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GOD'S PASSIONS FOR HIS GLORY
http://www.geocities.com/%7Emperman/passion2.html ^ | 1/29/04 | Dustin Shramek

Posted on 01/29/2004 1:32:16 PM PST by RnMomof7



You can learn a lot about someone when you find out what things get them fired up. When you see their heart's desire, it is like seeing right into them.

When you talk to someone it doesn't take very long to see what they are passionate about. When we take a genuine interest in another person, we want to know what there life purpose is, their goal in life, the one thing they are striving for.

Should our relationship with God be any different? Have you ever asked, "What is the one thing that God is most passionate about?" What is the one thing that will always motivate Him it act? Or in other words, "Why did God create the world? And why does He act in it today?

Why God created the world
Did God create the world becasue He was lonely and needed fellowship? Did God create the world because He was bored and there was nothing better to do? Did God create the world so all men and women could be in a loving relationship with Him? The answer to all of these questions is a resounding "NO!" God did not create the world because He was lonely or bored, He didn't do it because He needs us or wants all people to be a part of His family.

No, God is much more self seeking than that. He created the world for His glory. He created it to make His glory known. Or in other words, He created the world in order to display the infinite worth of His attributes. He wants to show how beautifully perfect He is.

Do you agree that God's purpose in all He does is to glorify Himself?

To begin looking into this, we need to go all the way back to Genesis 1:26-28.

Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created hm; male and female He created them. And God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.
God created man in His image. That means that God created mankind in such a way that they will reflect God's image (His glory). To reflect God's image is to reflect His greatness, His excellence, His beauty. He then commands Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful and multiply." He wants them to fill the earth with His image. So then, the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Isaiah 43:7 very bluntly states why Israel was created. It says, "Everyone who is called by my name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom, I have made."

We were created for God's glory. You were created for His glory. I was created for His glory.

What sin is
When we understand why God created, then we can understand what sin is. Romans 3:23 says, "For all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God." Sin is failing to reflect the glory of God. It is the pursuit of satisfaction outside of Him, for we glorify the things we take satisfaction in. And we have not glorified God the way we should. Instead of seeking our satisfaction and joy in Christ we have sought it elsewhere, in things like money, friends, sex, etc.

God is worthy and God is love
A few problems might arise in our mind if God created all things for His glory. For instance, why is self exaltation sinful for us, but not for God?

First of all, we aren't worthy, but God is. Secondly, God's glory is of infinite worth. If He values anything of lesser worth above Himself, He is an idolator. For an idolator is one who places anything above that which is supremely valuable (God). If God belittles His glory by valuing something else above it, He would be unrighteous, thus He would no longer be God.

Another problem that may come up is if God does everything for His glory, how can He genuinely love us and act on our behalf?

But I must ask, what could God do for us to show Him most loving? Glorify Himself, make Himself known, for it is God who most satisfies us. If He doesn't exalt Himself we can't enjoy Him. Also, for God to be for us, He must first be for Himself. For what does it mean for God to glorify Himself? It means that He makes the perfection of His attributes known. One of which is love. Because He wants to glorify Himself, He is pleased to manifest His love for His people. He loves us for His sake, not ours, this is why we can be confident of His love. We know that He will never stop being committed to His glory.

What does the scripture have to say? Does God always act for his glory?

The Election of Israel
Have you ever wondered why God chose Israel to be His people? God tells us in 2 Samuel 7:23, "And what one nation on the earth is like Thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem for Himself as a people and to make a name for Himself..."

God chose Israel to make a name for Himself. That through His dealings with this nation, His name might be known as His fame spread throughout the world.

If God chose Israel to make a name for Himself, why did He ever let them become slaves? How does that promote His glory?

God caused Israel to be slaves in Egypt precisely so He could make a name for himself by rescuing them. "Who [God] caused His glorious arm to go at the right hand of Moses, who divided the waters before them to make for Himself an everlasting name, who led them through the depths? Like the horse in the wilderness, they did not stumble as the cattle which go down into the valley, the Spirit of the Lord gave them rest. So Thou lead Thy people, to make for Thyself a glorious name" (Isaiah 63:12-14). God saved them "to make for Himself an everlasting name...to make for Thyself a glorious name."

