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 FORMER PENTECOSTAL RELATES MIRACLE THAT OCCURRED WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD
Spirit Daily ^ | March 5, 2004 | Mike Brown

Posted on 03/06/2004 7:06:00 AM PST by NYer

When we left off, we were speaking of Dr. Bob Rice, a Pentecostal minister who converted to Catholicism. That occurred five years ago this coming Easter. Before that, for 33 years, he was a healing minister in non-denominational churches -- a gifted man who says he had seen hundreds of miraculous healings [see previous story].

When his first wife died and he remarried, it was to a Catholic woman, and this eventually led to his conversion -- and a continuation of the remarkable events. Those at his Pentecostal church wouldn't accept his wife, and so he left and began exclusively attending Catholic Mass. About three months after resigning his church, he began feeling uncomfortable that he couldn't receive Communion, and so he began his journey into Catholicism.

Still, Rice wasn't convinced that Communion was really Christ's actual Body and Blood. He looked upon it as symbolic. At the same time, he kept thinking of the biblical passage that we must eat His Body and drink His Blood. And also 1 Corinthians 11:23-33, where Jesus said "this is My Body, this is My Blood."

"The Lord began dealing with me that this occurs when the Catholic priest consecrates," he says. When he asked why a Protestant minister couldn't do the same, he says, it was given to him that only a priest can do so because a priest is in the apostolic line of succession. "It's because a priest is in that succession that he has the authority to pray over the bread and wine," says Dr. Rice. "When Martin Luther was excommunicated in 1520, that broke the apostolic line of succession. Every Protestant denomination is a split from a split from a split. And they all stem from Luther."

That doesn't mean God isn't in the Protestant community, notes Rice (he saw many miracles there himself; the Holy Spirit was present), although he maintains that there is no way that Protestants can have Communion that is anything more than symbolic.

But getting back to his story: it was after being a Catholic for about a year that Rice, a former truck driver and pastor of six churches, happened to encounter exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. "Now what is this?" thought the former minister, who still possessed a few anti-Catholic biases -- and still had his doubts about the real Presence.

But they were to be dispelled that day. "As I sat there looking at the Blessed Sacrament, all of a sudden the face of Christ appeared to me in the center of the Blessed Sacrament," he asserts. "I said, 'All right, Lord, I get the picture!'"

Now -- as a lay Catholic evangelist, when he and his wife conduct a healing service -- the Blessed Sacrament is exposed and they drape a cloth around the base of the monstrance, hanging it over the front of the altar. "That cloth is to represent the hem of His garment," says Dr. Rice, who travels across America conducting parish missions. "We pray a prayer of agreement with the person. It's a simple prayer saying, 'Father I agree with my sister in prayer. I ask You Lord to grant unto her the desires of her heart. Lord let Your healing virtue flow, in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,' and I touch them on the cheeks and say, 'Be healed, in Jesus' Name.'"

Where his healing used to occur during Pentecostal services, now they occur before the Blessed Sacrament.

Rice sees the Catholic Church as a "sleeping giant." "The longer I'm Catholic and the more I study it, the more I become absolutely convinced that the Catholic Church is awesome," says the former Protestant. "The Catholic Church always has been the apostolic church -- and we ought to be acting like it. Signs and wonders and miracles and everything that took place in the Church 2,000 years ago should be happening today, because the Church hasn't changed. In Matthew Chapter 10 He called the apostles together and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out and heal all manner of sickness. In Mark 16 He says in My Name they shall cast out devils, speak with new tongues, take up serpents, they shall lay their hands upon the sick and they shall recover. In John 14:12: 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in Me the things that I do, he shall do also.'

"The Catholic Church is the apostolic Church. If people would understand what the Catholic Church really is, people would not be leaving the Church to look for greener pastures. When people leave the Catholic Church, they go to the Pentecostal or charismatic churches because they're looking for something that they're not receiving at home. They need to study their Bible and their Catechism. If they were to study that and discover what our faith is really about, they would not be looking for greener pastures. And if our Protestant brothers and sisters knew the truth about the Catholic Church, they would no longer be Protestants."

"On the day of Pentecost," he continues, "when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the 120, there was not one person there from the First Assembly of God. There was not one there from Foursquare Gospel Church or Pentecostal Church of God. The ones who were there were the founders of the Catholic Church."

