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Murdered Catholic Priest Knew Too Much?
Catholic Online ^ | March 3, 2004 | Matt Abbott

Posted on 03/04/2004 6:14:21 AM PST by NYer

The Rev. Alfred J. Kunz was a priest known and consulted by many in the Catholic Church. He was a canon lawyer, meaning he had thorough expertise in the laws of the Church -the Code of Canon Law, as it is known. He also was a staunch defender of orthodoxy, not much liked by Catholic liberals (at least, those who actually knew of him), and a thorn in the side to those who desire to see authentic Christianity wiped off the face of the earth.

In March of 1998, Fr. Kunz was found murdered. Brutally murdered. And his murder remains unsolved. For a little background of the case, I give you the following text, provided by Detective Kevin Hughes of the Dane County Sheriff's Office:

"On March 4, 1998, at 7:00 a.m., the body of Fr. Alfred J. Kunz, DOB 4/15/30, was found in the hallway of St. Michael School. The school is in the Village of Dane, population approximately 600, located in rural Dane County 5 miles northwest of Madison, Wis., the state capital.

"Fr. Kunz was the victim of a homicide. His throat was cut with an edged weapon severing the carotid artery. He died as a result of blood loss. The body was discovered by a teacher arriving at the school and was found lying in the hallway near the door to the father's living quarters in the school. All the doors to the school were locked and there was no sign of forced entry.

"Fr. Kunz was a traditional Roman Catholic priest, who had served at St. Michael Church for 32 years. He had strong traditional orthodox Roman Catholic views that were evidenced by the fact that he conducted Latin Masses as well as English Masses. He was an expert in canon law, the law of the Church, and as such many people nationwide consulted with him.

"On the night prior to the homicide, Fr. Kunz participated in the taping of a religious radio talk program, which was to be aired at a later date. After the taping, at 10:00 p.m., he was dropped off at St. Michael Church/school by another priest. Subsequent to that, at about 10:30 p.m., he had a phone conversation with another priest.

"Investigators believe the killer is someone that Fr. Kunz knew and is familiar with the village and St. Michael's. Fr. Kunz was probably not fearful of the killer. The attack was cowardly, unprovoked, and unexpected. The particular motive is unknown but may be related to jealousy, revenge, betrayal, or any other issue which was personal to the killer...."

There are, of course, at least a few theories about who, or what, might have been behind Kunz's murder. The prominent theory is that Kunz was killed because he "knew too much." About what? About the sexual misconduct of some men of the cloth. Men who were able to cover up their misdeeds for years, even decades. Men who formed the underbelly of the American church.

A significant aspect of that underbelly is the homosexual network, a network that has existed for a long time but is seldom if ever discussed in politically correct circles. Actively homosexual priests who seek to destroy the Church from within. This is the homosexual network. "Never underestimate the power of this network," Kunz reportedly once told a close associate.

Kunz was an advisor to the Illinois-based Roman Catholic Faithful (RCF), headed by lay Catholic activist Stephen Brady. RCF investigated the misdeeds of the now-former bishop of Springfield, Ill., Daniel Ryan. (For more information about RCF's work, visit www.rcf.org.)

The police are, understandably, very tight-lipped about the status of their investigation into the Kunz homicide. But, to my knowledge, the investigation continues. In fact, press reports have stated that the police have interviewed over 2,000 people during the course of their ongoing investigation.

So if and when the case is finally solved, we'll know for sure. We'll know the full story. But, until then, all we have is speculation. Educated speculation, that is. And, I would submit, a little educated speculation - coupled with a lot of prayer - can go a long way.


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1 posted on 03/04/2004 6:14:21 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; narses; ...
Interesting that Fr. Minkler from the Diocese of Albany was also an 'advisor' to RCF. Like Fr. Kunz, there is much mystery surrounding his death last month.
2 posted on 03/04/2004 6:17:58 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer
A significant aspect of that underbelly is the homosexual network, a network that has existed for a long time but is seldom if ever discussed in politically correct circles. Actively homosexual priests who seek to destroy the Church from within. This is the homosexual network. "Never underestimate the power of this network," Kunz reportedly once told a close associate.