How was God glorified in Pharaoh's disobedience? The result of Pharaoh's disobedience was the death of all the first-born of Egypt, how does that glorify God? Let's look in Exodus 4: 22-23, "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, "Israel is My son, My first-born. So I said to you 'Let My son go, that he may serve Me'; but you have refused to let him go. Behold I will kill your son, your first-born.'"

Why did Pharaoh refuse to let God's people go? The answer is in verse 21, "And the Lord said to Moses, 'When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.'" Why would God harden Pharaoh's heart in such a way that Pharaoh would be unable to obey God? He did it to multiply His signs and wonders, "But I will harden Pharaoh's heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt....But, indeed, for this cause I have allowed you [Pharaoh] to remain, in order to show you My power, and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth" (Exodus 7:3; 9:16). God caused Pharaoh to come to power and then He hardened his heart so that He might make His name great though all the earth. When Paul is talking about God's sovereign freedom in Romans 9 he quotes this last verse and then follows it with, "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires" (Romans 9:18). Why? To make His name known!

God's faithfulness to Israel
There were many other times in the history of Israel when they were disobedient and God would punish them, often by using other nations to take Israel captive. Had God forsaken them? May it never by! Why not? Because of His love, not for them, but His love for His name!

Isaiah 48:9-11 speaks of God acting for His name's sake. It says, "For the sake of My name I delay my wrath, and for My praise I restrain it for you, in order not to cut you off. Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; for how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another."

God delays His wrath, not for their sake, but for the sake of His name. He does it for His praise. He will not let His name be profaned, for His glory is of infinite value.

In Ezekial a similar situation is found. Israel had been disobedient and God had scattered them throughout the land. But God promises to bless them again and bring them back to Israel. "When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, 'These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land.' But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went. Therefore, say to the house of Isreal, 'Htus says the Lord God, "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. And I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord," declares the Lord God, "when I prove Myself holy amony you in their sight."

It says in verse 20 that God's name was profaned. In what way? These were the Lord's people. The other nation's knew that. So as they watched Israel get dispersed throughout the land, they began question whether Jehovah could keep His people. They are Jehovah's people, yet they aren't even staying in His land with Him. Israel had belittled the name of God.

But God does not sit idly by. For He never lets His name be profaned for long. No, He vindicates His name and shows Himself holy. He doesn't do it for Israel's sake. Why? Because they didn't deserve it. But God will act for His name. He will vindicate His greatness by restoring Israel and making them clean (v. 25), giving them a new heart (v. 26), and putting His Spirit in them to cause them to be obedient (v. 27).

Notice verse 32 though, "I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Lord God, let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, O house of Israel!" God wants to make it abundantly clear that He is not acting for their sake, because they don't deserve it. I ask then, "Are we any more deserving today? Or ought we also be ashamed and confounded for our ways?

The prayers of the Old Testament saints
If these things were taught in the Old Testament, did it have any effects on the saints of old, particularly in their prayers? We can get a glimpse of this in Numbers 14:15-16, when Moses was praying on behalf of the Israelites. They had been disobedient and God was going to slaughter them in the wilderness. Moses comes before God and says, "Now if Thou dost slay this people as one man, then the nations who have heard of Thy fame will say, "Because the Lord could not bring this people into the land which He promised them by oath, therefore He slaughtered them in the wilderness.'"

Do you see how slaughtering the Israelites would give God a bad name? It would make the other nations thing that God was unfaithful and wasn't powerful enough to get them to the promised land.

Moses knew that the Israelites we're disobedient and deserved to be slaughtered. But he also knew God's great concern for His name. So He pleaded for mercy on the basis of God's love for His name. He wanted God to save Israel, not for their sake, but for His!

