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Vatican Sets Up Sports Department
Associated Press ^ | August 3, 2004, 1:52 PM EDT | FRANCES D'EMILIO

Posted on 08/03/2004 2:53:03 PM PDT by topcat54

Vatican Sets Up Sports Department

By FRANCES D'EMILIO

Associated Press Writer


August 3, 2004, 1:52 PM EDT

VATICAN CITY --

He made saves as a soccer goalkeeper in his high school years in Poland, skied and kayaked in Europe and swam laps in the papal pool. Now Pope John Paul II has set up a sports department to give the Vatican a kind of new playing field in its drive to spread Christian values around the world.

The Vatican announced the initiative Tuesday, pointing to the millions of people who will follow the Olympics in Athens this month as proof of the important role sports plays in today's world.

"The Holy Father has always been interested in sports, and as a means of evangelization and a great way to form youth," said the Rev. Kevin Lixey, an American priest involved in establishing the department in the Pontifical Council for Lay People.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Humor; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: papacy; soccer; sports; vatican
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1 posted on 08/03/2004 2:53:18 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54

>>>> Now Pope John Paul II has set up a sports department to give the Vatican a kind of new playing field in its drive to spread Christian values around the world.

"Christian" values like pedophilia and sodomy? The Catholic church has no business organizing youth activities until they have shown REAL commitment about curing the cancers inside rather than just masking or relocating them.


2 posted on 08/03/2004 3:06:55 PM PDT by jojodamofo
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To: jojodamofo

Now come on. The Church organizes youth activities all the time. Sometimes I get the feeling that people are just trying to smear the Church. As in: you have no right to tell me what to do, how to live, what is and what is not a sin, until you get rid of all the abuse. Which by the way is just as prevalent among Protestant ministers, teachers, everyone who has access to children.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 3:36:19 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: jojodamofo

I agree with your screen name.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 3:40:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (It is time to breed the dangerous Pit Bull Terrier out of existence!)
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To: jojodamofo
"Christian" values like pedophilia and sodomy? The Catholic church has no business organizing youth activities

Do you have any idea how many CYO's - Catholic Youth Organizations - keep city kids off the streets? And who do you think is coaching these teams? Are you implying that Catholic parents (and grandparents) are going to molest their own children? I coach my grandson's basketball team and I'm telling you the Philadelphia cops love us. We have our games on Friday nights when a good number of Philadelphia's undirected youths are hanging around WaWa trying to get an adult to buy them cigarettes.

5 posted on 08/03/2004 5:04:15 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: Lilllabettt; sinkspur

I'm glad sports are becoming part of an official policy. One of the great things about CYO sports is that we can have girls teams and boys teams. The public schools have girls teams and co-ed teams - in other words no teams exclusively for boys. I really believe sports is a big part of growing healthy well adjusted young men. And that's a lot harder to do when boys are forced to play out their aggressions against girls.


6 posted on 08/03/2004 5:13:12 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: topcat54

And if this doesn't work, they might try opening up amusement parks. And if that doesn't work--how about a chain of restaurants, with the Blessed Sacrament served up with a side of spaghetti? This is obscene. These people are not Catholics.


7 posted on 08/03/2004 6:15:50 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Lilllabettt

No, you come on. These people haven't a clue. They should be investigating why our youth is not being catechized. To hell with a sports department!


8 posted on 08/03/2004 6:17:32 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: old and tired

It's their SOULS the Vatican should be worried about, but apparently isn't--not enough to improve catechesis. What a farce!


9 posted on 08/03/2004 6:21:22 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
This is all fine and good, I think sports can offer a lot to kids, but it does seem like they're living in some alternate universe.

It's hard for me to take this seriously. And most people will look upon this as concerning themselves with something less important than what they should be concerning themselves with.

It just makes them seem so out of touch. It's the Vatican PR equivalent of President Bush's SOTU steriod thing.

10 posted on 08/03/2004 6:28:45 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: ultima ratio
No, you come on. These people haven't a clue. They should be investigating why our youth is not being catechized. To hell with a sports department!

Would you have said that about Pius XII's birds, flying all over the Papal apartments? Lots of the commentary at the time implied Pius XII was goofy, and the birds indicated such.

UR, sometimes you seem so devoid of humanity I think "Ultima Ratio" is really a kiosk, spitting out anti-John Paul II propaganda on command.

Your stridency is approaching silly hysteria.

You're the one who looks totally out of touch, picking at every nit you can.

11 posted on 08/03/2004 7:03:32 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: jojodamofo

"pedophilia and sodomy? The Catholic church"

There were very, very few cases of pedophilia involved in the recent scandals.

