Posted on 05/25/2004 9:03:20 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
Okay, it did seem that way. But, still.
Gotta go. I have to be at work in an hour.
I'm sorry the discussion degenerated into a personal duel instead of about the article. Grow up, both of you.
Joseph Cardinal Bernardin would be another American Cardinal to resign amidst abuse accusations.
Yeah, because the contagion is so wide-spread we can't get rid of the others: Mahoney, Egan, O'Malley. God help us, O'Malley and Egan are new!
LOL!! Lots of people on this website make the good the enemy of the best.
Bernardin did not resign. He died as Archbishop of Chicago.
O'Malley may be the worst.
Lots of people had hopes that he would turn out good. He has since turned to prostitution advocates to write Cathlic-School 3rd-graders' lessons plans on the sex abuse crisis. No kidding! The organization he hired was originally created for the sole, express purpose of legalizing prostitution!
So I guess what you're saying is that we shouldn't have had an open mind to him when he was first apponted, because now that initial good will undermines my argument against him now?
I do not have enough information to make an outright accusation but yes, the speech patterns were disturbing as is his history as a Southern CA auxiliary bishop and friend of Mahony.
As I was watching last night it all fell into place.
>> I have read that the percentage of sodomites in the clergy is closer to 50% rather than the 2-4% usually conceded. <<
Oh, I think the 2-4% is based on the proportion of sodomites in the general population. (Planned PArenthood's Guttmacher INstitute on Sexuality says 3% are gay. Gay =/= Sodomite.) I think the church of the 1950s and 1960s was perceived of as a way of dealing with homosexuality, and the gays have established quite a bunker head.
But I don't believe it's 50% sodomite. I would guess that a proportion nearly that high does however, have grave sexual sinfulness. (homosexual behavior, fornication, pornographic fascination, etc.) And any priest in a state of grave sin will be motivated to rationalize away the existence of that state, and also those things which distinguish that state of grave sin (i.e., the real presence.) If the real presence makes a priest spiritually aware of his sinfulness, and even of the fact that he commits the further act of sinfulness by desecrating the host, does it not make sense he would avoid the real presence by refusing to offer himself into the place of Christ? Hence, the compulsion to offer invalid hosts.
If the Pope today ruled all masses had to be in Latin, the priests in a state of sin would be every bit as sinful, but in Latin. It's not the New Order mass, it's the refusal to be Alter Christi that renders masses ineffectual. It's just that the priests who are so gung-ho as to prefer Latin would, natch, be the more certain to desire to be Alter Christi.
I've found Seattle Catholic to be an excellent online publication (not just for the articles, but also for the news to which they link in a side column). I understand that Seattle Catholic is no way affiliated with the archdiocese, but it's still consoling to know that even in havens of militant liberalism, the traditional Catholic Faith lives on.
Boo-hoo! He started it! hehehe.
Bernardin died in office. I don't think resigning ever crossed his mind.
Mahoney should be the fourth cardinal to resign. I believe in the separation of State from Church. I may be alone on this but Mahoney sure seems like he is taking tips from Commie Kerry. Soon Mahoney will tell the Pope to butt out of his private business.
Not quite sure how old this is but it seemed to be pretty new. http://www.unavoce.org/cdlmahht.htm
You replied: << Oh, I think the 2-4% is based on the proportion of sodomites in the general population...But I don't believe it's 50% sodomite.>>
Actually I was using a percentage that I think Michael Rose used in "Good Bye, Good Men" Maybe it's high - I don't know. But when you add sympathizers to the actually guilty number, I'm sure the number goes way up.
<< If the Pope today ruled all masses had to be in Latin, the priests in a state of sin would be every bit as sinful, but in Latin. It's not the New Order mass, it's the refusal to be Alter Christi that renders masses ineffectual. It's just that the priests who are so gung-ho as to prefer Latin would, natch, be the more certain to desire to be Alter Christi. >>
That would be the beauty of the universal indult. Only those (gung ho) Priests who felt compelled to say it - would. And only those who felt compelled to go to that Mass - would.
The rest could stay and wallow in what they made.
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