In Daniel 9:17-19, we see how this truth impacted the prayers of Daniel. "So now, our God, listen to the prayer of They servant and to his supplications, and for Thy sake, O Lord, let Thy face shine on They desolate sanctuary. O my God, incline Thine ear and hear! Open Thine eyes and see our desolations and the city which is called by Thy name; for we are not presenting our supplications before Thee on account of any merits of our own, but on account of Thy great compassion. O lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and take action! For Thine own sake, O my God do not delay, because Thy city and Thy people are called by Thy name."

"O Lord, hear!" Why? For His name's sake!

"O Lord, forgive!" Why? For His name's sake!

"O Lord, listen and take action!" Why? For His name's sake!

Daniel's only hope was God's love for His name.

The Cross of Christ
What about the cross of Christ? Why did Jesus die? Was His ultimate purpose to save sinners? No, it was to glorify the Father.

John 17:4 says, "I glorified Thee on earth, having accomplished the work which Thou hast given Me to do."

The life of Christ brought great glory to God because He lived a perfect love of obedience through love to God.

And it is Christ's love for the Father that led Him to the cross. When Jesus contemplated His upcoming death, He was filled with great sorrow. John 12:27-28 says, "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Thy name." There came therefore a voice out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."

In His time of sorrow, Jesus' one request was that God would glorify His name. And when He prepared Himself to go to the cross, it wasn't His love for people that helped Him overcome, it was His love for God manifested in the joy of knowing God is glorified. "...for the joy set before Him [He] endured the cross..." (He 12:2). Jesus knew that His death would bring great glory to God because through His death, the righteousness of God is fully manifested.

"...Christ Jesus,; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus" (Romans 3:25-26).

The tension between God's love for His glory and God's love for sinners who have profaned His glory are reconciled at the cross of Christ. God's justice and God's mercy come together. Before the cross someone could look at the wicked prospering and ask whether God is just. For how can a just God possibly let all of this sin go unpunished? In the cross we see God's justice beautifully displayed and at the same time, His love shines forth. Therefore, the righteousness of God is clearly demonstrated in the death of Christ.

Forgiveness
God's acts of salvation are motivated by His love for His glory. In Isaiah 48 and Ezekial 36, have shown that God save His people, Israel, not for their sake, but for His. And Christ also died to save His people because of His love for the glory of God. What about the salvation of individuals? Why does God forgive us? For our sake of for His?

"Although our iniquities testify against us, O Lord, act for Thy name's sake!" (Je 14:7). "Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Thy name, and deliver us, and forgive our sins, for Thy name's sake" (Psalm 79:9).

And David said in Psalm 25:11, "For Thy name's sake, O Lord, pardon my iniquity, for it is great."

Just as David was full of sin, we too, are full of sin. We cannot save ourselves and our sin deserves an eternity of conscious torment in hell. Our only hope is to throw ourselves at the foot of the cross, crying out for mercy. We must cry out with David, "For Thy name's sake, O Lord, pardon my iniquity, for it is great." It is not for our sake that God forgives, but for His name's sake!

"I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake" (1 Jn 2:12).

Missions
How does the truth "God's love for His fame is the foundation of His mercy to desperate sinners"[1] affect missions?

Why does God send people to the uttermost parts of the world? "And I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Rosh, Tubal, and Javan to the distant coast lands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations" (Is 66:19).

If God is motivated by His love for His name, shouldn't we? "...we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles, for His name's sake." The glory of God and the praise of His name should be our motive for missions. If we support missions for any other reason, we fall short of the mark. We must delight in the glory of God so that our greatest desire is to see God's glory proclaimed among all the peoples of the earth.

This purpose is clear in 3 John 5-8, "Beloved, you are acting faithfully in whatever you accomplish for the brethren, and especially when they are strangers; and they bear witness to your love before the church; and you will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God. For they went out for the sake of the Name, accepting nothing from the Gentiles. Therefore we ought to support such men, that we may be fellow workers with the truth." This should be the condition by which the church decides to support missionaries.

