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Moscow Patriarchate calls Mel Gibson’s movie useful remedy
itar-tass ^ | 03-26-04 | itar-tass

Posted on 03/25/2004 9:35:56 PM PST by MarMema

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To: MarMema; PeoplesRep_of_LA
And CNN, etc, are all terrific. Just look at what a great job our press is doing to report on the catastrophes and atrocities in Kosovo right now. Not one word from our "free and open press".

No, they are not terrific. But this is just some of the reporting from the last week or so.

    Peacekeepers Launch Raids in Kosovo
    NATO Steps Up Security in Kosovo
    NATO-Led Forces Surround Key Kosovo Town
    NATO, Germany Send More Troops to Kosovo
    NATO Sends Troops Into Strife-Torn Kosovo
    White House Wants Kosovo Violence to Stop
    Albanians Torch Churches, Homes in Kosovo
    Kosovo marks NATO air war
    Day of mourning in Kosovo
    Thousands mourn Kosovo children
    NATO strengthens Kosovo force
    Tense calm prevails in Kosovo
    Six killed in Kosovo clashes
    Clashes across Kosovo leave 10 dead

61 posted on 03/28/2004 1:36:49 AM PST by Titanites (DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
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To: findingtruth
Same for the Orthodox and their boy Slobodan Milosevic.

Please elaborate.

62 posted on 03/28/2004 5:22:15 AM PST by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Titanites
None of your links worked.
63 posted on 03/28/2004 7:57:45 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: RussianConservative
As for Islam, your moral equivalism speak volumes of lack of character. I switch you off at comparison of Catholics and Islam

Do you really not understand satire, or are you just pretending to be dumb?

64 posted on 03/28/2004 8:46:37 AM PST by findingtruth
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To: MarMema; PeoplesRep_of_LA
None of your links worked.

Sorry about that; I used the wrong style of quotation marks. Try these links.

    Peacekeepers Launch Raids in Kosovo
    NATO Steps Up Security in Kosovo
    NATO-Led Forces Surround Key Kosovo Town
    NATO, Germany Send More Troops to Kosovo
    NATO Sends Troops Into Strife-Torn Kosovo
    White House Wants Kosovo Violence to Stop
    Albanians Torch Churches, Homes in Kosovo
    Kosovo marks NATO air war
    Day of mourning in Kosovo
    Thousands mourn Kosovo children
    NATO strengthens Kosovo force
    Tense calm prevails in Kosovo
    Six killed in Kosovo clashes
    Clashes across Kosovo leave 10 dead

65 posted on 03/28/2004 8:59:03 AM PST by Titanites (DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
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To: Titanites
Thanks for posting those. They are weak compared to what really happened though.

The story is worthy of a book, imo. Incredibly courageous men, from Ireland, Czechoslovakia, Italy, Greece, and the US, risked their lives to rescue elderly Serbians, mostly women who were being beaten by mobs of young men.

Some of the story is reminiscent of Black Hawk Down. In one village Irish peacekeepers were surrounded and about to be killed by Albanian mobs, so they called for help. I think it was 30 US troops that came and fought their way in to bring out the Irish, ten of them seriously wounded.

In another town only 9 Irish peacekeepers managed to rescue 120 elderly Serbs from apt buildings. They had to take the building one floor at a time, like SWAT teams. The mobs numbered in the thousands in most cases.

The raging mobs set afire some 10-12 Kfor vehicles and burned down the Bulgarian peacekeeper headquarters and lodging.

There are hospitalized Greek, Irish, and I think Italian peacekeepers, some in critical condition. A Swiss general is furious over attacks on his men ( not the Serbs, though he vows to protect them in the future) and says many of them narrowly missed death.

This was an attempted takeover, not a "clash" or some little episode of street fighting.

