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Bishop urges gay ban in clergy; presses for overhaul in screening priests
Boston Globe ^ | 7/19/2004 | Meredith Goldstein

Posted on 07/19/2004 4:23:44 PM PDT by sinkspur

Bishop John M. D'Arcy, who in private letters to other church officials as early as 1978 questioned the reassignment of priests accused of sexual misconduct, said yesterday that the church must improve its screening process for accepting seminarians and that homosexuals should be prohibited from being ordained as priests.

"We must be very careful of who we accept in the seminary and who we ordain as priests," D'Arcy told parishioners at Our Lady of the Presentation Church, the Brighton parish in which he grew up. ''It's time to ordain men of quality, not to just look for numbers."

During yesterday's 10 a.m. Mass, D'Arcy, now bishop of the Fort Wayne-South Bend Diocese in Indiana, said the church must look for men whom children can respect -- ''men who would be good husbands, men who would be good fathers," he said.

In an interview after the service, D'Arcy acknowledged that his reference to ''good husbands . . . good fathers" conveyed his belief that only heterosexual men should be allowed to become priests. He said men in the priesthood must embrace celibacy.

To put a gay man in the priesthood, in a mostly male environment, is unfair, given the potential attractions, D'Arcy said. ''We don't put these [heterosexual] men in with attractive women," he said, referring to seminarians. ''You're putting him in with men. It's not fair to him, it's not fair to them, it's not fair to the church."

D'Arcy said that if the church can bring men to seminaries who have the right temperament for the job, those priests will attract more good men to work for the church.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; homosexualpriests
Yes. The clergy should be populated, like the permanent diaconate, with men who are good husbands, and good fathers.
1 posted on 07/19/2004 4:23:45 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur

**Yes. The clergy should be populated, like the permanent diaconate, with men who are good husbands, and good fathers.
**

Echoing your comment!


2 posted on 07/19/2004 4:31:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur

The other side of the issue,from the article:

The Rev. Christopher J. Coyne, spokesman for the archdiocese, said that while there has been discussion among some members of the archdiocese and at the Vatican about the possibility of banning homosexuals from the priesthood, no decisions have been made.

''The main issue is celibacy," he said, adding that D'Arcy's concerns about gay priests ''aren't necessarily shared by others."

Well,"others" are dead wrong on this one.


3 posted on 07/19/2004 4:32:38 PM PDT by John W
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To: Salvation; sinkspur

I take it then that you both agree with Rev. Coyne and "others"?


4 posted on 07/19/2004 4:33:46 PM PDT by John W
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To: sinkspur
''It's time to ordain men of quality, not to just look for numbers."

But first, you have to ordain MEN.

Set the minimum age for ordination at 32, and make sure the guy has at least had one job outside the Church in his life.

5 posted on 07/19/2004 4:34:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: John W
I take it then that you both agree with Rev. Coyne and "others"?

I'm for optional celibacy, yes. If you want to rid the priesthood of gay men, populate it with heterosexual men.

6 posted on 07/19/2004 4:36:02 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

OK.I just believe it is a gay problem,not a celibacy problem.


7 posted on 07/19/2004 4:36:52 PM PDT by John W
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To: John W

I think it's both; that's why there are so many gays in the priesthood.


8 posted on 07/19/2004 4:38:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

Bump.


9 posted on 07/19/2004 7:02:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

"Set the minimum age for ordination at 32, and make sure the guy has at least had one job outside the Church in his life."

Goofy idea. While late vocations can be very good, the idea that a man dedicated to Christ needs to go "experience the world first" is just goofy.


10 posted on 07/19/2004 7:18:58 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses
While late vocations can be very good, the idea that a man dedicated to Christ needs to go "experience the world first" is just goofy.

Read the data. The vast majority of the abusers were ordained in their mid-20s. Very few were ordained in their 30s.

You want to minimize the number of homosexuals in the priesthood, allow the heterosexuals to mature.

11 posted on 07/19/2004 7:24:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
Set the minimum age for ordination at 32, and make sure the guy has at least had one job outside the Church in his life.

St. Padre Pio, at age 15 entered the noviciate of the Capuchin Friars in Morcone, and joined the order at age 19. He was ordained at the age of 22.

You have a problem with that?