Behind every act of God is His desire to make His name known. This is the foundation of our hope in missions and all that we do.

"All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; and they shall glorify Thy name" (Ps 86:9).

"For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations; says the Lord of hosts" (Malachi 1:11).

"All the earth will worship Thee and will sing praises to Thee; they will sing praises to Thy name" (Ps 66:4).

"For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Habakkuk 2:14).

"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is aboe every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11).

"God is pursuing with omnipotent delight a world wide purpose of gathering a people for his name from every tribe and language and nation."[2]

Conclusion
This truth should affect every area of our lives. We ought to pray with Moses and Daniel that God would glorify His name. We ought to labor with Paul among unbelievers for the sake of God's name. "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father" (Colossians 3:17).

"Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31).


TOPICS: Apologetics; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology; Worship
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1 posted on 01/29/2004 1:32:16 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: oldcodger; LiteKeeper; scandalon; Joshua; Jmouse007; SoliDeoGloria; sr4402; nobdysfool; ...
Glory Bump
2 posted on 01/29/2004 1:33:26 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Wow, RnMom....this is spectacular. Thanks for the post and the ping.
3 posted on 01/29/2004 1:54:34 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: RnMomof7
read later
4 posted on 01/29/2004 2:11:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: anniegetyourgun
Wow, RnMom....this is spectacular. Thanks for the post and the ping.

I especially liked it too. I thought it covered alot of things that have been beaten to death here :>)

5 posted on 01/29/2004 3:11:24 PM PST by RnMomof7
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Thanks RnMomof7!

It is this doctrine alone that truly separates the Reformed from all others. Most people think it's Predestination, the Imputation of Righteousness, or some other Calvinist doctrine, but those are merely the consequences of what truly lies at the foundation of all Reformation theology: Soli Deo Gloria.

“Not to us, O LORD, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of your love and faithfulness.” - Psalm 115: 1

"I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.” - Isaiah 42:8

“For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.” - Isaiah 48:11
6 posted on 01/29/2004 5:58:51 PM PST by SoliDeoGloria (Is 42:8 I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.)
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Thanks Rn, I'll try to read this tomorrow night sometime.
7 posted on 01/29/2004 7:11:57 PM PST by anncoulteriscool
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks for the ping.

And I second your glory bump.

This is good stuff--the kind of thing you don't get to read very often, even here.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 8:38:25 PM PST by Minuteman23
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To: SoliDeoGloria
It is this doctrine alone that truly separates the Reformed from all others. Most people think it's Predestination, the Imputation of Righteousness, or some other Calvinist doctrine, but those are merely the consequences of what truly lies at the foundation of all Reformation theology: Soli Deo Gloria.

I think sometimes we fail to to make that clear .
All of reform doctrine is dependent on a sovereign God that is worthy of all praise..for every breath He gives us, to every dollar we earn , to every child we birth ..for our very salvation .

Isa 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9 posted on 01/29/2004 9:19:32 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
God did not create the world because He was lonely or bored, He didn't do it because He needs us or wants all people to be a part of His family.

Let me get this straight: God created the world to "make His glory known," right? To whom? Obviosuly, to mankind. In the physical Creation, God cannot be known to lifeless galaxies and stars, planets and moons, or to beasts and birds, but only to Man.

In other words, God created us to know of Him and to be in awe of Him. Without us, God's greatenss is not known, because there is no other physical being capable of that.

Because we exist means that God willed it. And He willed it, because he wanted us to be aware of Him so we would glofiy Him. But want proceeds from a desire or a need to have or get.

So, if we were not needed, and not wanted, why would God will us into this world? To glorify Him? Well, then He needed someone to do that. Without someone to glotrify Him God can only glorify Himself. By creating us, it is obvious he didn't want that.

10 posted on 01/29/2004 10:16:44 PM PST by kosta50 (practice what you preach)
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To: RnMomof7
A wonderful post. Amazing how when we realize that the center of all creation is God's glory, everything falls into place.