There is disagreement on the number, but somewhere between 80 and 99 percent of the cases were ordinary, garden-variety homosexuals doing what ordinary, garden-variety homosexuals have always been known for--preying on teenage boys.

And when I say "always," I mean back to the dawn of recorded history. There's no way of knowing whether they limited themselves to people over 21 before that.


12 posted on 08/03/2004 7:08:36 PM PDT by dsc
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To: jojodamofo

Take your crap elsewhere, troll.


13 posted on 08/03/2004 7:17:43 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dsc
There is disagreement on the number, but somewhere between 80 and 99 percent of the cases were ordinary, garden-variety homosexuals doing what ordinary, garden-variety homosexuals have always been known for--preying on teenage boys.

The John Jay Study, done for the USCCB, said that 80 percent involved homosexual predatory behavior, 10% was pedophilia, and 10% was heterosexual predatory behavior.

14 posted on 08/03/2004 7:18:32 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: AlbionGirl
And most people will look upon this as concerning themselves with something less important than what they should be concerning themselves with

The Church doesn't care what public opinion says. And that's a good thing.
15 posted on 08/03/2004 7:18:54 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die

I don't think that's true, but I'm happy to agree to disagree.


16 posted on 08/03/2004 7:20:55 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: sinkspur

Lots of Europeans kept canaries as pets back then. My great grandfather kept birds. Nothing unusual about that. It's a hobby. FDR collected stamps. People in high stations have a right to relax. But instituting a "Sports Department" in the Vatican makes as much sense as instituting a "Movie Department." It shows Rome has absolutely lost its way--it hasn't a clue about where it's going or where it wants to go. It's only good at smashing things.


17 posted on 08/03/2004 7:21:40 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: AlbionGirl

It's especially bizarre when kids are being starved of the real faith and nobody seems much concerned. The decline in belief is totally ignored--deliberately ignored, I should say. What Rome apparently wants is to raise a generation ignorant of the faith--so that it may instill more modernist doctrines and replace two thousand years of inconvenient catechesis. If this isn't so--then why is it dithering with such nonsense instead of rolling-up its sleeves and preaching the Gospel?


18 posted on 08/03/2004 7:30:29 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Pfft!!! Right over your head, UR.

Can't you lighten up for five minutes?

You're like a friggin' machine. Do those lips ever turn up in a smile?

19 posted on 08/03/2004 7:35:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

"The John Jay Study, done for the USCCB"

Any study commissioned by the USCCB is tainted and unreliable. No other source I've seen has asserted even 5% pedophilia, much less 10.


20 posted on 08/03/2004 7:43:45 PM PDT by dsc
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To: sinkspur

You need to remember what you've written if you want me to lighten up. You said I was "devoid of humanity", I was strident and hysterical and out of touch.

Doesn't sound too light-hearted to me. Sounds more like one of your customary slams.


21 posted on 08/03/2004 7:43:47 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: sinkspur

Anyhow, I thought I was being pretty funny when I suggested the Vatican should try opening up some amusement parks while they were at it. And maybe a few restaurants.


22 posted on 08/03/2004 7:45:38 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I have no idea.

I will admit right off the bat that I'm not as smart as the Vatican people, but my confidence in them just keeps slipping and slipping and slipping, to the point where I'm staring to think perhaps Catholicism isn't my home anymore.

The only thing that keeps me Catholic is The Liturgy. It's true, I know it's true, and I don't want to abandon it, but I can't close my eyes to the things that seem so awry to me, so many of the Shepherds seem unwise and inattentive. It's a big struggle for me.

23 posted on 08/03/2004 7:48:41 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ('Will no one rid us of the meddlesome Priests?" "No one?")
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To: AlbionGirl

Hang in there. Things are changing. People are wising up. The Pope is old--things will either get better or worse when he's gone. If they get better--which I would doubt--then we'll all breathe a sigh of relief. But if they get worse, then the opposition will only grow stronger.


24 posted on 08/03/2004 8:05:24 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Anyhow, I thought I was being pretty funny when I suggested the Vatican should try opening up some amusement parks while they were at it. And maybe a few restaurants.

Dang! Your one attempt at humor, and I missed it!

What would a Vatican amusement park look like?

A carousel, with cherubs and saints for the kiddies to ride on.

The Ascension roller coaster--it takes you straight up into the heavens.

The Loaves and Fishes Restaurant--the only thing on the menu is fish and unleavened bread.

And, of course, the Cana Bar, where the wine never runs out!

