Who is Fr. Richard Fragomeni? (vanity question)

my own skeptical curiousity | 03/06/04 | kstewskis

[kstewskis]

We will be having a priest come to our parish March 13-16th to speak about the "On-going Call to Conversion: Lived Out Through the Liturugy and the Sacraments."

His name is Fr. Richard Fragomeni, I have never heard of him (which isn't unusual). He has recently spoken at the Catechetical Congress in Los Angeles (first hesitation), and some staff members at our (liberal) parish are very enthusiastic that he is coming to our community. It is being highly encouraged that all parishoners attend his talks during that time.

Are any of you familiar with his writings? Work? More and more I get skeptical about how these "priests" are being promoted, not knowing what their background is. I'd like to do some homework before attending his talks, so I can be in the right frame of mind.

Thank you all in advance!

[Siobhan]

If he has undergone some sort of conversion to the Truth, I will dance for joy (and I'm still pretty good at an Irish step or two). So let us know. I will hold you and your parish in my prayers (inscribing into my prayer Journal). God bless!

Oh, and everyone -- Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel for Kstewskis and the parish -- and how about an Act of Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, because we need to do so at this time, okay?

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

According to Cardinal George, it was illicit. Now, the fact they still used it for Sundays certainly says something. Daily Mass was hosts. I think I can safely say, that in terms of Adults (30+), I have the most liberal communist parish in the entire country. What I am saying, is that this is a priest who wanted kneeling when he came, but the community didn't kneel cause it wasn't there thing. They are grudgingly kneeling now, and I know it isn't that hard (though they make enough noise, you'd think we asked them to do something bigger). But from talking to the Cardinal and telling him the situation, he said it was illicit, he finally put his foot down and demanded conformity to rubrics, and thankfully, he has since gotten conformity. Though the adults (30+) are still the most progressive liberal group in the country.

Do we just leave them? I think the answer is no, one has to drag them kicking and screaming back to Orthodoxy, one little issue at a time. So, according to Cardinal George it was illicit, but so are Masses with hand-holding, no "lavabo," glass chalices, etc. Still trying to figure out what my next project will be.

[GirlShortstop]

....Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel for Kstewskis and the parish -- and how about an Act of Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, because we need to do so at this time, okay?

Perfect.
Thank you for the link.

[BlessedBeGod]

He's not wearing his collar. That's enough for me.

[Maximilian]

According to Cardinal George, it was illicit.

Depending on the actual recipe, it could be either illicit or invalid. How did Cardinal George know the exact ingredients? Here is a 1979 statement by the Vatican:

"As early as 1979 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith became alarmed over the unauthorized practice in the United States of celebrating Masses with invalid matter and urged its bishops to correct the abuses. On June 4, 1979, Franjo Cardinal Seper, Prefect of the Congregation for the Faith, in a letter directed to Archbishop John R. Quinn, then president of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, among other important items, the following:

". . . It may be helpful to note that recipes sent to the Sacred Congregation over the past several years vary greatly in the matter of "additions"; where there is question of slight additions (e.g. salt, condiments) the matter will be valid but illicit; where there is question of substitution of all or a large quantity of water by other liquids (e.g. milk, eggs, honey, etc.) the matter will be invalid . . . .

It is recommended to the Bishops of the United States that they recall to their priests the need to satisfy any obligation deriving from Masses celebrated with invalid matter. These decisions were approved by His Holiness, Pope John Paul II in the audience of May 11th 1979.12

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

To my knowledge, they gave the recipe to Cardinal George, and he deemed it Illicit. Of course, the fact they thought nothing of that, is troubling as well.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Ditto on the lack of priestly collar. k, that's his third strike ;-)

[AAABEST]

If you go see him, be sure to bring the proper equipment along:

[NYer]

Certainly not everything/everyone in Albany is bad

FAITH ALERT: Fr. Richard Fragomeni, will be the speaker at the St. Augustine Diocesan Catechist Day, Sat., Feb. 3, 2001 @ Bishop Kenny Hight School. Fr. Fragomeni’s specialties include Tarot cards, New Age, seances and a particular fondness for Cardinal Mahony’s GFT Letter. A popular speaker at the dissident-driven Los Angeles annual Religious Education Congress, his theology is, at the least, unsound.

Thank you, Siobhan! That's sounds more like the ideology that prevails and emanates out of this hell hole of a diocese. It wasn't bad enough that Hubbard inflicted Fr. Dr. Vosko, the church "wreckovator" on the catholic populace of the US, he now sends out this scourge.