Speaking of which... NYer, any autopsy information on Fr. Minkler?  I have some catching up to do.
FReegards.
3 posted on 03/04/2004 6:21:06 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: NYer
I wonder how much investigating is going on VERY quietly and how much information is being accumulated. Anybody who's name is made public ends up dead.

Is this network so sure of themselves and stupid to think that no one would notice priests turning up dead who just happened to be canon lawyers, orthodox and advisors to RCF?
4 posted on 03/04/2004 6:57:18 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: NYer; american colleen; Desdemona; Land of the Irish; BlackElk; AAABEST; Maximilian; Loyalist; ...
Interesting story.

It occurs to me that there is a larger dimension to the homosexual molestation scandals in the church. Many of the stories in the media focus on the behavior of the priests and the cover-ups by the bishops. The laity may also bear some burden. You have to wonder why people keep giving money to corrupt Catholic institutions. Why do they keep supporting some of these priests and bishops? Particularly when they know they are promoting a warped, liberal, watered-down version of Catholicism.

It's ironic that many of the same bishops who won't do anything about grotesque pro-abortion Catholic politicians are also the ones who do little about the homosexual abuse problems. These are the same bishops who have allowed Catholic colleges, universities, and high schools to be de-Catholicized and secularized. We're now finding that many of the most liberal bishops and priests involved in this (with liberal dissent) are also homosexuals. What does that tell you?

People have been asking what the Archdiocese of Boston plans to do with its homosexual rapist priests. What is the Archdiocese (and the Archbishop)going to do about John Kerry and his culture-of-death agenda for America and the world? What is Cardinal McCarrick doing about the use of stem cells from abortions at Georgetown University? What are all of them doing about The Vagina Monologues being forced down people's throats on Catholic campuses? Why is any of this disgusting crap happening in our church?

5 posted on 03/04/2004 7:08:30 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: NYer
Y'know,

I asked about this priest and HIS connection to RCF at the heght of the hoopla following Fr. MInkler's death. Nobody responded.

Thank you Nyer!

Note to priests working with Stephen Brady: Beware of the Lavender Mafia.

6 posted on 03/04/2004 7:12:09 AM PST by undirish01 (Go Irish! If only we can get the theology dept. turned around.)
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To: undirish01; NYer
Anyone know anything about this taped radio program Fr. Kunz was a guest for before he was murdered?
7 posted on 03/04/2004 7:20:27 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You have to wonder why people keep giving money to corrupt Catholic institutions. Why do they keep supporting some of these priests and bishops? Particularly when they know they are promoting a warped, liberal, watered-down version of Catholicism.

Because a good portion of the laity doesn't know that the teaching is watered down or that so many of the institutions are corrupt. We were brought up to believe the honesty and intergrity of the church and to trust the bishops that they lead us correctly.

Face it, there's a reason Jesus called His people His sheep. That doesn't make the people any less good or sincere, just in need of teacjing and leadership.
8 posted on 03/04/2004 7:20:40 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
No. I have not heard of this. Interesting. Way up there in Wisconsin?
9 posted on 03/04/2004 7:26:42 AM PST by undirish01 (Go Irish! If only we can get the theology dept. turned around.)
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To: NYer
Fr. Andrew Greeley has claimed in one of his books that he knows something about this murder. He has linked it to a homosexual network of bishops and priests that radiates out of Chicago.
10 posted on 03/04/2004 7:33:47 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Bump for your spot on questions, my friend.
11 posted on 03/04/2004 7:41:15 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Right you are! Few can understand the connection between homosexual abuse and dissent in general. The homosexual abuse is but one symptom of a greater crisis facing the Church.

This is a letter to the editor from Seattle Catholic:

Investigating Hubbard (2/25/04)
Editor:

Your link to the timesunion.com story, "Pope asked to search bishop's files", by Brian Nearing, reveals the extraordinary corruption of a diocese in trouble ... even a Vatican in trouble.

