other names for it would be "lack of integrity", "spinelessness", "lack of conviction" and being "lukewarm Catholics".

If I had a dollar for every time a Catholic clergyman has said "we don't want to make this a denominational issue" I'd be a millionaire by now. Excusitis - plain and simple!
12 posted on 01/25/2004 7:10:18 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: ninenot
Dear ninenot,

I hope you're right.

Forgive me if I seem cynical.

It is, after all, only 31 years since Roe v. Wade. How could we expect the bishops to act so precipitously??


sitetest
13 posted on 01/25/2004 7:21:17 AM PST by sitetest
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To: ninenot
The motions of O'Malley and Dolan are NOT co-incidental--and you might add the new Bishop of Madistan, WI., to your list.

You could add Hughes in there as well. Plus he was pretty impressive in his verbal distain for the catechism books in our Catholic high schools. The bishop from Fall River - George Coleman - he's pretty good too.

I think the laity is driving the abortion issue - you can't ignore tens of thousands of people who brave the cold and uncomfortable transportation/sleeping accomodations who are there in Washington as tangible evidence that there are many Catholics who oppose the culture of death (Terri Schiavo is another good example) - it forces the bishops to act. Another tip of the stocking hat to Mother Angelica and the good people at EWTN for providing full (and therefore honest) coverage of this event.

14 posted on 01/25/2004 7:28:29 AM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
"These politicians should know that if they're not voting correctly on these life issues that they shouldn't dare come to communion," the Archbishop (O'Malley) told LifeSiteNews.com.

Just more hot air. Why did O'Malley not only invite John Kerry and Ted Kennedy to his installation Mass, but passively watch John Kerry receive Holy Communion at that same Mass?

O'Malley has no more of a spine than Dolan does; all talk, no action.

15 posted on 01/25/2004 8:39:42 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
I'm thinking that it's too bad the pope hasn't made you a bishop or a cardinal. I can see it now... you'd storm into a diocese that has been wracked with scandal for years - sexual and moral and spiritually bankrupt - and the first day you'd start issuing decrees until you eventually alienated everyone but about 50 Catholics. Then you guys could all attend Mass at the local Marriott Hotel where the SSPXers gather on Sundays and they'd all congratulate you for being so divisive decisive.

Things didn't get broken overnight and they won't be fixed overnight, however much we wish they would be.

16 posted on 01/25/2004 9:06:53 AM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Things didn't get broken overnight and they won't be fixed overnight, ...

So you admit things are broken?

17 posted on 01/25/2004 9:11:59 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: american colleen
how does that square with Fr. Coyne's statement the other day?

As I said, it sounded as if Coyne was speaking for himself; he doesn't want to rock the boat, upset the apple cart, whatever. He's not very honest. (Remember, when they decided to close St. Augustine's school -- a very poor parish -- Coyne said for public consumption that it had been the pastor's decision, conveniently omitting to say that the archdiocese had cut something like $100,000 from St. Augustine's annual grant.)

I didn't see the story in post #8 anywhere, but there was a headline in Friday's Herald about O'Malley praising pro-life politicians (prominently displayed midway down page 18, of course):

Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley yesterday praised lawmakers who oppose legalized abortion in the face of political opposition.

"I think we need to call all Catholics and all Americans to see the importance of this issue," O'Malley said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C., after taking part in is 31st consecutive "March for Life."

"Obviously politicians are going to act independently," he said. "But we hope that they will follow their conscience and inform their conscience correctly on these issues.

"I think that some politicians start off as being pro-life and sort of lose their nerve, as it were," he said. "On the other hand, I think politicians who are faithful to their ideals and their convictions about the sacredness of life give a very special witness."

Politicians who used to be pro-life, hmm, there's Kennedy, Gephardt, Daschle . . . . There must be more; it seems any Dem who wants a role in the national party has to toe the line here.

18 posted on 01/25/2004 9:17:42 AM PST by maryz
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To: american colleen
you'd storm into a diocese that has been wracked with scandal for years - sexual and moral and spiritually bankrupt - and the first day you'd start issuing decrees until you eventually alienated everyone but about 50 Catholics.

