Posted on 05/19/2004 8:49:09 AM PDT by NYer
Amen sister,
The narrow gate is indeed the message of Christ. Too many, today want to compromise the truth. The agenda of these priests is obvious. It is an agenda that is anti Christian. They should be given a chance to repent. If not, then bounce them the heck out.
Catholic pro-life ping!
No. Abortion will be returned to the jurisdiction of the states, which are closer to the voters and where some abortions can be outlawed.
Politics is the art of the possible, and changing minds and hearts is not something that can be jammed down people's throats.
Politicians have to persuade, to often take two steps forward and one step back.
If you want an example of dogmatic principle, take a look at Alan Keyes.
He is purely pro-life, but can't seem to get himself elected to anything!
How much political good does Alan Keyes do?
Bet Kethcart is real proud of himself and his front page story too. Liberal attitudes seem prevalent in the laity (in my limited experience). During RCIA church doctrine was "softened". For example the RE director saying we really couldn't know if Mary was "ever virgin". I learned more of the faith through Seton Homeschool religion materials than in 7 months of RCIA. The RE director and one of the deacons even touted the ordination of women. I could go on but I think you can get the picture....
This isn't strictly about politics. It's about TEACHING THE CATHOLIC FAITH! It's about saving their souls! It's about being a shepherd! What don't you get!?
St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas".
Apparently you do not read teaching documents of the Church - for if you did, you would know how a bishop should answer such a parishioner.
He argues the point because he is most definitely a heretic.
Sinkspur is likely a heretic.
Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.
Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.
Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.
Sinkspur is likely a heretic.
Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.
Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.
Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.
Sinkspur is likely a heretic.
Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.
Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.
Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.
One cannot support the "choice" of abortion, unless one favors its use.I don't believe that suffering others to commit a grave sin necessarily means that one favors committing the sin. For example, I suffer others to commit sodomy without favoring it.
The problem I do have with suffering others to have an abortion is that it intentionally kills an innocent human person.
Not according to Pyro. We should not vote for GWB, since he supports some abortion.
This is about Democrats and pro-abort Republicans who support the continued unrestricted slaughter of unborn babies, and calling them to repentance.
And yet we're allowed to vote for them, at least as long as they support some restriction on abortion? How many restrictions?
I'm harping on this because I get this very question every time I teach about civic responsibility in the catechumenate. Non-Catholics don't understand, given Catholic teaching, how GWB is an acceptable candidate, since he seems to advocate that some lives are more valuable than others.
While the bishops are formulating their response to pro-abortion candidates, they'd better be ready to talk about candidates who are pro-life, but not fully pro-life.
BISHOP MICHAEL SHERIDAN OF COLORADO SPRINGS: NO COMMUNION FOR PRO-ABORT/HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE VOTERS
Not strictly, but you've already indicated that Catholics shouldn't vote for GWB, either.
IOW, you're saying that we should vote for somebody who can't win, and who can't make one iota of difference in the pro-life fight.
Pyro is not the bishop in question.
Why are you such a heretical fool?
Why do you insist on sewing the devil's seeds of doubt in, and disobedience of bishops who have not breached any trust?
Your point being?
So, one is not committing a mortal sin by voting for a pro-choice candidate, when both candidates are pro-choice.
That's the way I've always understood it, but am glad you found that so it could be posted, for the record.
Bishops, apparently, disagree.
Hey, here's an authentically old Catholic saying:
"Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Smyrn. 8:2).
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