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To: Gilead
"Please provide any evidence of the author of this writing engaging in pagan worship. That is deeply insulting."

I'll be happy to compile as soon as you can provide me with Biblical evidence of reincarnation. Chapter and verse please. If it isn't in the Bible it's pagan. Instead of being insulted I would suggest familiarizing yourself with God's word.

9 posted on 03/14/2004 11:34:05 AM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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To: HarleyD; Gilead
(NIV)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life leads upward for the wise to keep him from going down to the grave.

Footnotes
1. 15:24 Hebrew Sheol

(NASB)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life leads upward for the wise That he may keep away from Sheol below.

(MSG)
Proverbs 15
24 Life ascends to the heights for the thoughtful--it's a clean about-face from descent into hell.

(AMP)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of the wise leads upward to life, that he may avoid [the gloom] in the depths of Sheol (Hades, the place of the dead).

(NLT)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of the wise leads to life above; they leave the grave behind.

Footnotes
1. 15:24 Hebrew Sheol.

(KJV)
Proverbs 15
24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

(NLV)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life leads up for the wise, so he may keep away from hell below.

(ESV)
Proverbs 15
24The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

(CEV)
Proverbs 15
24 All who are wise follow a road that leads upward to life
and away from death.

(NKJV)
Proverbs 15
24 The way of life winds upward for the wise, That he may turn away from hell below.

Footnotes
1. 15:24 Or Sheol

(KJ21)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life is upward for the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

(ASV)
Proverbs 15
24 To the wise the way of life goeth upward, That he may depart from Sheol beneath.

(YLT)
Proverbs 15
24 A path of life [is] on high for the wise, To turn aside from Sheol beneath.

(DARBY)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life is upwards for the wise, that he may depart from Sheol beneath.

(NIV-UK)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life leads upward for the wise to keep him from going down to the grave.

(JPS)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life goeth upward for the wise, that he may depart from the nether-world beneath.


path from the Hebrew
734 'orach o'-rakh
1) way, path
a) path, road
b) the path, way, passing of life (fig.)
c) way of living (fig.)
d) traveller, wayfarer (meton)


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 58 AV - way 26, path 25, highway 1, wayfaring man + 05674 08802 1, manner 1, race 1, ranks 1, traveller 1, troops 1; 58

the way - the path = way of living

(NIV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked return to the grave(1), all the nations that forget God.

Footnotes
1. 9:17 Hebrew Sheol

(NASB)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked will return to Sheol, Even all the nations who forget God.

(AMP)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned back [headlong into premature death] into Sheol (the place of the departed spirits of the wicked), even all the nations that forget or are forgetful of God.

(KJV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

(NLV)
Psalm 9
17 The sinful, all the nations that forget God, will be turned back into the grave.

(ESV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God.

(NKJV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, And all the nations that forget God.

(KJ21)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

(ASV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned back unto Sheol, Even all the nations that forget God.

(YLT)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked do turn back to Sheol, All nations forgetting God.

(DARBY)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned into Sheol, all the nations that forget God.

(NIV-UK)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God.

(JPS)
Psalms 9
18 The wicked shall return to the nether-world, even all the nations that forget God.

turned from Hebrew
7725 shuwb shoob
1) to return, turn back
a) (Qal)
1) to turn back, return
a) to turn back
b) to return, come or go back
c) to return unto, go back, come back
d) of dying
e) of human relations (fig)
f) of spiritual relations (fig)


There's more to the above, but it's super long. The above is the first portion.

I just found it curious that Proverbs 15:24 indicates that the path of life, or the way one lives their life, allows one to ascend and 'depart' from the nether-world/sheol/hell.

Meanwhile, Psalms 9:18 indicates that the wicked are 'returned' back to the nether-world/sheol/hell

Just a possibility, mind you.

(JPS)
Proverbs 15
24 The path of life goeth upward for the wise, that he may depart from the nether-world beneath.

(ASV)
Proverbs 15
24 To the wise the way of life goeth upward, That he may depart from Sheol beneath.


(JPS)
Psalms 9
18 The wicked shall return to the nether-world, even all the nations that forget God.

(ASV)
Psalm 9
17 The wicked shall be turned back unto Sheol, Even all the nations that forget God.


The first set of verses:

If we look or think of heaven as being upward, then existence here on earth, might be viewed as being below, beneath. Could it be that what we think of as life here on earth is actually sheol,hell,the nether-world?

The first set also indicate that the way we live our lives, allows us to ascend up, away from the nether world/hell/sheol. Here on earth is the time when we 'live our lives' as far as being able to follow the path of life, or to follow 'the way' of life.


The second set of verses indicate that the wicked get returned to sheol/hell/the nether-world.

Do wicked people have to keep returning to hell/sheol/the nether-world -- earth, until they understand that they need to live righteous lives to escape this earth bound cycle?

Matthew 17
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

The spirit of Elias, being the same spirit as that of John the Baptist???

If YHWH incarnated to the earth as Yehoshua (which I doubt YHWH did), is there anything which would prevent YHWH from doing such a thing prior to the existence or after the existence of Yehoshua?

YHWH can do anything, and I would think He could do anything He wants as often as He sees fit to do it. Including re-incarnating as often as needed, or allowing a prophet or 'teacher' to reincarnate as often as needed.

"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." (Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4 )

Confucious predates Yehoshua by about 500 years.
12 posted on 03/14/2004 12:55:39 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Psalm 146:3 - Put not your trust in Princes, nor in the Son of Man, in whom there is no help.)
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To: HarleyD
Do you have another explanation for these verses? Why would you say that anything not specifically stated in the Bible is pagan? IN the Old Testament, blood sacriffice was the atonement act for sin. There are many that would call that pagan.

Again, what is your interpretation that would bring a greater sense to the verses mentioned?

20 posted on 03/14/2004 3:35:42 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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