I've often heard this number (or something like it) used. Enlightening article.
posted on 03/31/2004 10:31:29 AM PST
So you concede there are 20,000+ protestant denominations! Ha! /sarcasm
posted on 03/31/2004 10:39:17 AM PST
To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; RnMomof7; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...
Pinging the Elect for your interest.
posted on 03/31/2004 10:43:02 AM PST
(READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
Good article and we apologize
Now how about Catholic bashers apologizing for accusing Catholics of 'worshipping Mary' and worshipping "idols'
Everyone needs some edification sometimes
posted on 03/31/2004 10:54:22 AM PST
(Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
Wonderful refutation, Harley.
And the truth would be even less of a target if more Protestants followed Calvin's horizontal hierarchy of ecclesiastical responsibility.
Those bellicose Baptists always screw-up the curve. 8~)
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." -- Matthew 7:14
posted on 03/31/2004 11:11:50 AM PST
by Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
Yet the lions share of Baptist denominations are independent, making them (in Barretts calculation) separate denominations. In other words, if there are ten Independent Baptist churches in a given city, even though all of them are identical in belief and practice, each one is counted as a separate denomination due to its autonomy in jurisdiction.
We're supposed to believe that every independent Baptist Church and every one of their pastors is "identical in belief and practice"?
Even if the number was as small as two, that would be one too many.
This is an interesting link.
posted on 03/31/2004 12:57:17 PM PST
(Blank by popular demand)
To: HarleyD; AAABEST; SoothingDave; conservonator
The figure for the number of Protestant denominations (in the US) is actually in excess of 38,000. It is published accurately and updated each year by some independent people who I understand you all love very much over there.
I believe they are known as the IRS, and the figures are listed in the IRS Survey. The last figures were published just a few weeks ago.
I will grant you, however, that they are probably not the best qualified to determine theologically what exactly constitutes a denomination.
These figures will always be high because of the practice of some Baptists of valuing the absolute independence of every local congregation.
As for the author of this article claiming there are 200+ "Catholic denominations" he clearly has no understanding of Catholicism. If you are in communion with the Pope then you are at least nominally a Catholic - if you are not then you are not.
There can be no "Catholic denominations" because the Catholic Church does not recognise any denominations as Catholic. She cannot be defined, limited, or de-limited by any outside her pale, because no-one outside her pale has been given the authority by God to do so.
As a evangelical christians I will book mark this for future use. Thank You. Great article on denominations within and out of christianity.
Since confession is good for the soul, I'd like to admit that I started 15,000 of them and have joined the other 14,999.
The only one I haven't been so far is OrthoCalviPrethOlic.
(But I have used it as a bug spray on my garden.)
posted on 03/31/2004 5:33:32 PM PST
(Retired Army and Proud of It!)
More of the same babble by people who don't even know definitions of terms being used in their "arguments."
Let's take up the definition of the word religious denomination for starters (acc. MW dictionary):
"a religious organization uniting local congregations in a single legal and administrative body." [my emphasis]
Obviously, this has nothing to do with what church you can go to as a Protestant, but rather under whose jurisdiction that church falls. Methodists and Presbyterians and Baptists are not one and the same legal
and administrative body
, and are therefore not part of one Protestant "Church," but an atomized group of churches that have, beside the common belief in Christ and Triune God, in common a few other beliefs (denying Sacred Tradition, denying the auhtoirty of the Pope, the infallibility of the Church, Bible-only doctrine, Salvation by faith Only, etc.). Outside of that, their worship is as different as it gets, what is Biblical is as diffferent as it gets, and generally everything outside of the very core is subject to rationalization
by choice and taste.
The author of this piece obviously doesn't understand that the Eastern Orthodox Church represents a communion of churches that forms one "legal" and "administrative body," that it is catholic in terms of theology and manner of worship and that Coptic Orthodox is not a "denomination" of Eastern orthodox, or vice versa.
Similarly, the Catholic Church represents a "legal" and "administrative body" of churches, a communion that includes various rites, both eastern and western.
To compare that with various independent, self-styled, self-defined, dime-a-dozen neighborhood buildings called "something church" should be embarrassing enough to not even attempt to so say in public, let alone publish it.
The problem with 30,000 or 8,000 whichever, is that each claims to interpret the "truth" sufficiently differently from the next-door-dime-a-doze-churches to call itself a different "church," reducing the ecclesia to almost a local clanship and personal issue.
What "unites" all Protestants is nothing compare to what separates them, "legally" and "administratively" into separate sects.
My only conclusion about this is that they must NOT have found the truth they claim. For the Truth is One, and minor differences notwithstanding, the true Church will be one theologically, administratively and legally. And there are only two such Churches in the world -- the Eastern orthodox and the Roman Catholic; the two churches that came out of the One original Church.
posted on 03/31/2004 7:55:50 PM PST
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
I just declared myself a denomination.
posted on 04/01/2004 8:34:02 AM PST
The Catholic position is arguing the lack of doctrinal unity. All the various rites of Catholicism have identical doctrines. THat said, yes, citing 25,000 Protestant denominations is a bit much, because I doubt there is sharp enough clarity among doctrines to even separate them into 25,000 whatevers.
As for whether a given denomination is Protestant or not, I think the issue is schismatic v. non-schismatic, since schism scripture prohibits schism.
posted on 04/01/2004 9:38:58 AM PST
I have read this article before.
But you know what ? Those that hate protestants do not care...they will just sit in their error and gloat.
posted on 04/01/2004 2:13:01 PM PST
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