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To: AAABEST
You're right--but to hear some Conservatives tell it, it is springtime in the Church. You can't shake them from that over at EWTN.

If this is springime, then I would like to see what they call the dead of winter.

I once remarked to a Liberal male religious, a male nun, as some of my priest friends joke, that we owe no obedience to heretics. His response: "That's the first time I've heard that." I kid you not.
36 posted on 04/06/2004 3:45:29 PM PDT by dstoker
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To: dstoker
This "springtime in the church" is modernistic propaganda BS. Just because they say it and wish it doesn't make it so.

Besides sounding good and catchy it means absolutely nothing. Like Clinton's "bridge to the 21st century". Coming up with shiny keywords accomplishes zero.

I'd love to know what actions are being taken to bring about this "springtime". What is being done doctrinally, dogmatically and at the command level to clean up some of the nonsense we read about every single day? NOTHING.

The document coming out (supposedly) this week to address liturgical abuses is mere lip service with no teeth whatsoever. Bloviation, nothing more. The heretics are left to their heresy and the homosexuals are left to their destructive ways. The scandalous bishops are left to decimate the flock and spit in God's face.

Meanwhile "orthodox" types make a sport out of bashing trads, who seem to be the only ones worthy of excommunication anymore. The bad guys are the ones who worship as Catholics have been doing for hundreds of years, while the good guys are the ones that worship with heathens.

Jesus warned us of this. "Springtime" my foot.

The reason this person you describe doesn't know anything is because he wasn't taught anything. An acquaintance of mine went through 4 years of Catholic High School and was shocked to find out just a few weeks ago that Catholics fast on Fridays. Nobody told ever him because they don't teach Catholicism anymore. The catechism and the Catholic schools are an abject disaster and getting worse as we speak.

Do these "springtime" wordsmiths think that things will just fix themselves when we continue to devlolve and welcome the devil into the front door? If so they're fools.

THERE IS NO SPRINGTIME

And there won't be one until we start taking our church back from the leftists, heretics and homos who seek to destroy it.

37 posted on 04/06/2004 4:14:05 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: dstoker
I was a member of St. Francis de Sales Church before Fr. Murr was made pastor. It followed Jesus' call to feed the poor, house the homeless, opened its doors to everyone in need. Fr. Murr, as I was told, closed down the homeless shelter (which was in the basement of the school), closed the soup kitchen, stopped the Weekend Meals Program (which delivered meals for Sat/Sun to homebound seniors, those disabled with mental and physical problems and people with AIDS), we supplied grocery bags for people in the neighborhood who were without food for reasons we didn't go into (how can you look an 87 year old woman in the face and tell her there is no food to tide her over until her social security check comes or a woman with two small children who wasn't able to feed them since breakfast the day before?), these are just a few things that St. Francis de Sales Church used to do BEFORE Fr. Murr. The Academy was financially separate from the Church - it was set up that way when it was established by the Christian Brothers who run the school... when St. Lucy's school was combined with St. Francis de Sales school the Christian Brothers took over leadership of the new Academy and there was much fanfare in the diocese of the great job it was doing. One of the main religion problems was the fact that the majority of the students were not children of the parish or even Catholic, there were many Muslims, Protestants, etc. as a matter of fact the majority of the students were not Catholic - they attended mass every week in the Church but it was difficult to teach religion in a class where only a few students were Catholic while the others didn't have to take the lessons. The majority of students didn't even live in the neighborhood because there were waiting lists to get into the school due to its scholastic renown.
If the Archdiocese was having problems with the finances of the school they should have had someone sent in by the Supertendent of School from the Archdiocese to audit the books and deal with the problem. The pastor was not only responsible for one church but also for St. Lucy's in a deal worked out with the previous pastor, Fr. Robert Lott, so with all the work of two active NYC parishes, Fr. Murr should have turned to the Archdiocese to deal with the Academy financial and religious problems.
It would be interesting to find out the process that was taken, the meetings with staff and administrators at the school and with the parents board.
Also it would be interesting to know who was on this Parish Council and where they lived, for I was told that there were a number of "non-parishioners" on the Parish Council. That they came in from other parts of the city to run the parish.
66 posted on 04/08/2004 4:16:15 AM PDT by pannebyron1
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