12 posted on 07/19/2004 7:34:13 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
You have a problem with that?

No. He became a canonized saint. The same cannot be said of the vast majority of men who enter the priesthood.

13 posted on 07/19/2004 7:37:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
Set the minimum age for ordination at 32, and make sure the guy has at least had one job outside the Church in his life.

Works well for the Jesuits.

Woops did I say well...

14 posted on 07/19/2004 7:45:51 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If we beat them bad enough, they can't cheat" - Hugh Hewitt)
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To: sinkspur

"Read the data. The vast majority of the abusers were ordained in their mid-20s. Very few were ordained in their 30s."
___________________________

Do you think it might be because when the abuses peaked practically ALL priests were ordained in their mid-20s?


15 posted on 07/19/2004 8:59:37 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk
Do you think it might be because when the abuses peaked practically ALL priests were ordained in their mid-20s?

Yep. And, now that men are delaying coming into seminaries, the incidences have dropped off dramatically.

16 posted on 07/19/2004 9:02:11 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

"now that men are delaying coming into seminaries, the incidences have dropped off dramatically"
__________________________

Also, since Bill Gates sold Windows 95, since Clinton became president, since the eruption of AIDS epidemic, since Catholic dioceses began to be sued for abuses of minors. See now how many factors contributed to it?


17 posted on 07/19/2004 9:13:27 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk
Are the ordinands since 1990 older, or not? Has the incidence of sexual abuse declined since 1990, or not?
18 posted on 07/19/2004 9:15:37 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

If you present a link between the age of ordination to the priesthood and homosexual orientation then I will personally recommend you to the Secretary of Defense.


19 posted on 07/19/2004 9:20:43 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk

You didn't answer my questions, so I presume you can't, or that you agree that there is a link between ordaining older, more mature heterosexual men, and the drop in sexual abuse incidents.


20 posted on 07/19/2004 9:23:02 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

Don't asume. Show the link.


21 posted on 07/19/2004 9:24:52 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk
I asked you two questions. You can't answer them.

Good night.

22 posted on 07/19/2004 9:39:41 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

OK, OK, I will give you a clue,

Things got serious around 1985:
"There have been an estimated 1,400 sexual abuse lawsuits launched against priests in the United States since 1985."

Here,
http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/r/ro/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_scandal.html


23 posted on 07/19/2004 9:41:18 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk
Filing of lawsuits do not equate to when the instances of sexual abuse occurred.

It is a fact that reported sexual abuse instances have been much less in the 1990s than in the 1970s and 1980s (see Michael Rose's "Goodbye, Good Men."). The average age of ordinands in the 1990s was 32 (same source).

Do you think there might be a correlation?

24 posted on 07/19/2004 9:44:36 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

There is a general tendency to start a life of commitment after 30: marriage, academic degree, etc.


25 posted on 07/19/2004 9:48:46 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk

Thank you.


26 posted on 07/19/2004 9:49:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

You're welcome.

Ordination of older men is present reality, and nothing indicates the trend would change any time soon. So...?

I thank you for posting the article. Eventually there will be more bishops like Bishop D'Arcy I think. The Holy Father is probably waiting for the US bishops to realize where the devil dwells and to sprinkle holy water in that exact spot.

I think that's smart.


27 posted on 07/19/2004 9:59:46 PM PDT by frnk
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To: frnk
I think the John Jay report and the Austrian seminary incident put the capstone on the idea of ordaining homsexuals. There's a few, like Cardinal McCarrick, still banging around who are ambivalent about(secretly for) a fudge-packing priesthood but the tide is turning especially in the conservative dioceses.

An interesting case study will be my Diocese of Worcester, MA. We got a new Bishop who is a quite a bit more conservative than his predecessor. Hopefully, there will be an uptick in vocations.

The Bishops need only do two things: 1) ask 2) purge the homosexuals.

28 posted on 07/20/2004 5:49:14 PM PDT by Pio
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To: Pio

Then again, in Massachusetts, "fathers" and "husbands" absolutely includes the Sodomites. Catholic Charities even assists homsexual couples in adopting children. So, perhaps Massachusetts can be excluded from any ray of hope.


29 posted on 07/20/2004 5:52:03 PM PDT by Pio
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