Thank-you, Colleen.

I view that as one of the highest compliments I've ever received on this forum.

19 posted on 01/25/2004 9:20:39 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: ninenot; sitetest
I believe His Excellency Bishop Dolan misses an excellent opportunity to dispel the mis-characterization of Archbishop Burke's courageous, necessary admonishment of the pro-infanticide, self-proclaimed Catholic politicians in the La Crosse diocese.

The issue was handled privately (Archbishop Burke, to my knowledge, still has not identified publicly the politicians to whom he sent personal letters many months ago requesting that they meet with him privately/individually to discuss this issue) and only became public by necessity because one of the recipients chose to make it so.

In my humble opinion, Bishop Dolan, who I admire and pray for everyday, has been given a formidable task as the shepherd of the Milwaukee Diocese.

The Creator of all life and His human creatures who have remained close to this issue know that it is disingenuous to agree with those who deem Archbishop Burke's action as problematic because a politician must represent the desires and opinions of his/her constituents. Although Bishop Dolan addresses that issue with terrific examples, he falls into the trap of implicit agreement that Archbishop Burke's action had anything to do with a politician's ability to be a politician.

Archbishop Burke' concern, as I have said in another thread so please excuse me if you have seen this before, is primarily for the spiritual health of the self-professed "catholic" politicians who consistently support both vocally and by legislative act, the legalization of infanticide, in direct opposition to one of, if not the major tenet of the doctrine of the Catholic faith. Archbishop Burke's second concern is the scandal caused among the Catholic faithful, those who respect and those who despise Catholicism, by allowing this horrendous charade to continue.

Very simply stated, Archbishop Burke is not telling any politician how he or she may or may not vote on an issue. He did, however, initially tell those politicians who display vociferous, public, scandalous disregard for this MAJOR tenet of Catholic doctrine, that they should not present themselves for the holiest of the sacraments, the Eucharist. When they would neither accept his invitation to meet with him to discuss his letter, nor discontinue their scandalous reception of the Eucharist, knowing that perhaps the following day they would be casting a vote for or speaking in support of legalized abortion, Archbishop Burke privately contacted the pastors of the parishes of the politicians involved to instruct them to withhold distribution of the Eucharist to those politicians.

Archbishop Burke had a duty to protect his entire flock from the scandalous behavior of a few very public figures. He, contrary to many who would like to make it appear so, did not tell those politicians how they must vote on this MAJOR issue.

His message was clear.....you can be a politician and vote however you wish, but when that vote and the vocal support provided both prior to and after casting that vote is in violation of a major doctrinal tenet of the Catholic faith you publicly claim to espouse, you must choose which is more important to you.....you can't have it both ways.

For those who would like to contend that Archbishop Burke doesn't really know what is in the hearts of the politicians who are involved and point to the sacrament of Reconciliation, I simply point out that absolution from sin requires very little.....remorse, seeking forgiveness through the sacrament, disclosure of those sins and most importantly, a promise to our most compassionate, forgiving Savior that we "firmly resolve, with the help of His grace to sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin". A politician who plans to continue to commit the same sin has sought absolution under false pretenses.

You are the last two for whom this is necessary, but for those who would like to turn this into a Catholic/ religious "imposition of power over the state" issue, it is not and never was. As my pastor stated during his homily last evening, the sanctity of life has been one of the most unifying issues among varied religions to-date, but most importantly, it is a human issue.

For those who will, undoubtedly, take this opportunity to contend that this is a warning sign that the Catholic Church is attempting to impose Her doctrine upon the
State, I suggest you reread the examples cited by Bishop Dolan and also the true reason for Archbishop Burke's action.

I doubt that Catholic legislators who speak out from the senate floor against fasting on Good Friday will be treated in the same manner as those who speak in favor of a legal procedure that has resulted in the murder of 40,000,000 innocent babies, but I'm sure equally frivolous examples will be cited by those with an agenda.

Please forgive me for the length of this comment.

God bless,

EODGUY
20 posted on 01/25/2004 9:27:24 AM PST by EODGUY
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