Quoting the last paragraph,

When asked about the letter, diocesan spokesman Kenneth Goldfarb said, "That Mr. Aretakis sent his letter to the local news media and the Vatican at the same time tells you everything you need to know about his real agenda."
Aretakis is the lawyer seeking files on Bp Hubbard of Albany, and he sent to the Vatican requesting the Pope review the secret files.

Albany diocesan spokesman Kenneth Goldfarb tells us that the simultaneous letter to both the Vatican and the media reveal Aretakis' "real agenda".

Of course it does; this is the whole point of what the present Church catastrophe is all about. Obviously Goldfarb has his head somewhere where the sun don't shine ... let me rephrase this more politely. Goldfarb and his ilk don't seem to grasp the meaning of evil, and prefer to go on promoting it.

The facts include the growing lack of trust in anything said by anyone in the Vatican, and, even easier to perceive, the utter absense of anything trustworthy to come out of some dioceses ... unless homosexuality as a clandestine occupation by clergy because they "didn't know it was wrong" is a basis for trusting the very same clergy who promote this heinous idea.

How could anyone believe such complete deception coming out of some organization, let alone what God has provided us to be the most trustworthy of all organizations?

Some of these bishops and their evil minions are so preposterous ... but it reminds me of the notorious treachery used in so costly a way by the late Adolf Hitler, which is the big lie: The bigger the lie, the more people will be deceived by it. I think also that the late Joseph Stalin employed this propaganda strategy, not to mention the Devil himself speaking to Adam and Eve, and to all others who would believe that there is something greater than God who alone can give life or take it.

These twisted prelates and associates in religious crime make common criminals such as bank robbers and murderers look good. These two crimes against the Ten Commandments are perhaps the only ones not being commited by these evil bishops who claim naiivitae ... and even these are appearing to be a part of their wicked actions; after all, priests are turning up dead every few years, and these are priests who have been at odds publically against the lavender mafia clergy.

That the Vatican does not want to intervene is a shame of shameful things.

Aretakis is making a good move by getting the media in on this. Why? Because even the anti-Church media is more trustworthy and moral than some of these dioceses and much, it appears, of the Vatican.

For a population of a diocese to allow this foul play to keep happening does not speak well of the character of such people of such dioceses. It bears false witness of their moral fellow Catholics and against Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all of creation and the whole Holy Trinity.

These are some of the foulest stench of people in history perpetrating this homosexual way of life replete with pedophilia.

Lapping up pig pens for all eternity would be too good for them in my opinion.


12 posted on 03/04/2004 7:42:03 AM PST by johnb2004
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To: NYer; Domestic Church; AKA Elena; livius; tiki; saradippity; american colleen; B-Chan; ...
Justice for the the murdered Priests.
13 posted on 03/04/2004 7:47:21 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: johnb2004
Aretakis is making a good move by getting the media in on this. Why? Because even the anti-Church media is more trustworthy and moral than some of these dioceses and much, it appears, of the Vatican.

The Holy Spirit knows what tools to use, even the unwitting Fourth Estate as a surgeon.

14 posted on 03/04/2004 7:50:04 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: GirlShortstop; NYer
Speaking of which... NYer, any autopsy information on Fr. Minkler? I have some catching up to do.

That's what I was going to ask. Shouldn't they know something by now?

15 posted on 03/04/2004 7:54:43 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Why is any of this disgusting crap happening in our church?

Because our Church, like our government has been infiltrated and compromised by evil people.

16 posted on 03/04/2004 7:58:17 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; GirlShortstop
They sould have had the autopsey report 24 hours or so after it was done. Since there has been nothing announced, it would not be out of the realm of possibilities that there is a quiet criminal investigation going on.

This ain't over yet.
17 posted on 03/04/2004 7:59:55 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: GirlShortstop
any autopsy information on Fr. Minkler?

