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(Colorado)Priest takes issue with Bishop Michael J. Sheridan's letter
Rocky Mountain News ^ | May 18, 2004 | Jean Torkelson

Posted on 05/19/2004 8:49:09 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Annie03

Amen sister,

The narrow gate is indeed the message of Christ. Too many, today want to compromise the truth. The agenda of these priests is obvious. It is an agenda that is anti Christian. They should be given a chance to repent. If not, then bounce them the heck out.


41 posted on 05/19/2004 9:38:56 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: Coleus; cpforlife.org; Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; Salvation; sandyeggo; ...

Catholic pro-life ping!


42 posted on 05/19/2004 9:39:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480
There is a false sentiment that thinks that conservative ideals will triumph if conservatives are elected. While that helps, the culture is what needs to be changed, and people's minds and hearts are the very things that need to be changed. You think abortions are suddenly going to stop once Roe v. Wade is overturned?

No. Abortion will be returned to the jurisdiction of the states, which are closer to the voters and where some abortions can be outlawed.

Politics is the art of the possible, and changing minds and hearts is not something that can be jammed down people's throats.

Politicians have to persuade, to often take two steps forward and one step back.

If you want an example of dogmatic principle, take a look at Alan Keyes.

He is purely pro-life, but can't seem to get himself elected to anything!

How much political good does Alan Keyes do?

43 posted on 05/19/2004 9:39:16 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: B Knotts

Bet Kethcart is real proud of himself and his front page story too. Liberal attitudes seem prevalent in the laity (in my limited experience). During RCIA church doctrine was "softened". For example the RE director saying we really couldn't know if Mary was "ever virgin". I learned more of the faith through Seton Homeschool religion materials than in 7 months of RCIA. The RE director and one of the deacons even touted the ordination of women. I could go on but I think you can get the picture....


44 posted on 05/19/2004 9:39:23 AM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sinkspur

This isn't strictly about politics. It's about TEACHING THE CATHOLIC FAITH! It's about saving their souls! It's about being a shepherd! What don't you get!?


45 posted on 05/19/2004 9:40:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: sinkspur

St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas".

Apparently you do not read teaching documents of the Church - for if you did, you would know how a bishop should answer such a parishioner.


46 posted on 05/19/2004 9:41:02 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: B Knotts

He argues the point because he is most definitely a heretic.


47 posted on 05/19/2004 9:42:22 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur is likely a heretic.

Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.

Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.

Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.


48 posted on 05/19/2004 9:45:13 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur is likely a heretic.

Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.

Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.

Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.


49 posted on 05/19/2004 9:45:21 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur is likely a heretic.

Sinkspur does not understand that the local bishop is the authority within the diocese as long as he does not contradict or disobey the pope.

Sinkspur, if not a heretic, apparently is ignorant of important Catholic doctrines.

Sinkspur's posts here at FR, however, show him to be a heretic.


50 posted on 05/19/2004 9:45:24 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: B Knotts
One cannot support the "choice" of abortion, unless one favors its use.
I don't believe that suffering others to commit a grave sin necessarily means that one favors committing the sin. For example, I suffer others to commit sodomy without favoring it.

The problem I do have with suffering others to have an abortion is that it intentionally kills an innocent human person.

51 posted on 05/19/2004 9:47:31 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: B Knotts; Pyro7480
It is considered to be acceptable, in a case where one of the electable candidates supports at least some restrictions on abortion, to choose that candidate.

Not according to Pyro. We should not vote for GWB, since he supports some abortion.

This is about Democrats and pro-abort Republicans who support the continued unrestricted slaughter of unborn babies, and calling them to repentance.

And yet we're allowed to vote for them, at least as long as they support some restriction on abortion? How many restrictions?

I'm harping on this because I get this very question every time I teach about civic responsibility in the catechumenate. Non-Catholics don't understand, given Catholic teaching, how GWB is an acceptable candidate, since he seems to advocate that some lives are more valuable than others.

While the bishops are formulating their response to pro-abortion candidates, they'd better be ready to talk about candidates who are pro-life, but not fully pro-life.

52 posted on 05/19/2004 9:47:43 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer
For additional comments from FReepers about this issue:

BISHOP MICHAEL SHERIDAN OF COLORADO SPRINGS: NO COMMUNION FOR PRO-ABORT/HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE VOTERS

53 posted on 05/19/2004 9:49:20 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur
See what you think of this:

Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics

54 posted on 05/19/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Pyro7480
This isn't strictly about politics.

Not strictly, but you've already indicated that Catholics shouldn't vote for GWB, either.

IOW, you're saying that we should vote for somebody who can't win, and who can't make one iota of difference in the pro-life fight.

55 posted on 05/19/2004 9:51:01 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur

Pyro is not the bishop in question.

Why are you such a heretical fool?

Why do you insist on sewing the devil's seeds of doubt in, and disobedience of bishops who have not breached any trust?


56 posted on 05/19/2004 9:52:27 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: sinkspur
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington said the very same thing.

Your point being?

57 posted on 05/19/2004 9:54:49 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: B Knotts; Pyro7480
In some political races, each candidate takes a wrong position on one or more of the five non-negotiables. In such a case you may vote for the candidate who takes the fewest such positions or who seems least likely to be able to advance immoral legislation, or you may choose to vote for no one.

So, one is not committing a mortal sin by voting for a pro-choice candidate, when both candidates are pro-choice.

That's the way I've always understood it, but am glad you found that so it could be posted, for the record.

58 posted on 05/19/2004 9:57:12 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Romulus
Your point being?

Bishops, apparently, disagree.

59 posted on 05/19/2004 9:58:16 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: eastsider

Hey, here's an authentically old Catholic saying:

"Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Smyrn. 8:2).


60 posted on 05/19/2004 10:00:11 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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