Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary

news.scotsman.com ^ | July 12, 2004

[cherry]

' more time exercising a bit of authority. "

there is no authority if the subjects won't abide ....

I read somewhere that the Catholic Church is actually in schism, because the American Bishops will not listen....

and if a frail elderly Pope is surrended by back-stabbing leftist, then how would he know of any of this.....

just where do we "trying to be traditional" Catholics go if this evil is not stopped...

for sure, my money won't go to the present Church if this continues....

[cherry]

"I even heard priests preach against silly things like women pinning dollar bills or Kleenex to their heads."

LOL......I remember the nuns having extra "veils" that you could "rent" for a dime when the whole class went to church on the First Fridays....

and the nuns had ties to "rent" to the boys if they forgot theirs.....

I remember a circular doly type thing and also a triangular lacy thing that you could put on your head.....

[broadsword]

You are noting a pinhole in the wall while the house is engulfed in flames. Paul VI said "The tail of the devil is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic world. The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the highest levels within the Church." October 13, 1977. JPII also recently stated there is a "silent apostasy" in the church - will you accept their opinion there is a revolution?

But that stuff is all OK with him as long as you click your heels, raise your right hand out and scream, "Seig heil!" It takes a special kind of enemy to destroy from within.

[Maximilian]

remember the nuns having extra "veils" that you could "rent" for a dime when the whole class went to church on the First Fridays

The "good old days" are still here at my parish. Every woman wears something on her head in church. And we have a basket of extra veils for anyone that forgot hers. But we don't charge a dime, it's free to use one. I bet those dimes went to the missions, by the way.

[ninenot]

I am struggling against the professional obscurantism common to those who have practiced law.

Ummmmhhh, your professionally-learned and -practiced obscurantism is NOTHING compared to that of the schismatics and their adherents.

[ninenot]

Glad you made it all so clear for us.

(Tune: Some Enchanted Evening...)

Some Enchanting Schism....

You have met the Tempter!

You have seen the Devil, across a crowded room....

And somehow you know,

This Schism's for MEeeeeeee!

(Etc.,etc., etc.)

[corpus]

"Perhaps the punishment of Weakland..."

That was part of the irony - Weakland was not punished! JPII REFUSED his resignation at first, and then he was ALLOWED to retire. If you can find a declaration of schism or excommunication of Weakland I would like to see it. His payoff of his lover as we know was the tip of the iceburg, yet as far as I know he never received ANY canonical punishment.


"Your screenname is new (6/8/04). What names have you used here previously or simultaneously?"

I have never posted before June, nor do I have any other screennames.


"Is the pope Catholic? Do you accept his authority and submit to him in obedience as Vicar of Christ on Earth?"

I believe the pope is Catholic and I submit to him as I am obligated to do, just as I do my bishop. I will defend the pope when he is unjustly accused., just like I would defend those who attack Pius XII as "Hitler's pope". But I will not blindly obey my bishop who prays with Protestants on St. Patrick's day and protects homo/pedophile priests, one of whom was at my local parish.

Again, Paul VI and JPII that I quoted regarding apostasy would not qualify if they were speaking of SSPX. Apostasy is a falling away from the faith, to no longer believe in what it teaches. Now Paul VI said it had infiltrated the Church to a large extent, even unto the highest levels - this could not be the SSPX in the 70's or today as you well know. And if JPII did declare the SSPX were schismatic, they could not be part of the "silent apostasy" in the Church he described. So the revolution that is apostasizing that the popes described must be the NO clergy. And you are going to follow these clergy, right or wrong? According to your own qualifications, I must conclude you will be schismatic if you don't obey your clergy right or wrong. This will make you part and parcel of the revolution. Am I wrong?

[ninenot]

Tune: Pick-a-Little (Music Man)

Pick a nitty,
Pick a nitty,
CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP
Pick a lot,
Pick a nitty more,

(etc.)

[ninenot]

Thanks. Your report comports with my understanding of the whole brouhaha.

[Grey Ghost II]

I asked the question of the instructor and I was told by him and by several Lebanese present that the word(s) used in the consecration are correctly translated as "ALL".... but according to people who should know, it means "ALL"

Do these unamed Lebanese people have some sort of supernatural gifts that make them omnipitent - unlike non-Lebanese people, of course.

[ninenot]

Do these unamed Lebanese people have some sort of supernatural gifts that make them omnipitent

No, they are neither omniSCIENT (like the SSPX propagandists) nor omniPOTENT.

They are, however, (at least) BI-lingual.

[Grey Ghost II]

They are, however, (at least) BI-lingual

I expect that next, you will bring out an Ebonics instructor to make the claim that Christ actually misspoke and he meant to say "for all".