Nothing has been released yet. Tonight, the local NBC affiliate will broadcast and interview with John Aretakis. I'll take notes and post them to the forum this evening.

18 posted on 03/04/2004 8:00:05 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: Desdemona
Ah, thank you. I sure hope so. I highly doubt that Fr. Minkler killed himself.
19 posted on 03/04/2004 8:12:49 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: johnb2004
In fact, when Roman Catholic Faithful informed the Vatican about the corruption of Bp. Daniel Ryan, one of Bernadin's Boys, it did nothing. Finally RCF went public and notified the media that this guy was picking up male prostitutes, some of them underage. RCF forced the bishop to resign in disgrace--no thanks to the Vatican which apparently had no interest in taking action on its own. Ditto with Weakland whose resignation at age 75 went unacted upon by the Vatican, despite a zillion complaints from the faithful. Only when his love affair with a priest was publicized, as well has his malfeasance in using diocesan funds to coverup his own grubby behavior, did the Vatican act with dispatch. Within days his resignation was accepted. Translation: the complaints of the laity mean nothing and justice itself means nothing. The Vatican only acts against prelates when confronted with bad publicity--or when the individuals involved are traditionalists.
20 posted on 03/04/2004 8:15:11 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Barnacle
Because our Church, like our government has been infiltrated and compromised by evil people. 16 posted on 03/04/2004 7:58:17 AM PST by Barnacle

Indeed. I can confirm that from direct personal experience.

21 posted on 03/04/2004 8:21:29 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ultima ratio
I follow the RCF website. I agree with you.

The Vatican only acts against prelates when confronted with bad publicity--or when the individuals involved are traditionalists.

It seems that way to me.

22 posted on 03/04/2004 8:38:05 AM PST by johnb2004
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To: Desdemona
I'll second that.
23 posted on 03/04/2004 8:41:28 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: ultima ratio
Don't be silly, the Vatican does investigate things. But, they usually have to do thing secretly. There aren't any papal army's around to just send where ever they fell it's necessary. I can't prove it, but I now people who have been secretly reporting to the Vatican on these things. One of them whom I knew (Or rather my mom knew) was a very famous Jesuit theologian who died recently. But I can't say more than that, since some of his former colleges didn't know what he was really doing, or know that he was frequently make secret trips to Rome after talking with them.
24 posted on 03/04/2004 8:44:53 AM PST by PeterdeVerona
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To: Barnacle; TheSpottedOwl; GirlShortstop
I wonder...this being the second advisor to RCF that's turned up dead and the first's death was investigated by the FBI, what are the chances that that's where the autopsy report went?

I've been watching too much Law & Order myself. It's only on 24 hours a day.
25 posted on 03/04/2004 8:46:23 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Desdemona; johnb2004; Barnacle; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
From what my son tells me, we can surmise that an investigation is underway. It may also mean that very quietly a federal agency is involved. If there is anything linking Fr. Minkler to Fr. Kunz in the investigation I wonder if that triggers the FBI's involvement.
26 posted on 03/04/2004 8:52:37 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Desdemona
I believe the FBI gets involved only in cases involving federal crimes or interstate criminal activity. There may be evidence that this case qualifies.

(Please correct me if this speculation is wrong.)
27 posted on 03/04/2004 8:52:56 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: Desdemona
I see we are thinking in the same vein.
28 posted on 03/04/2004 8:53:39 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Desdemona
Maybe they know something the rest of us don't? I sure hope they clear up both deaths.

Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.
29 posted on 03/04/2004 8:54:45 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: Barnacle; Siobhan
See, with everything being so quiet, and the RCF connection, it just seems like there's something else going on.

Another dead priest's death WAS investigated with the FBI, that's why I'm wondering if they're looking at this.
30 posted on 03/04/2004 8:58:05 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Desdemona
You know, I can't recall a single liberal priest who has died in mysterious and unexplained circumstances. Not a single one.