In the two years that he has been conducting Catholic healing, Dr. Rice has logged 39 testimonies of people who had cancers that were healed, four blind who allegedly received their sight, and three who have come out of wheelchairs.

"I do everything I can now to lead people to the Eucharist for healing," he says. "My main message is being healed through the Mass, because if Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist -- which He is -- and if Jesus is God -- which He is -- and if God can't be separated from His power, which He can't, then that same power that was available 2,000 years ago, that caused the blind to see and the deaf to hear and the lame to walk, that power that cast out devils, cleansed the lepers, and raised the dead, that power that spoke this entire universe into existence, is also present in the Holy Eucharist because Jesus is the Holy Eucharist."

In fact Dr. Rice asserts that on one occasion there was an accident victim who was thought to have been dead for about an hour -- declared so by the police, ambulance paramedics, and upon arrival at the emergency room -- and "woke" after Dr. Rice's visited his body at the hospital, put his hands on the man, and rebuked the "spirit of death."

He says many remain ill because they are wrongfully and unworthily taking the Eucharist. Other reasons include unforgiveness in the heart -- or simply because a healing is not yet in God's plan or timing. "I believe that God can heal anybody of anything," he says. "Believe me, there is nothing that God can't do."

Dr. Rice relates an incredible miracle that allegedly occurred at St. Paul's Church in Damascus, Maryland. "What happened was that the priest asked my wife Anita if she would like to do the readings and me if I would like to serve the Precious Blood," recounts the former pastor. "Well, when it came time to serve, there were about twenty people left in the line, and there was this young boy, maybe 12 or 13 years old, who came up to me. I went to serve him and there was probably an inch or an inch and a half of the Precious Blood still left in the cup, and this kid just chug-a-lugged it.

"I was looking at this empty cup, and I was mad. I said, 'Lord, this isn't right. Some of these people are going to want to receive you and they're not going to be able to. Lord, could you see to it that everyone who wants to receive can?"

What happened next we submit for your own discernment.

"I saw this woman starting to walk towards me and I looked up at her, looked back at the cup, and there was this sip of the Precious Blood at the bottom of the cup!" says Dr. Rice. "I went ahead and served her and saw another woman walking towards me. I looked back at the cup, and there was another sip at the bottom. That happened seven times. Every person who wanted to receive the Precious Blood was able to receive it!"

At the cathedral in Venice, Florida, Dr. Rice says that the pastor dropped a Host without knowing it, as he was administering Communion to one of the servers. It fell out of the ciborium without his noticing it. "So when Anita and I went up to receive Communion, I leaned over to the priest and said, 'Father, you dropped Jesus on the floor.' He got this blank look on his face, just stunned, and I said, 'May I have the privilege of rescuing Our Lord from the floor?' and he said, 'Yes, of course.'

"And so I went up to the sanctuary area, leaned over, and picked Jesus up off the floor, then went back down around the front of the altar and bowed before the altar and consumed the Eucharist. I went back to my seat and sat down and then knelt forward.

"When I did, a flood of the Presence of God hit me like I have never felt in my life. Never have I felt His Presence like that time. I was bouncing off the walls for three hours. It was just awesome." And this former Pentecostal knows why: "When we consume the Holy Eucharist," he says, "we are consuming the God Who spoke this entire universe into existence."

[Dr. Rice's e-mail and


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; convert; miracle
Dr. Rice recently appeared as a guest of Marcus Grodi on EWTN's program The Journey Home

You can listen to his story by clicking on the following link. Noah Lett's extraordinary conversion story is also at this link. He was raised in an agnostic home, became a Lutheran minister and converted to catholicism in 1995, following an extraordinary series of ..... well, let him tell you his story.

JOURNEY HOME

1 posted on 03/06/2004 7:06:00 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; narses; ...
This is a 2 part story. To gain a greater understanding of how God called Dr. Rice to a 'healing' ministry, click on the link to the previous story. Regardless of how you feel about pentecostal ministry, Dr. Rice's story is truly humbling.

Even more humbling is Noah Lett's conversion story. He appeared last Monday on The Journey Home. Keep in mind that any time a protestant minister 'comes home', he must leave behind his ministry, a congregation, and oftentimes friends and family who do not understand their conversion. These converts have often traveled an emotional road, out of genuine and sincere faith in Jesus Christ. Their faith only serves to strengthen ours.