What this has done is turned the peacekeepers against the muslim terrorists and shown the world who the truly bad guys are in Kosovo. I believe the latest count is over 100 homes ( all Serbian) and about 38 churches burned and destroyed. Graffiti on them saying "Death to the Serbs". It should be headlined foreign news, do you not agree? Where is the CNN constant footage of refugees packed into camps and evicted from their homes?

Where is the glory for these men who did such outstanding jobs? ( note that I did not mention the French and Germans, many of whom, they say, looked the other way as the mobs burned churches).

That's some goood peoples you have in those countries, btw, Ireland, Italy, Czechoslovakia.

66 posted on 03/28/2004 4:53:34 PM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: Titanites
Wow, what a great bunch of links...fantastic work. I see the resident cheerleader for all things Russian did a 180 and claimed all 14 were not enough and then ranted about what you already knew. Kind of like John Kerry or Richard Clarke, when a baseless accusation like the "government controled" Western media "didn't cover" something-change direction and claim victory all along. In any event; 1000 thank yous for doing the homework I should have but didn't bother for this angry misguided person.

You shined the light of truth & set this thread straight.

67 posted on 03/29/2004 7:36:59 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Some others disagree with you, here and here.
68 posted on 03/30/2004 9:47:26 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
Obviously this is your personal crusade given that you are posting these threads and vanities, however it has little relation to the 14 mainstream press articles on the topic. It deserves more attention than its gotten, but you cannot claim that it has been spiked- like say the media has to the circumstances of how John Kerry received his silver star. I understand your deep kinship with those people, I have often admired the passion that Serbs have for one another, and I do hope you defeat the Muslim Albanians who clearly had no sway with Al Quada when we pandered to them in the late 90s.

More importantly, the Serbian war has positively NOTHING to do with Russia other than they are an ally of the Serbs. You are unfortunately displaying to narrow of a worldview, as Russia has its own struggles unrelated to the war in Kosovo. I think the best thing for Russia is to discuss those problems and corruptions rather than brush them aside with the "Well so's your old man!" style of debate.
69 posted on 03/30/2004 10:10:13 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
It is far from just my personal crusade,but a concern for many here on FR, including a large number of non-Orthodox, quite a few of whom are sending donations.

Some people, who are not Serbian or Orthodox, believe this is affecting all of Europe. You are simply *very* uniformed.

Experts estimate that 40% of all of Europe's heroin trade runs through and is run by the Albanians currently terrorizing Kosovo. Child and adult prostitution rings are rampant among these same "holy" muslims. This is part of why it is a great concern for the Italians, Greeks, and Czechs, who fought heroically to save Serbian people.

If you read some of my recent threads you will see many, many freepers weighing in with concerns about the future of Christianity and Europe. Probably you were unaware that Bosnia is the home of training camps for Al Quaida.

I will ping you to a few threads...

70 posted on 03/30/2004 10:24:41 AM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: findingtruth
The relation of the Muslim extremists with the religion of Islam is entirely different from that of the Irish Republican Army and Roman Catholicism and that of the Ku Klux Klan and Protestantism. While the IRA is made up of people of Irish Catholic background, it is an organization of Marxists who wish to establish a secular, socialist state to replace both British rule in Northern Ireland and the democratic regime in the Republic of Ireland. Their patron saints are Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Lenin, not St. Patrick, St. Augustine, or St. Thomas Aquinas. The KKK is made of people of white American Protestant background; however, its white supremacist ideology derives from the racist psuedo-science popular in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries in the U.S. and Northern Europe. White or Nordic supremacy theories draw more from Origin of Species, The Passing of the Great Race, and The International Jew than from Scripture.

Muslim militancy, however, is clearly derived from their Islamic faction and its interpretation of the Koran. Their vision is also drawn from an historical tendency within the Muslim religion. The IRA member cares nothing for the Catholic Magisterium; the KKK member considers the Bible window dressing for his secular racist agenda; the Muslim militant reveres the Koran as his sole guide to life and the ordering of society.