25 posted on 08/03/2004 8:16:06 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

I like the Cana Bar.

I assume you pay a set price, and you drink as much as you want?


26 posted on 08/03/2004 8:21:00 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest
I assume you pay a set price, and you drink as much as you want?

Works for me.

Of course, the best wine is saved until last.

27 posted on 08/03/2004 8:24:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

"Of course, the best wine is saved until last."

I can accept this.


28 posted on 08/03/2004 8:26:04 PM PDT by sitetest (If my taglines were half as good as sinkspur's, I'd be a very decent fellow.)
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To: sitetest

The other thing I like about the Cana Bar is this woman, behind the bar, who's constantly telling the bartender, when I put an empty glass down, "Do whatever he tells you."


29 posted on 08/03/2004 8:35:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

The cherubs and saints, the loaves and the fishes, the Ascension rollercoaster--all too preconciliar. The new Vatican wouldn't go for that at all. It leans more towards something a little more generic and less Catholic--a few gods and goddesses, perhaps, with a couple of demons thrown in for good measure--the Vatican wouldn't want to exclude devout witchdoctors. Instead of a rollercoaster taking people up to Heaven, it would feature a Tunnel of Love for priests and their boyfriends--going straight in the opposite direction. It would also feature a snack bar where you can chase down the Blessed Sacrament with a cold Budweiser, just like at a papal Youth rally.


30 posted on 08/03/2004 8:52:38 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio; sitetest
It would also feature a snack bar where you can chase down the Blessed Sacrament with a cold Budweiser, just like at a papal Youth rally.

Funny, I've never seen anything but water at a Papal Youth Rally.

Even your attempts at humor are biting, humorless stabs at the Pope.

It's no wonder you raddie-traddies have the reputation you do.

Dour, scowling, grumpy, pissed-off frumps in lace and buckle shoes, wagging fingers at anybody who's having the least little bit of fun.

31 posted on 08/03/2004 9:05:51 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: ultima ratio; sinkspur

“You said I was "devoid of humanity", I was strident and hysterical and out of touch…Dour, scowling, grumpy, pissed-off frumps in lace and buckle shoes”

Ultima ratio, be comforted in the knowledge that these are not personal attacks, because personal attacks are not allowed here. Q.E.D.


32 posted on 08/03/2004 9:21:45 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Ultima ratio, be comforted in the knowledge that these are not personal attacks, because personal attacks are not allowed here. Q.E.D.

Is a "Budweiser chaser after the Blessed Sacrament" a personal attack?

Or is that just good fun, dsc?

33 posted on 08/03/2004 9:24:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

This was reported in The Remnant by Gerry Matatic who described bikers swilling the Blessed Sacrament down with beer at a youth rally. He also described the Sacred Hosts dropping in the mud and being stepped on as well as a pickup soccer game going on while the Pope was saying Mass.

If my humor was biting--it was intentional.


34 posted on 08/03/2004 9:32:44 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
This was reported in The Remnant

The Gospel of the Traddyland Movement.

Michael Matt would never, never, exaggerate or fabricate.

Yeah. Right.

35 posted on 08/03/2004 9:35:52 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

If I mention a sacrilege, then it's that which should offend you--not the fact that it happened at a papal Mass. Odd how you ignore the one, but take umbrage at the other.


36 posted on 08/03/2004 9:42:40 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: dsc

Ha. Talk about being humorous! Yours was the funniest post of all.


37 posted on 08/03/2004 9:44:28 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio

As I said, if I trusted the Remnant, I'd buy stock in it.


38 posted on 08/03/2004 9:45:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

Don't buy stock--take stock.


39 posted on 08/03/2004 9:48:19 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Don't come back and tell me I can't buy stock in "The Remnant."

That everlasting beacon of Catholicity, where the man at the helm has pledged to "Resist You (JPII) to Your Face".

Is Matt hoarding all that pent-up equity for his own gain?

I am cut to the quick!!!

40 posted on 08/03/2004 9:51:11 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

The Remnant is too focused on the things of Heaven to give a hoot whether you buy its stock or not. In fact, it operates on a shoestring--though it has an influence way out of proportion to its revenues. As for resisting the Pontiff to his face--it's necessary if Catholics are going to rescue the Church from the hijackers.


41 posted on 08/03/2004 9:59:11 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
The Remnant is too focused on the things of Heaven to give a hoot whether you buy its stock or not.

If Michael Matt gave a damn about heaven, he'd fire Attila Guimaraes and Christopher Ferrara, who are near occasions of sin to anyone who claims the name of "Catholic."