2 posted on 03/06/2004 7:14:31 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer
Thank you for the ping!

Blessed be our Lord.

You've inspired me this morning to seek confession today so that I may receive Him tomorrow.

Thank you.
3 posted on 03/06/2004 7:42:45 AM PST by el_chupacabra (I'm glad you were born.)
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To: NYer
The more of the Journey Home Shows I listen to, the more I am convince becoming Catholic is the right thing for me to do. Before I became interested in this, I would NEVER have listened to a religious service on the radio, let alone expend the effort to download or listen to them on the internet.

Now I can't seem to listen enough. I am so thankful for this source of inspiration. I'm listening to Noah Lett's story as I type this...mercy!

Peace:)
4 posted on 03/06/2004 8:26:18 AM PST by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: NYer
Wow.

Not an earthshaking moment like Dr. Rice's, but when I went up to be blessed (not to receive) from the priest on Ash Wednesday, as I crossed my arms for a blessing he held the Host up before me, and there was absolutely no doubt in my heart that I was looking at Our Lord in the priest's hands. Very fervent "Amen!" on my part, believe me.

5 posted on 03/06/2004 8:36:38 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: TheStickman
Are you another Episcopalian refugee? :-D
6 posted on 03/06/2004 8:37:32 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
No, I was raised in the Church of Christ and pretty serious about it till the age of 19 or 20. I stopped going after experiencing my 1st dose of hypocrisy did the usual "screw this" and just stopped going.
7 posted on 03/06/2004 8:48:43 AM PST by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: TheStickman
I've attended Church of Christ services with a good friend of my husband's. Good preaching and excellent biblical exposition, but I was raised in a liturgical and sacramental church (even though it has gone straight to Hell, and I say that "not lightly, but advisedly.")

We're Episcopalians fleeing from the apostasy in the Episcopal Church USA -- not to mention the Wrath to Come. Talk about hypocrisy - it's been institutionalized in that denomination.

8 posted on 03/06/2004 8:53:20 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: TheStickman
The more of the Journey Home Shows I listen to, the more I am convince becoming Catholic is the right thing for me to do.

Welcome home!

9 posted on 03/06/2004 9:17:13 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer
"So when Anita and I went up to receive Communion, I leaned over to the priest and said, 'Father, you dropped Jesus o­n the floor.' He got this blank look o­n his face, just stunned, and I said, 'May I have the privilege of rescuing Our Lord from the floor?' and he said, 'Yes, of course.  And so I went up to the sanctuary area, leaned over, and picked Jesus up off the floor"



How does this square with the verse that says...



"At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it."

10 posted on 03/06/2004 4:37:58 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TheStickman
***the more I am convince becoming Catholic is the right thing for me to do. Before I became interested in this, I would NEVER have listened to a religious service on the radio, let alone expend the effort to download or listen to them on the internet.***

Stickman, I don't know where you are in your journey, but as a stranger who cares, I ask you to please be sure your giving your life to Jesus Christ and not just choosing a religion.

Have you taken the time to read the New Testament and carefully consider the cost of following Jesus? He is very clear about both the obligations and the blessings of becoming his follower. He is not shy about telling us the need to repent, turn from all known sins and begin a life of faith in him and service for him.

It is a dangerous thing to put your faith in an institution. That is why Jesus left us a record of his teaching - so we can put our faith in his words.

I'm not trying to tell you not to become a Catholic. But you can become a religious person (protestant or catholic)without every really coming to know Jesus.

He warns us of this possibility in Matthew 7 when he says...

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Build your house on the rock

"Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
11 posted on 03/06/2004 4:55:03 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TheStickman
EWTN is truly a blessing, isn't it?
12 posted on 03/06/2004 9:47:53 PM PST by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment NOW!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
It is a dangerous thing to put your faith in an institution. That is why Jesus left us a record of his teaching - so we can put our faith in his words.

Jesus said his Church would be "the light of the world." He then noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.

Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing.

The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.

13 posted on 03/06/2004 11:50:45 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: Antoninus
Yes, it is. I'm thankful for the network and the folks here in FR who told me of it.
14 posted on 03/07/2004 6:20:22 AM PST by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: Antoninus; TheStickman
EWTN is truly a blessing, isn't it?

Most certainly is!

