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To: Polycarp IV
What this boils down to is nudging bishops toward approving at least one Tridentine Mass in each diocese.

One of the justifications for the Tridentine Mass, of course, is that there be some number of people at the Mass. Our diocese has one Mass, every Sunday, in downtown Fort Worth, and it draws around 250 people.

I would bet that our bishop would say he has met the provisio for meeting the demand for the Tridentine Mass.

Of course, this will not satisfy those who believe that a Tridentine Mass must be offered in every parish.

22 posted on 06/18/2004 2:58:59 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
There are NO Tridentine masses in my own diocese, or the next closest diocese. I hope this development forces my bishop to provide for one with no recourse except obedience.

It needs to have teeth. Those bishops who obstinantly refuse to provide a tridentine mass according to JPII's wishes, i.e., wide and generous, need to be slapped down hard.

I know two priests here in my diocese learning the Tridentine Mass on their own so that they can offer it as soon as this thing from Rome comes through.

23 posted on 06/18/2004 3:03:51 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: sinkspur

"I would bet that our bishop would say he has met the provisio for meeting the demand for the Tridentine Mass."




Well, Bishop Brown here in Orange, California certainly hasn't met that proviso. We had two Tridentine Masses for many years, until one was abruptly cancelled, leaving about 300 people high and dry. This is a huge diocese geographically, so now people who desire this Mass must travel as much as 50 miles to get to the one in San Juan Capistrano. It is offered in the beautiful Serra Chapel in the Mission, which seats around 60 people. How the bishop expects an additional 300 people to fit there is a mystery. It was already necessary to get there by 7:15 to get a seat for the Mass at 8 A.M.


And even if the Vatican gives general approval for this Mass, try finding a diocesan priest who will step forward to offer it. I would think that, given our bishop's well-known animosity toward anything traditional, most of his priests would rather not risk the inevitable job stress that would follow. Oh yes, priests are transferred all the time, and even sent away for more "studies".

So this whole idea of a "more generous" application is a non-starter, IMO. You're going to see the usual stonewalling, and I wonder if the Vatican is up to the hardball that it will take to bring these bishops into submission. Many of the bishops will fight like tigers to keep the dreaded Traditional Mass out of their liberal dioceses.

I fear we'll just see a beautifully written document (they're ALWAYS well written) with absolutely no teeth whatsoever.

I hope I'm wrong.


25 posted on 06/18/2004 4:16:51 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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To: sinkspur

"I would bet that our bishop would say he has met the provisio for meeting the demand for the Tridentine Mass."

I would bet their are plenty bishops who say the same - including those who don't permit the traditional Latin Mass at all ("there's no demand").
There are other neo-Jansenists who hold that one Low Mass a week in a remote area (on Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon) can be tolerated as long as all the other Sacraments (and corrupted catechesis) are administered in a modernist parish.
Any initiative from the Vatican will inevitably come to down "interpretation" and "collegiality".
As Cardinal Arinze commented in a recent interview:
"The U.S. has bishops, let them interpret that".


30 posted on 06/18/2004 4:37:26 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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