71 posted on 03/30/2004 10:34:01 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: MarMema
It is far from just my personal crusade,but a concern for many here on FR, including a large number of non-Orthodox, quite a few of whom are sending donations. Some people, who are not Serbian or Orthodox, believe this is affecting all of Europe. You are simply *very* uniformed.

Its not that I am uninformed, its that you are mixing the mission with the man. While Serbians need to defeat the Muslims for the good of Europe, that is unrelated to Vladimir Putin. Of course he is an ally, the Russians have long long been allies of the Serbs, that was one of the major factors in WWI, but you cannot let his expression of loyalty cloud the fact that there are major MAJOR problems with Putin and Russia today that could directly affect America.

Serbia is not my issue, and wasn't from the beginning, Putin was. His government was directly involved with arming Iraq...even during the war! Luckily the night vision goggles he tried to help the Republican Gaurd with turned out to be junk, but the point remains, Putin's actions related to America are questionable-- at best.

Now you mix in his powergrab in Russia, with the "strange" investment he is personally making in warheads to defeat SDI herewhere there is no logic to defeating a missle defense shield--unless you want to FIRST STRIKE. Now he has a history of dealing with Iraq against our wishes, but he also has a history of dealing with Iran, North Korea, and China. I knew a Russian that lived in Iran but wouldn't tell me why, (KGB) they have been in bed with those Islamofacists for years, they don't even keep that much of a secret, they also supported the Palestinians and the IRA, because they believe my enemy's enemy is my friend. Well we aren't supposed to be enemies with Russia any longer, and I wish that we were not, however Putin's actions express a different situation, and I don't want to have a nuclear bomb detonate over LA from North Korea with Russian technology because we didn't confront Putin simply because he is a good politician who claims to be friendly to the US.

72 posted on 03/30/2004 11:31:33 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Well don't let your meds run out. Just a few years ago I hitchhiked around Moscow with a young child and had a safe and wonderful time. You read too many weirdo sites. Try going there someday. Paka.
73 posted on 03/30/2004 7:55:54 PM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
Why do you insist on being so insulting? Actually I know why, so you don't have to deal with the difficult situation of a close ally being untrustworthy, I feel the same way about the King of Jordan for the US.

Just a few years ago I hitchhiked around Moscow with a young child and had a safe and wonderful time.

What the...? What in the wide world of sports does backpacking around Russia have to do with nuclear proliferation? Sometimes you really do have your own conversations over there, its how we got into the ugly misunderstanding before. How is CNN a "weirdo" site? Liberal yes. Heck Putin is admitting to anyone who will listen his desire to create the supersonic missle for the express purpose of defeating my country's defense shield. He's proud of it. People need to ask why BEFORE the Westside of LA is a million degrees celsius and every survivor is pointing fingers about how this could happen.

Putin is a stabilizing force for the Russians in a difficult time who's strict order is bringing unprecidented success, just like Stalin. I'm not saying his character is like Uncle Joe's, but his positives for Russia should not be the only measure of the man.

Despite minimal voter traffic at polling places in cities in Chechnya, election officials claimed turnout in the war-torn region reached nearly 90 percent and that nearly 93 percent voted for Putin, who rose to prominence by launching the latest war there as Russia's prime minister in 1999. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20040315-0719-russia-election.html Come on now, I wasn't born yesterday. This is so bad its laughable! Most democracies don't even get 50% voting, even on an empassioned vote, and that's in areas where its not war torn from a war launched by the guy 90% of the muslims are voting for? When the dead vote in Chicago to reelect the Demos its more plausable and less intellectually insulting.

My point remains; Be careful who your friends are Paka, God bless in your struggle to bring the news of the Balkin Muslim war crimes to Americans, but don't hitch your cause to the former head of the KGB simply because he's spouting populist statements about helping the Serbs.

74 posted on 03/30/2004 9:01:08 PM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: Domestic Church
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75 posted on 04/11/2004 8:00:14 PM PDT by MarMema
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