[NYer]

So now we wait for word from the priests. I won't see mine now until Sunday after this because I'll be out of town, so NYer, you'll get first chance. :)

Actually, I'll be seeing our pastor on Saturday night, as we start a week long Novena to St. Ann. His response should be very intriguing, given the fact that he is bi-ritual.

[BlackElk]

As you well know, you are wrong. I follow the earthly leadership of John Paul II, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth rather than following dead and excommunicated Marcel, Marcel's living but excommunicated heirs or belonging to Marcel's ridiculously pretentious schism.

You are right in one thing. JP II in speaking of "silent apostasy" was obviously not speaking of Marcel's nervy little schism which is silent about as often as it is obedient to the Holy Father. Noisy nuisance/noisy apostasy/relentless pope-bashing schism: certainly on all three counts. Catholic never.

We will pray that your diocese and your parish be delivered from such irresponsibles as those of whom you complain but the answer is not the Lefebvrite schism or any other. Christ's promises to His Church are still good.

My pastor does not have the full power of the keys only what is delegated. Even my saintly bishop Thomas Doran does not have the full power of the keys. JP II has the power of the keys and no one need fear following him instead of following dead and excommunicated Marcel the Defiant and Disobedient.

If your circumstances ecclesiastically are as bad as you indicate (and who can doubt that AmChurch has victimized your diocese and its faithful Catholics), Rockford, Illinois is a very sound diocese and Doran a terrific bishop. If your station in life allows, move here, enjoy twice daily Tridentine Masses at St. Mary's Oratory, Tridentine everything in terms of sacraments, presided over by a priest of the all-Tridentine Institute of Christ the King Sovereign priest or attend early Sunday Tridentinme Masses at St. Patrick's, also in Rockford, with first rate and hard core diocesan priests who preside over that otherwise NO parish. There are no lavender Louies tolerated in this diocese. One priest has been charged during Doran's tenure. He was accused and pled guilty in criminal court to criminally touching two teenaged girls at a Catholic High School where he had been vice principal. He was suspended as a priest by Doran almost before that priest knew he was arrested. TAN Books and Publishers, as good a Catholic publisher as exists, is headquartered in Rockford.

If you cannot move, then you cannot but we moved a thousand miles to get here to live in Doran's diocese. It was worth it for the kids.

I was suggesting that God might punish both Weakland and Marcel by making them roommates in an overheated afterlife.

The schism that Paul VI and John Paul II described as "silent apostasy" might be the Thuc line or many other schisms less noisy than Marcel's parrots. It may also be the apostasy described to four young girls in purported apparitions of the BVM at Garabandel, Spain (never approved by ecclesiastical authority) in the early 1960s that claimed that the worst problem facing the Church is that of "faithless priests leading their flocks intentionally to perdition."

Finally, even in Rockford, my clergy is not clothed with ultimate earthly authority as is my pope and, if you are Catholic, your pope.

[Grey Ghost II]

Actually, I'll be seeing our pastor on Saturday night, as we start a week long Novena to St. Ann. His response should be very intriguing, given the fact that he is bi-ritual.

Do you really expect a priest who offers the novus ordo to admit that there's an error in that Mass?

[NYer]

LOL......I remember the nuns having extra "veils" that you could "rent" for a dime when the whole class went to church on the First Fridays....

((((((electronic handshake))))))

We must have attended the same catholic elementary school ... lol! One book you MUST read is! It features Fr. WhatAWaste and Sr. Mary HolyCard.

I remember a circular doly type thing and also a triangular lacy thing that you could put on your head....."

You mean these ... they're still 'de rigueur' at the Indult Tridentine Rite.

[BlackElk]

It is just soooooooooo unfair!!!!!! Why it is just enough to make the fevered sink further into schism in their frustration! Isn't there a constitutional right or something for them to get their way????? Who does that old pope think he is to disagree with the schismatic them?

Grey Ghost II: Are you appropriating the name of the immortal Moseby of Virginia???

BS: Actually, apropos of another of your posts referencing "Sieg Heil", you may have forgotten in your customary snarling frenzy that Karol Wojtlywa was a civilian engaged in the anti-Nazi underground in Poland well before entering upon his studies for the priesthood, that his girlfriend of that period was summarily executed by the Gestapo on her way home from a theater rehearsal of a group involving him and her, and very long before he became John Paul II. AND, you seem to have ignored or forgotten the rule that he or she who references Nazism first in an argument loses.

[BlackElk]

I know you believe all that quite sincerely and that you are therefore sincerely wrong.