Kstewkis - you would gain more by staying home, tuning in to EWTN and watching reruns of Mother Angelica Live.

Here's the lenten speakers series 2004, sponsored by the Diocese of Albany:

Mar. 3 - The Internet as a Metaphor for God
Mar. 10 - A Day Apart: The Fight for the Sabbath in Judaism, Christianity & Islam
Mar. 17 - African-American Women in Church & Mission History
Mar. 24 - The Erotic Word: Spirituality & the Bible
Mar. 31 - Mar. 31 - The Sacred Depths of Nature

I understand the 'good' Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet have issued a lenten meditation pamphlet. Their Good Friday meditation is on nurturing a garden.

Trust me on this one! NOTHING good comes out of Albany! Nothing!

[sinkspur]

When the GIRM was implemented in our diocese in January, our somewhat left leaning parish has not, as of this day, implemented standing during the communion. They (the parishoners) continue to kneel, throughout the consecration and communion, which I think is great.

The GIRM calls for kneeling, not standing, during distribution of the Eucharist. So, your parish IS implementing the GIRM.

[sinkspur]

So, according to Cardinal George it was illicit, but so are Masses with hand-holding, no "lavabo," glass chalices, etc

Hand-holding and glass chalices does not render a Mass illicit.

[kstewskis]

The GIRM calls for kneeling, not standing, during distribution of the Eucharist. So, your parish IS implementing the GIRM.

It is? I'm relieved, and now confused.

I went to my neighborhood parish around the same time, and they stood during the distribution of the Eucharist (stating they were implementing the GIRM)...as did my sister's old parish in Burbank, CA.

(note, they had been doing that for a number of years, under the direction of Bishop Mahoney...not surprising)

Thanks for your imput.

[kstewskis]

imput whoops, input

[sinkspur]

Actually, the posture of the congregation during the distribution of the Eucharist is up to the discretion of the local bishop. Our bishop decided that, since most people will kneel, kneeling would be the posture used in our diocese.

So, different dioceses will likely vary.

[kstewskis]

Kstewkis - you would gain more by staying home, tuning in to EWTN and watching reruns of Mother Angelica Live.

Sounds like a great plan to me. GSS knew you'd be great resource for this info....thanks so much!

[kstewskis]

Oh, and everyone -- Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel for Kstewskis and the parish -- and how about an Act of Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, because we need to do so at this time, okay?

Bless your heart and thank you for those prayers!

[bboop]

Oh, could we do RCIA at YOUR Parish??? It is so bad in this one. I have to sometimes not go, for fear that I will breathe FIRE (Holy Prophetic Fire) on the teacher/ group. There is one gal who is coming from New Age (et AL) and asks those 'cosmic' questions of the Confused. I WISH the teacher would give those SOLID answers -- "We Christians do not believe that, but rather...." One of the teacher helpers one evening said, "The Seven Sacraments correlate with the Seven Chakras." I said, "THAT is Hinduism." She said, "Well, the Catholic Meditation teacher teaches that." I am glad to hear that you find that offensive in Arizona. aaah.

[bboop]

I agree. EWTN is great. Mitch Pacwa and Scott Hahn were out this way (LA). They were so great, reverential. But I wondered if Steubenville were the only 'Holy' Parish happening. It is probably just LA myopia, tho (??).

[kstewskis]

One of the teacher helpers one evening said, "The Seven Sacraments correlate with the Seven Chakras." I said, "THAT is Hinduism." She said, "Well, the Catholic Meditation teacher teaches that."

Eeek!

Isn't that "spiritual sabatoge?" Isn't there someone at the parish to complain to? They are not echoing Catholic Teaching. Who the heck is that "Catholic Meditation" teacher? Does he/she/it teach that deep breathing, tofu, and colonic cleansing go with the process? Heaven forbid it is a nun or priest...I sure hope not!

I am glad to hear that you find that offensive in Arizona. aaah.

Unfortunately, there is a little bit of California (and East Coast) liberalism creeping into our state little by little...but hopefully there are enough of us "refugees" to hold down the fort of conservatism (Church and Politics) along with the natives, to fend them off.

[Siobhan]

Clearly, you know the Truth. Perhaps you can offer up this RCIA mischief as a work of mercy as you pray and intercede for the others who are there -- for the teachers to have there minds opened to the Truth and for those in the class with you to have their minds, hearts, and souls guarded from the Lies of the evil one.

In time, you may discover that your primary purpose in being there was to intercede in this way by Grace and through the operation of the Holy Spirit. Were I with you I would also pray for God to send in legions of His holy angels to assist the Holy Guardian Angels in their work.