Odd, isn't it?
31 posted on 03/04/2004 9:07:55 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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To: Siobhan; Barnacle; NYer; Desdemona; livius; AAABEST
From what my son tells me, we can surmise that an investigation is underway. It may also mean that very quietly a federal agency is involved. If there is anything linking Fr. Minkler to Fr. Kunz in the investigation I wonder if that triggers the FBI's involvement. 26 posted on 03/04/2004 8:52:37 AM PST by Siobhan

Excellent question. The Church really should have its own criminal investigation unit at this point. Various dioceses have had to pay out enough in settlements, it's absurd.

With the possibility of more than one priest involved with reporting on sexual abuse being murdered, it would logically follow that law enforcement authorities should look into every possible angle. With the abusers themselves, people need to get past thinking about them as "Catholic priests" and face the fact that we may be dealing with a very anti-Catholic outside criminal element which, for whatever bizarre reasons, chooses to hide in the Church. That's disturbing, but it's a real consideration.

32 posted on 03/04/2004 9:07:58 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: undirish01
Note to priests working with Stephen Brady: Beware of the Lavender Mafia.

Now we know why they call it a mafia.

33 posted on 03/04/2004 9:08:16 AM PST by NeoCaveman (New and improved is typically neither!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
It would be nice to have a Vatican "crimes unit," but would they have the jurisdiction and power to tap phone lines? Trace e-mail? Subpoena phone records?

We're talking about murder. In canon law, does church law supersede local law for punishment of this crime? I seriously suspect this might be connected to maybe an investigation of on-line homosexual porn or something similar. That being the case, any Vatican "crimes unit" would have a rough time.
34 posted on 03/04/2004 9:16:32 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Deo volente
You know, I can't recall a single liberal priest who has died in mysterious and unexplained circumstances.

I've heard of several that have been explained - AIDS.

35 posted on 03/04/2004 9:19:30 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: PeterdeVerona
No, the silly one is yourself if you believe this. How many years did it take to crack down on FSSP? --How does around two weeks grab you? It took all of that long to exert discipline on a whole order of priests and its seminary when the principles are devout traditionalists. So much for investigations and acting slowly.

The RCF waited YEARS for the Vatican to act on the Springfield matter. In that time, in addition to his own corruption, the bishop had introduced in his parochial schools explicit sex education in even the lowest grades, including specifics on sado-masochism and oral sex. The RCF hand-delivered a dossier of evidence of sexual abuse and corruption to the Vatican and was in continual contact through Cardinal George who assured RCF action would be taken. Nothing happened. So RCF went public.

Ultimately, the proof is this: HOW MANY BISHOPS HAVE EVER BEEN FIRED IN OVER TWENTY YEARS OF WORLD-WIDE CORRUPTION AND MALFEASANCE? Answer to date: none. Second question: What's wrong with this picture?

But even if we grant for the sake of argument your contention that the Vatican secretly investigates these matters. You would suppose that after twenty some-odd years of absolute failure, some new structure would be put in place to deal with the rising tide of scandals here and abroad. Tens of thousands--perhaps hundreds of thousands around the world--of young kids have been sexually assaulted by clerics--yet nothing has happened for two-and-a-half decades to change the picture. It is business as usual. This is unacceptable. We don't need a Pontiff who organizes youth rallies and prays with Buddhist monks, we need someone who protects his Church from encompassing evils and acts with dispatch against them.
36 posted on 03/04/2004 9:22:47 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Good point. They do crack down (when they want to). Why don't they want to crackdown on liberal dissenters and the homosexual mafia in the Church? That's the problem. What's going on?
37 posted on 03/04/2004 9:27:21 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The Church really should have its own criminal investigation unit at this point. Various dioceses have had to pay out enough in settlements, it's absurd.

For Immediate Release

November 7, 2002 Washington D.C.

FBI National Press Office

(202)324-3691

FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, III, today announced that Executive Assistant Director Kathleen L. McChesney is retiring from the FBI after 24 years as a Special Agent to accept a position with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops...