That's why I feel good about contributing.  FReegards.
15 posted on 03/07/2004 7:36:31 AM PST by GirlShortstop (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - research and sporting life - glad to have a hat)
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To: NYer
Greetings NYer!

Putting aside the details about the Church upon which we disagree... (ex. I doubt you would credit Islams 1500 year existance as proof of its "divine origin" - nor would I.


...Would you argree with my proposition originally put to the Stickman that a person can convert to a Christian/Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox "religion" but not actually come to know Christ?

In other words, that a person can be the follower of a Christian religion, but not a true follower of Christ - and therefore, in the end, wind up in hell.

Would you agree that that can happen?


16 posted on 03/07/2004 1:22:46 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator

Alex, why don’t you discuss the issue you have — whatever it is — on this thread. It is an open thread.

I am thinking you are very upset about this, probably becuase you knew this person previously.


17 posted on 07/03/2007 3:35:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TheStickman

Wonderful! I think you’ll be very happy when you’re home again. As you have probably gathered from reading FR, it can be difficult. The evil and stupidity of men is as present in the Catholic Church as it is anywhere else. But you just have to keep your eyes fixed on the Truth, know that the Church is the best place to find it, and all will be well.


18 posted on 07/03/2007 3:57:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

BTTT duriong the month of Deovtion to the Prcious Blood.


19 posted on 07/05/2007 3:37:54 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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BTTT for all to read during July, Month of the Precious Blood.


21 posted on 07/06/2007 7:45:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

BTTT for all to read during July, Month of the Precious Blood.


22 posted on 07/09/2007 9:08:51 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

BTTT for all to read during July, Month of the Precious Blood.


23 posted on 07/14/2007 10:55:57 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TheStickman

Oh, Stickman, you are on the right road. Journey Home was one of the ways the Lord drew us to the CC two years ago. Even when we were in RCIA, we would rush home Monday evenings just in time to watch it. The Lord definitely works through EWTN. Follow His leading, you will not regret it. We surely have not.


24 posted on 08/05/2007 6:20:51 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: AnAmericanMother

We started out in the (spirit-filled) Episcopal Church, too. And ran fleeing. I missed the Eucharist so terribly — that is what brought us to the Catholic Church.


25 posted on 08/05/2007 6:22:48 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NYer

So how does this former Pentecostal deal with the rampant evolutionism and Biblical criticism in the Catholic Church, which is made all the more hypocritical by its belief in miracles like this?


26 posted on 08/05/2007 6:48:18 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' tishma` 'el-divrey hanavi' ha hu' 'o 'el-cholem hachalom hahu'; ki menasseh HaShem 'etkhem.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Not unless they were daft. I haven’t been in a Protestant or Catholic Church which doesn’t preach Jesus constantly, why else would you convert? for coffee and donuts and pot lucks?


27 posted on 08/05/2007 7:12:49 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
“Not unless they were daft.”

The world, and therefore also the church, is full of daft people.

“I haven’t been in a Protestant or Catholic Church which doesn’t preach Jesus constantly,”

Ever been in an Episcopal church???

“why else would you convert? for coffee and donuts and pot lucks?”

Exactly - many people go to church - but really its a social club.

By the way - that's quite an old thread you've stumbled upon.

28 posted on 08/05/2007 8:20:13 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: NYer
To see Our Lord is very private,We have seen things but we do not repeat on radio and TV.
29 posted on 08/06/2007 9:30:01 PM PDT by fatima (Baby alert,Baby Ava arrived 6-29-07 at 3 PM-she is 10 pounds:))
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To: NYer
God gave this guy the gift of healing...Filled him with the Holy Spirit...How many people died while under this man's ministry??? So for 33 years, this guy led the congregations of 6 churches astray and into Hell...

And God realized His mistake and sent this person to the Catholic church...

If this fella was healing people and led by the spirit before he became Catholic, which spirit do you think it was...No doubt it was the same spirit that led him to your church...And the same spirit that works in him today...

In Matthew Chapter 10 He called the apostles together and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out and heal all manner of sickness. In Mark 16 He says in My Name they shall cast out devils, speak with new tongues, take up serpents, they shall lay their hands upon the sick and they shall recover.

The gifts are for a sign...The signs are for the Jews...

This guy is not qualified to teach the bible let alone be a pastor...

Catholics are a gullible lot...

30 posted on 08/13/2007 5:01:37 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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