"First you believe; then you understand." -- Saint Augustine

11 posted on 01/30/2004 12:09:17 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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Thanks for the ping :)

The Ladies Bible Study at church is currently reading The Purpose Driven Life... I must share this next week!

12 posted on 01/30/2004 6:14:20 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: RnMomof7
A very great post and a very good read.

I may be wrong (and I’m sure my Freeper brethren will let me know :O) ) but I view God’s glory as an characteristic. I may be misreading parts of the article but at times I think the author varies from a characteristic to something that God does. This is why I believe there seems to be some “problems” in understanding God’s glory even though the author addresses them (not to my satisfaction).

My thesaurus defines “glory” as magnificent, beauty, splendor, wonder, grandeur. Therefore, God’s glory is a characteristic (God’s beauty, God’s splendor, God’s grandeur, etc.). It is a part of the nature of God.

Thus, I interpret “God created all things for His glory” not as an aloof God who develops something for His divine pleasure. Instead I interpret this as a God who out of His divine nature created the universe BECAUSE of who He is. The universe exists because of who God is and God is magnificent.

A small but important distinction. God cannot “self exaltation”. The universe exists because it’s the nature of God’s glory (His beauty, splendor, etc). “He genuinely loves us and acts on our behalf” because we are part of this universe that He created because of His nature. Conversely, corruption (sin) in God’s magnificent universe must be dealt with because His glory cannot tolerate it.

As such I don’t believe God made the universe to serve man or to have man praise God. If He wanted worship He could have stopped with the angels.

It was in God’s sovereign will and characteristic of His glory to create the universe. Instead I believe man is created as the culmination of the characteristics of God’s glory and love being made in His image. That is the reason He deserves our love and worship.

13 posted on 01/30/2004 7:48:20 AM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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So, if we were not needed, and not wanted, why would God will us into this world? To glorify Him? Well, then He needed someone to do that. Without someone to glotrify Him God can only glorify Himself. By creating us, it is obvious he didn't want that.

Scripture tells us He made us for His good pleasure, not for ours and that is the point.

God has perfect fellowship and love within the Trinity . He made us to manifest His glory and to enjoy Him .Too many people today are convinced that it is man that is the center of creation ,not God.

14 posted on 01/30/2004 8:35:08 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Too many people today are convinced that it is man that is the center of creation ,not God.

One look at the night sky tells us that this is not about us. With each new discovery science confirms that we are less important than originally believed, and the Creation even more glorious than we could ever imagine.

We do know that God created us to be aware of Him and in awe of Him. Without creatures to glofiy Him God could only Glorify Himself. The fact that we exist tells us that that's not what God wanted.

The problem emerges when people confuse our special role in God's Creation as being deserving of special privilege, or for that matter of any provilege.

15 posted on 01/30/2004 6:17:02 PM PST by kosta50 (practice what you preach)
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To: RnMomof7

This article seems to be a little unbalanced. I think we should take a look at another aspect of the glory of God:

[All references from the New American Standard, unless otherwise noted.]

Psalm 115:1
Not to us, O LORD, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of
your love and faithfulness.

So, at least some of His glory is because of His "love and faithfulness." John's gospel talks a lot about God's love, and His glory. Let's see what it says.

 


John 7:
17 "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching,
whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.
18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is
seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no
unrighteousness in Him.

 

Yeshua (Jesus) did not seek His own glory, He sought His Father's glory.
 

John 8:
50 "But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51 "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never
see death."

Yeshua did not seek His own glory.
 
54 Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is
My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';

His Father sought Yeshua's glory, who glorifies Him.

 

John 11:
3 So the sisters sent word to Him, saying, "Lord, behold, he whom
You love is sick."
4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "This sickness is not to end in
death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified
by it."
5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.
 
40 Jesus said to her, "Did I not say to you that if you believe, you will
see the glory of God?"

Someone who Yeshua loved (Lazarus) was sick and died, "for the glory of God," and "so that the Son of God may be glorified."