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel02/110702b.htm

38 posted on 03/04/2004 9:29:57 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Why don't they want to crackdown on liberal dissenters and the homosexual mafia in the Church? That's the problem. What's going on?

They'll end up dead. The lavendar mafia has no shame, no morals and no compunction about removing obstacles (orthodox priests investigating them). I think the pope is well aware of this and has warned people not to push too hard, least they end up dead, too. It would be better to bring the whole cabal down at once and if the "undercover agents" keep getting themselves killed, it's not going to happen.
39 posted on 03/04/2004 9:32:09 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Desdemona
advisors to RCF

Hanging around with the "pizza man" may be fatal.

40 posted on 03/04/2004 9:41:59 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Desdemona
And let's be frank. Some of them are satanists. Some are communists. Some serve other secret societies. Many groups spent the entire 20th century trying to infiltrate the Church and making alliances even with their own enemies in order to defeat the greater enemy, Holy Mother Church. The smoke of satan entered the Church alright, and one of the places it took up residence was in Chicago, and another was Los Angeles, and then there was Albany.....
41 posted on 03/04/2004 9:44:30 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; BlackElk
Yeah--at least I THINK I do. He and Fr. Fiore worked a radio show which was largely catachetical/apologetics.

Produced by a guy in south-central Wisconsin (Monroe, I think) who's an acquaintance of BlackElk.

IIRC, there's not much on the radio tapes that's in the LEAST bit controversial or exceptional, and certainly not directly germane to this event.
42 posted on 03/04/2004 9:44:51 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio
Same network confirmed by Malachi Martin/Windswept.
43 posted on 03/04/2004 9:46:15 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio
love affair with a priest was publicized

Technical correction: the lover was an individual who wished to become a seminarian. The guy is also a grifter of the first water--the 'hush money' was the final straw.

44 posted on 03/04/2004 9:49:10 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Stephen Brady needs a theme or cacthphrase for his website:

"You touch-a our faith, we'll break-a your legs!"
45 posted on 03/04/2004 9:54:14 AM PST by undirish01 (Go Irish! If only we can get the theology dept. turned around.)
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To: johnb2004; Desdemona
Weakland was a problem, alright...but the Vatican's lack of "fire the SOB" sentiments has to do with a significant difference.

In most of the cases we've heard of, Bishops are alleged to be sinning against the 6th Commandment--or covering for those who do.

The Vatican will not fire someone for un-proven allegations of sexual sin, particularly if they do not cause grave scandal (and most of the allegations have not.)

The Vatican will not fire someone for following "professional advice" that the perp is cured, or should be placed 'out of contact' with children, whatever.

But the Vatican WILL fire someone for misappropriating funds, as in the case of Weakland. In that case, it was admitted (thus proven) that he had used $450K of Archdiocesan money to cover his own butt for an indiscretion. That's a big deal...

46 posted on 03/04/2004 9:54:49 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The Church really should have its own criminal investigation unit at this point.

Don't underestimate the Swiss Guard. Not all of them wear funny suits and carry halberds, you know.

Tom Clancy has a LOT of respect for that outfit.

But it is true that they don't have 200 people 'on the ground' in the USA, permanently.

47 posted on 03/04/2004 9:58:11 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
I believe he was an ordained priest.
48 posted on 03/04/2004 10:01:14 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ninenot
The charges against Weakland needed no proof. The Vatican only had to enforce its own retirement rule and accept his resignation at age 75. Instead it refused to take action and left him in place until the scandal broke. The same with Cardinal Law. He ought to have been removed, not for personal corruption, but for ineptitude. Instead his offer of resignation was rejected. Later, after the scandal intensified, it was accepted. The Vatican is never biased on the side of the faithful, always on the side of the prelates.
49 posted on 03/04/2004 10:17:55 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Deo volente
While we're getting paranoid, let's not forget the sudden demise of JPI. That too was strange.
50 posted on 03/04/2004 10:21:18 AM PST by ultima ratio
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