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1 posted on 06/18/2004 12:27:00 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Land of the Irish; Maximilian; ultima ratio; Canticle_of_Deborah; AAABEST

Despite several inaccuracies in the article, this could be some positive news in the offing.

Have any of you heard of a "juridical guarantee" before? Is it a PC way of saying "universal indult"?


2 posted on 06/18/2004 12:30:24 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo

Please let this be so!

However, that said - we have one Tridentine Rite Mass here in my diocese - which encompasses a huge area - at 8:00 a.m. on Sundays only in just one city. Oh, and of course, it's a low Mass.

They may have to do it, but they'll do it as grudgingly and with as many obstacles as possible.


3 posted on 06/18/2004 12:31:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: Tantumergo

"THE VATICAN is preparing to relax the rules on the provision of the Tridentine rite"

Until all the arch-modernist bishops/cardinals who hate the traditional Latin Mass are replaced (or die off from AIDS) all this talk of relaxing draconian restrictions remains nothing more than "smoke and mirrors".


7 posted on 06/18/2004 12:52:26 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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Furthermore, controversy over the new rite has increased rather than subsided, with many Catholics demoralised by liturgical abuses that have occurred since the old rite was replaced in the 1960s.

"demoralised by liturgical abuses"

The complaints must be pouring in from all directions, not just the US.

What can be done about liturgical abuses? First, know your rights. Inaestimabile Donum and Canon Law state:

"The faithful have a right to a true Liturgy, which means the Liturgy desired and laid down by the Church, which has in fact indicated where adaptations may be made as called for by pastoral requirements in different places or by different groups of people. Undue experimentation, changes and creativity bewilder the faithful.

Is Your Mass Valid? Liturgical Abuse

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


8 posted on 06/18/2004 1:33:37 PM PDT by NYer (It's the "Ten Commandments" - NOT the "Ten Suggestions")
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To: Tantumergo

**Priests are allowed to celebrate the Tridentine rite, as long as they obtain permission from their local bishop.**

Han't this always been the case?


10 posted on 06/18/2004 1:40:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Anyone know what a "juridical guarantee" is???


11 posted on 06/18/2004 1:44:49 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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Ok I'm confused. What is the difference between tridentine and indult? There are two latin masses? I've never been to either


13 posted on 06/18/2004 1:50:38 PM PDT by kjvail (Light 'em up George!!!!)
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To: Tantumergo

This must be what Cardinal Hoyos was referring to last week when he told the SSPX that "The time is ripe" to come home. Remember?

I've got to say that this is the best news I have heard from Rome in years, and I am elated.

I joined in trashing the new rules that just came from Rome concering the Liturgy, but this I refuse to trash until such time it proves to be a hoax. I have prayed too long and too hard for this.

It MAY turn out not to be all it is cracked up to be, but any movement is more than we had. The Holy Ghost is moving the Vatican in some way. Prayers work


34 posted on 06/18/2004 5:59:33 PM PDT by Arguss
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35 posted on 06/18/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by Arguss
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To: Tantumergo

Cardinal Hoyos sentiments aside, the traditional Latin mass and sacraments aren't coming back in any meaningful way any time soon.

A priest doesn't just wake up on Monday morning and decide he's going to say Latin mass the following Sunday.

It takes both skill and time to learn the chants as well as the particular movements and rubrics that the priest must perform. And considering the vast majority of priests don't know enough Latin to read the slogan on a pack of cigarettes, it will take a considerable time to just get them up to competency in the language.

If Hoyos et al are serious about this, they have to begin by making a mandate to the seminaries that no one is ordained unless they are fluent in Latin and are able to say Latin mass when needed. Even then it will definitely take many years to bring back Latin in a meaningful manner.


37 posted on 06/18/2004 6:30:36 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Tantumergo

I haven't been able to find this on google news. I hope this is not a hoax.


41 posted on 06/18/2004 7:11:08 PM PDT by Arguss
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To: joma

ping.


95 posted on 06/21/2004 11:21:50 PM PDT by Phx_RC (Welcome to Free Republic !)
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