 

John 12:
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the
Son of Man to be glorified.

27 "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, '
Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this
hour.
28 "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of
heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."

Yeshua, just before His death, said that His purpose (in laying down His life) was for His Father's name to be glorified.

 

John 13:
31 Therefore when he [Judas] had gone out, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of
Man glorified, and God is glorified in Him;
32 if God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself,
and will glorify Him immediately.

 


John 14:
13 "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.

The Father is glorified, when Yeshua does "whatever you ask in [His] name."

 

John 15:
7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you
wish, and it will be done for you.
8 "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so
prove to be My disciples.
9 "Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in
My love.
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as
(12) I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
 

The Father is glorified when we "bear much fruit." God loved us, and Yeshua loved us, and we are to "abide in this love" "If you keep my commandments." We have His example, that we are to keep His commandments, "just as He kept His Father's commandments."

 


John 16:
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you
into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but
whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to
come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to
you.

The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, and will glorify Yeshua, by disclosing to us, what belongs to Him.

 

 


John 17:
1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said,
"Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You
have given Him, He may give eternal life.
3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and
Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You
have given Me to do.
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I
had with You before the world was.

6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the
world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept
Your word.
7 "Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is
from You;
8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they
received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they
believed that You sent Me.
9 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those
whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I
have been glorified in them.

11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the
world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the
name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
12 "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You
have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the
son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

13 "But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that
they may have My joy made full in themselves.
14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from
the evil one.
16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be
sanctified in truth.
20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in
Me through their word;
21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You,
that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent
Me.

22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they
may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that
the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have
loved Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me
where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for
You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 "O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I
have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known,
so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."


The above entire chapter has much to say, about both love and glory. I wonder what verse 22 means?

DG

16 posted on 01/31/2004 2:01:05 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: DoorGunner
You have permission to worship and glorify yourself..you will fit just fine into the culture
17 posted on 01/31/2004 2:29:13 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I am going to assume that you have been having a bad day, and that you have posted this without thinking. All of us have made such posts.

I will discuss this with you tomorrow. I hope that you will be having a better day then.

DG
18 posted on 01/31/2004 8:33:45 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: RnMomof7
For Later.
19 posted on 02/01/2004 11:43:56 AM PST by oprahstheantichrist
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To: RnMomof7
He created the world for His glory.

That sounds rather egomaniacal.

He created it to make His glory known.

It would have been obvious without the creation of the world.

20 posted on 02/01/2004 11:52:44 AM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: DoorGunner
You objected to my post above that you could worship yourself if you liked.

That comment was based on this

22*** "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, **that they
may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that
the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have
loved Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me
where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for
You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 "O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I
have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known,
so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."


The above entire chapter has much to say, about both love and glory.*** I wonder what verse 22 means?***
DG

We have the Glory of God, based not on any of our merits , but on the work of Christ. He clothes the saved in His glory.

It does not mean,as much of the church seems to believe today , that man is worthy of any glory in himself or that he somehow deserves it

Even the glory we are clothed in is not ours.

Thus my comment pointed at some of the more modern theology , it was not intended as a comment specifically pointed at you , but at so many that glory their free will and the glory God has given them in Christ as some proof of their worth
21 posted on 02/03/2004 1:32:10 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
 

Thus my comment pointed at some of the more modern theology , it was not intended as a comment specifically pointed at you , but at so many that glory their free will and the glory God has given them in Christ as some proof of their worth

Thank you for this clarification.

I had hoped that I had made it abundantly clear, in the past, that I am not to be considered a part of any such "modern theology." Further, I am not aware of any such, currently posting on the religion forum. Perhaps it would be as well, if such posts were saved for that category of persons, when and if they post here.

Your Brother in Christ,

DG

22 posted on 02/03/2004 7:02:50 PM PST by DoorGunner ( Fool, Liar, Sinner, etc.(Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: RnMomof7
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father" (Colossians 3:17).

"Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Amen!
23 posted on 02/03/2004 8:13:40 PM PST by PFKEY
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