What Catholics "should they persist ... cannot receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance"

Excerpts, Various | Various | Vatican/Popes/The Holy Office

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

I think that, given the current situation, it is imperative that sane Catholic educators and Catholic parents pool resources on the internet to share information on educational resources and options. There also needs to be work done to create a philosophical consensus regarding what the best alternatives are. There is a lot of disinformation floating around. That doesn't help.

[Desdemona]

Where I live now, we have a HUGE Catholic school system that is in some ways consolodating. Kids are put on waiting lists for some of the grade schools in utero. The competition to get into the high schools is fierce - and the sad thing is, only one of the high schools is really worth the money. Even then, it's Jesuit so the theology is questionable.

And then, there's the social situations....

[Desdemona]

People actually need to understand moral imperatives, period. Once that's accomplished, the whole home-schooling idea might seem less like an "insane idea" (I've actually heard it called that).

[Siobhan]

I didn't know how well I would do at homeschooling since my grown children had all gone to Catholic schools, and most of them had had the very best Catholic education while we were in India. But I find great joy in homeschooling Mairead, and it is delightful for us both, and I intend to do the same for the two little ones (unless I am near one of the schools that will arise from Mother Assumpta Long's new Order of Dominican Sisters).

[rogator]

"...There are many Catholic schools available,...."

On the entire West Coast of Washington, Oregon and part of California, there is but one Catholic K-8 school and no high schools.

[narses]

"On the entire West Coast of Washington, ..., there is but one Catholic K-8 school and no high schools."

http://www.seattlearch.org/FormationAndEducation/Schools/

http://www.seattlearch.org/Archdiocese/Templates/Internal/SchoolLocator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fFormationAndEducation%2fSchools%2fSchool%2bLocator%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b790F2CBE-CD99-4AFE-9A7A-2C22802DA161%7d&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

[Revenge of Sith]

"As for vocations, I know as many priests who came from public school backgrounds as from Catholic school backgrounds. God calls where He will."

Pope John Paul II and Cardinal O'Connor went to public schools.

[Tantumergo]

"NOTHING has changed since their day to change the Truth of their exhortations, has it? What modern circumstances make their points universally 100% wrong?"

I would not say that their points are 100% universally wrong, but things HAVE CHANGED BIG TIME since their day.

I refuse to send my children to Catholic schools (not that we have any close enough to make it feasible at the moment anyway!) because they have become dens of modernism and communism.

According to the UK's Catholic Education Service the lapsation rate of kids leaving Catholic Schools is 92%. ONLY 8% STILL PRACTICE THEIR FAITH AT THE AGE OF 16. And yet they continue to pump the same tired old experience-based, child-centred catechesis on them that has produced these damnable results.

In contrast 32% of Catholic children in State schools are still practicing at the age of 16.

The teaching of the pre-Conciliar Popes was valid in an age when Catholic education was Catholic - I doubt they could ever have believed that so many "Catholic" schools could have become vehicles for destroying children's faith as is the case now.

[Tantumergo]

"As for vocations, I know as many priests who came from public school backgrounds as from Catholic school backgrounds."

Of the 12 first year seminarians at the English College in Rome last year, only 2 came through the Catholic school system!

[Tantumergo]

"but things HAVE CHANGED BIG TIME since their day."

OK, OK - I should have read further down the thread to find out that that was exactly the point you were making!!!

;)

[Aquinasfan]

Excellent find! Maximum bumping power.

[Aquinasfan]

We American Catholics have been so bludgeoned by secularism that we seem no longer capable of seeing what was crystal clear a mere century and a half ago.

The anti-Catholic forces who established the government schools and compulsory attendance laws were very visible in the late 1800s.

It's ironic that Protestants are now abandoning the very institution that they created.

[Siobhan]

It is ironic. Things established for rotten purposes, rot from within.

[Siobhan]

In the childhood of Pope John Paul II the public schools of Poland included what now....oh yes, the saying of the Angelus, the Hymn to the Queen of Poland, Our Lady of Czestachowa, and what else.......ah yes, Pater noster qui es in caelis.....

[Notwithstanding]

Why don't you go adopt a cat or dog, as FR's very own Bob Barker keeps requesting) and stop making excellent points that make sinkspur look foolish?

[sinkspur]

Ping me, especially when you're going to gossip like a geriatric.

[Polycarp IV]

Ping me, especially when you're going to

Why does everyone need to ping you when you are mentioned? You have such a universal presence here that you are able to respond to 100% of posts where you are mentioned --but not pinged-- regardless ;-)

Are you afraid you'll miss an opportunity to exhibit your cranky behavior and fling more ad hominems?

You certainly do not appear too concerned about being pinged in order to gain opportunity to publicly admit when you're obviously wrong or lost a point of debate or when you sling unjust ad hominems.

[sinkspur]

I ping you; you ping me. That's how it should work. Not pinging someone when talking about them is rude.

Relax, doctor.

[Notwithstanding]

My kids were at one of Mother Assumpta's schools.

Amazing.

For the first few weeks I would go to the daily Mass with the kids and I would just start crying at how blessed I was to have such a wonderful school where the Catholic faith and Catholic values came first and foremost.

Now only homeschooling will do.

[Notwithstanding]

I should ad - we moved away once I re-entered active military duty and are now in Germany.

The German's are stupefied when we explain that we home-school.