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A Fireside Chat with Cardinal George
myself | 8 March 2004 | myself

Posted on 03/08/2004 7:55:16 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat

I just got back from a Fireside Chat at my University Catholic Center somewhere in the archdiocese of Chicago. I thought I would share with any interested Freepers (Catholic Caucus especially), what his grace had to say and what the overall tone was.

It started out innocently enough with the Cardinal debunking the DaVinci Code and putting it in its proper perspective as a work of fiction. He seemed surprised that it has created so much furor, afterall, it is a work of fiction, though certainly he aknowledges, the enemies of the Church and Christianity at large have attached themselves to it for obvious reasons.

He touched on the Sex Abuse Scandal, diplomatically aknowledging some of the clean-up actions of the late Cardinal Bernadin. He then discussed how difficult an issue it is for him, cause it consumes 30-35% of his time, but more so, the extreme emotional difficulty that comes with hearing from the victims and dealing with the issues. He also explained how he has come to fully support Zero Tolerance, rather than therapy and possibly reministry for accussed priests, due to the recitivism rate among pedophiles. There of course, is a larger issue, that some on this forum have indentified, but he choose to avoid.

He spend the vast majority of time dealing with the aftermath of Roe v. Wade and the Gay Marriage situation. First he asked us a question, where we saw this country in 20-25 years, the general consensus was worse off in terms of traditional values. He agreed, and said it has to do with Roe v. Wade. He said prior to Roe v. Wade the American Legal system was the last great equalizer, before it even the voiceless had a voice. No longer, rather now it is used to enshrine rights, and as such, all legal discourse must use the language of rights (Right to Life) rather than the greater societal, institutional, community language prior to it. He said Gay Marriage is much the same way. Except here we have the making of a Totalitarian State. The State is now defining an institution which prior it had no business defining. Which is precisely what Totalitarian States are all about. Thus as Catholics we cannot withdraw and say, well it is there choice. Rather we must fight, and we must say, that Natural Law dictates as well as Tradition.

His most sobering comment concerned the status of the Church in twenty years. His foresees the Catholic Church being forced underground as in China (with less physical persecution). He argued that for example, a woman sues the Church to be a priest saying it is her right. She gets five justices to agree that it is a right. The Church cannot argue legally from a sacramental standpoint, because Roe v. Wade changed the argument from institutional and community to individual rights, as such the Church must argue on the basis of rights, and here has no argument. The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

He finally closed with the need for a New Evangelization to reach out to the post-Christian World, Europe and America and bring them back. To do so, one must use both Faith (Bible and Tradition) and Reason. Again arguing that it is vitally important to the Faith.

This is a brief summary as best as I can remember, it was a powerful talk, he talked for 2.5 hours.

God Bless


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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God Bless
1 posted on 03/08/2004 7:55:17 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: Salvation; NYer; AAABEST; CAtholic Family Association; Patrick Madrid; Loyalist; Desdemona; ...
Ping!! (Discussion, Reflection)
2 posted on 03/08/2004 7:57:07 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: VermiciousKnid
Ping!
3 posted on 03/08/2004 7:57:47 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Ping!!!!

Plus, anyone know how to put together a ping list, cause I am getting sick of trying to remember everyone's handle and forgetting people.
4 posted on 03/08/2004 7:58:59 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC; Askel5; NYer; saradippity; livius; tiki; Romulus; american colleen; Desdemona; ...
I am floored. Thank you for posting this.

I wave my shamrock and declare this a MUST READ.

5 posted on 03/08/2004 8:12:27 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Siobhan
Cardinal George is brilliant, his anaylsis was incredible, so realistic and so scary.
6 posted on 03/08/2004 8:13:34 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
He argued that for example, a woman sues the Church to be a priest saying it is her right. She gets five justices to agree that it is a right. The Church cannot argue legally from a sacramental standpoint, because Roe v. Wade changed the argument from institutional and community to individual rights, as such the Church must argue on the basis of rights, and here has no argument. The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

This is a bit hysterical. I'm sure George is hacked over the California decision, where Catholic Charities must offer insurance for contraception.

If the Church continues to crawl into bed with the federal government (read: vouchers, Faith-based initiatives), and takes government money then it will have to do what the government tells it to do.

7 posted on 03/08/2004 8:14:35 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
This is a brief summary as best as I can remember, it was a powerful talk, he talked for 2.5 hours.
God Bless


Thank you!
BUMP
8 posted on 03/08/2004 8:21:53 PM PST by GirlShortstop (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - research and sporting life - glad to have a hat)
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To: All
He asked for your prayers as well, for The Church and for himself, that he might be better able to lead.
9 posted on 03/08/2004 8:25:41 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Very nice summary, I wish I had been able to attend. It would have been nice to hear his thoughts on all of these issues that you mentioned. Now, your job is to see if you can guess who this is ;-).
10 posted on 03/08/2004 8:33:45 PM PST by Eisenhower ("A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." - Robert Frost)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

There'll be riots in the streets. I can't believe it'll ever happen.

11 posted on 03/08/2004 8:36:18 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: BlessedBeGod; sinkspur
Let Sinkspur help explain.

It's going to happen.
12 posted on 03/08/2004 9:31:20 PM PST by Askel5
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To: sinkspur
If the Church continues to crawl into bed with the federal government (read: vouchers, Faith-based initiatives), and takes government money then it will have to do what the government tells it to do.

You have a point... but... there is this thought, "government money" is the taxpayer's money, including the Catholic taxpayer. The services provided by Catholic Charities are not limited to Catholic recepients; in fact the religious affiliation of the recipient is irrelevant. Evangelization of the recipients is branded "proselytizing" and it is a big PC "no-no."

The court has no right to impose immorality on a Catholic institution and the local Bishop should scream "FIRE!" right away. If the Bishops begin to pact tenderly with the devil they will lose big time and the whole US Church will lose big time.

The strings attached to the Catholic Charities subsidies should never compromise the faith. "You cannot serve both God and money."

14 posted on 03/08/2004 10:42:04 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: NWU Army ROTC
The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

"It can't happen here."

I do think that's too short a timeframe. Then again, His Eminence has more connections than I do.

15 posted on 03/08/2004 11:22:39 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Scary prediction for the future. He's probably right.
16 posted on 03/09/2004 12:27:15 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: NWU Army ROTC
His most sobering comment concerned the status of the Church in twenty years. His foresees the Catholic Church being forced underground as in China (with less physical persecution).... His actual timeframe was ten years.

Bumpus ad summum

17 posted on 03/09/2004 3:25:34 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Thank you for the ping. You've done a great job describing Cardinal George's discussion.

Regards,
18 posted on 03/09/2004 3:42:46 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Thanks. Nothing like a little optimism to start the day!
19 posted on 03/09/2004 5:06:17 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Thanks for the ping.

It will start with them yanking our tax exempt status.

20 posted on 03/09/2004 6:10:51 AM PST by NeoCaveman (New and improved is typically neither!)
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