30,000 Protestant Denominations?

Calvary Press ^ | 2002 | Eric Svendsen

[HarleyD]

As difficult as this is for you to comprehend this, God is in control. If there are only 21 Protestant (verses 12 Catholics) denominations I would say that we don't need a lot of "reigning" in.

[OLD REGGIE]

Everybody who is baptised Catholic is irrevocably marked as a Catholic. But such a person, to say the least, would not be a member in good standing. A first generation protester against the faith is the most culpable of those caught up in the Protestant revolt.

Or - those who become so disgusted they just quit the RCC and become agnostics or athiests. Are they part of the "Protestant" revolt?

[Codie]

And I would say God is confused.

[Titanites]

Protestants regard none of the differing opinions on the points you have mentioned as violations of our unity.

To what unity do you refer? You conveniently skipped conservonator's questions:

Is baptism symbolic or efficacious? That is an essential. Is Christ present in communion? That is essential. Did Christ die for all men or some preordained men. That is essential.

Care to give a plain spoken answer to his questions?

[HarleyD]

"And I would say God is confused."

I'm sure you would.

[HarleyD]

Micah 6:8 "He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?"

Hmmmm...nothing about baptism.

[conservonator]

Hmmmm...nothing about baptism.

So are you saying that baptism is not essential?

[Tantumergo]

"I don't know ... it would look like nothing but gross hypocrisy to me."

Yup! Did the trick for Clinton and Blair though, didn't it? (gross hypocrisy that is!)

[HarleyD]

I think that would fall under the category of walking "humbly with your God". Is it necessary for "salvation" - NO. But then, that's the Calvinist in me.

[nate4one]

Well, if protestant means "not a Catholic" then I am. However if it means something more specific, I probably am not. I do not align with titles other than Christian. Some may call me other things because my beliefs are in line with certain theologies, but I do not like titles as "Pentacostal, Calvinist, Reformed, etc."
I believe my beliefs come from the scripture of the protestant Bible.
God Bless
Nate

[kosta50]

post #30 kosta50 (last paragraph)

Negative! I did not attach Cardinal mahoney to that quote; drstevej did. I have no idea who this cardinal is.

[kosta50]

According to Conservonator that's one too many.

He said it. The Orthodox Church did not change or add to its theology that was not agreeded upon when the Church was united and theorefore the Greek and the Latin rites were theologically the same. That Church remains unchanged, original, true, and if it was true the first 1,000 years of the Christian Era, then I submit, it still is!.

[drstevej]

Your quote: ******the true Church will be one theologically,***

My citation of Mahony as an example of a Cardinal whose views are certainly NOT theologically one with Rome.

[Quester]

To what unity do you refer?

To Protestant unity.

Protestants have as much a right to define the bases for their unity as Catholics do for theirs.

You conveniently skipped conservonator's questions:

I didn't conveniently skip conservonator's questions ... I purposely skipped them ... because they serve no purpose in advancing this discussion.

I will repeat ... by the definition of Protestants, ... per our study of scripture ... any difference of belief that Protestants have regarding the questions you have raised do not violate Protestant unity.

We do not throw anyone out of the Protestant church just because their belief regarding these matters are not identical.

I realize that such a thing is antithetical to the Catholic way ... but, that's, in part, why we are Protestants.

[Titanites]

Protestants have as much a right to define the bases for their unity as Catholics do for theirs.

That's what I was asking you to do - define your unity.

any difference of belief that Protestants have regarding the questions you have raised do not violate Protestant unity.

I thought that's what you had been telling us - that Protestants agree in core belief. But from this statement of yours I guess you are saying they don't. So what Protestant "unity" are you talking about if it is not in belief?

[nate4one]

That is because I do not believe in the resurrection of the flesh and I believe ALL prophecy has already been fulfilled. I guess the resurrection of the flesh is the critical point I disagree with. The others I agree with, I just put them in the past.

God Bless
Nate

[nate4one]

The only thing that binds all believers is Love. Your unity is false. It is easy to say "whatever the pope says goes." However if you think anyone truly believes all Catholics agree on all points of the faith, you are mistaken. You are united by a misguided notion that the RC church deserves your undying loyalty. Nothing more.
God Bless
Nate

[Quester]

I thought that's what you had been telling us - that Protestants agree in core belief. But from this statement of yours I guess you are saying they don't. So what Protestant "unity" are you talking about if it is not in belief?

Tell you what ... if the differences in Protestant belief are too much for you ... simply consider such as a point in disagreement in the Nicene Creed (though Protestants don't).

There is still the remainder of those creeds (the Apostolic and Nicene) that Protestants agree upon.

[GirlShortstop]

We're supposed to believe that every independent Baptist Church and every one of their pastors is "identical in belief and practice"?

Religion of Redundancy Religion.    :-)

[Quester]

Correction to post #138

I thought that's what you had been telling us - that Protestants agree in core belief. But from this statement of yours I guess you are saying they don't. So what Protestant "unity" are you talking about if it is not in belief?

Tell you what ... if the differences in Protestant belief regarding baptism are too much for you ... simply consider such as a point in disagreement in the Nicene Creed (though Protestants don't).

There is still the remainder of those creeds (the Apostolic and Nicene) that Protestants agree upon.