42 posted on 08/03/2004 10:04:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur

Sorry to take so long to reply. Had to go to the doctor. It seems my vertebrae are crumbling like rotting crockery. Yippee.

"Is a "Budweiser chaser after the Blessed Sacrament" a personal attack?"

Absolutely not. No way. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I am posolutely gobsmacked that this question was even asked.

"Or is that just good fun, dsc?"

Obviously it's not fun for the person whose ox is gored by that sarcastic humor, if he himself has no sense of humor. By every dictate of right reason, however, it is well within the bounds of fair comment and in no way a personal attack on any FR poster.


43 posted on 08/04/2004 5:29:09 AM PDT by dsc
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To: topcat54

Another way to waste money.


44 posted on 08/04/2004 7:14:14 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: sinkspur

Nice change of subject, sinkspur, so unlike you.

He made no mention of Michael Matt, but said that this was reported by Gerry Matatics in the Remnant. If it is the Remnant that bothers you, I have heard Matatics tell this story first hand. It was that experience at World Youth Day that pushed him to decide not to attend the Novus Ordo anymore.

For the record, Matatics was watching in horror as the Blessed Sacrament was being dropped in the mud and trampled, and he and another onlooker were doing their best to pick them and consume them.

Anyone who thinks this is a lie has obviously not witnessed the Catholic Woodstock atmosphere of WYD, as has been reported by numerous sources.


45 posted on 08/04/2004 9:04:42 AM PDT by bonaventura
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To: ultima ratio

yeah, I know its a little ridiculous. Setting up a sports department when theres a ton of other, vastly more important youth-centered stuff thats gots to be done. I was simply responding to the idea that the Church shouldn't be doing anything youth realted until it cleans up its abuse mess.


46 posted on 08/04/2004 11:01:12 AM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: topcat54; ultima ratio

Here's a recent traditio.com commentary which relates to this development:
It was only after he had left office that U.S. President Ronald Reagan was revealed to have Alzheimer's Disease. Then, in hindsight, some of his strange aberrancies became explainable. In our time, we may be witnessing a pope day by day losing his mind. In hindsight, the pattern is becoming clearer.

The pope's Church of the New Order -- or New Pentecost, or New Springtime, or whatever he calls it today -- is falling down around his knees.

Large numbers of his presbyters, bishops, and cardinals are deeply mired in immorality: whether theft from Church funds, sexual immorality, or apostasy from the Catholic Faith.
The "New Mass" that was foisted by illegal and invalid force upon the Church in the late 1960s has proven to be a disaster. Even the New Vatican talks about rampant "abuses." For the Novus Ordinarians, the novelty has worn off: attendance has plummeted from 80% in 1958 to 15% in 2003.
So widespread is the disintegration of Newchurch that "vocations" to it have almost completely dried up. New Order seminaries are closing all over the world, and many dioceses have no one to "ordain" this year.

So, what does this pope do? Does he follow his predecessors in calling for a renewed traditional devotion to Our Lord, the Blessed Virgin, the Holy Angels, and the Saints? No. Instead, we have the "Rock Star" pope, pandering to the godless music of the present age instead of promoting, as did his holy predecessors, the music of the Church. We have the "Movie Star" pope, mugging for the secular press. We have the "Flower Child" pope, recording beatnik poetry for worldwide CD distribution.

And now we have the "Sports Bum" pope, worshipping at the altar of what, for many people in the modern age, is the new god: the Great God of Sport. This new god comes with its altar (the playing field), its priests (the players), its congregation (the spectators), its hierarchy (the officials), and even its own theological vocabulary (sports-talk). [Newsday]

For, you see, the New Vatican on August 3 announced its latest initiative to restore the Catholic Faith in the world: it established a new Department of Sport.

And what is the purpose of this department of the New Vatican? According to the announcement, it is to do a P.R. job on behalf of professional sports, which have been "marred by stadium violence, athletes' failing doping tests, and game-fixing inquiries." We have come a long way from Pope Pius XII, who quite properly condemned as immoral professional boxing lethal high-speed car races. One wonders what he would have said about modern-day professional ice hockey, soccer, and football! Now his successor has done a 180-degree spin and become a pawn for professional sports.

And it gets worse than that. This is the pope's charge to the new department: "fostering a sports culture that promotes a vision of sports activity as a means of integral personal growth and as an instrument in the service of peace and brotherhood among peoples."

Has the pope gone mad? Are we to find our salvation now in greedy professional sports instead of Our Lord Jesus Christ? Let me rephrase that charge to what a real pope would say (it will take only two changes to make it Catholic): "fostering a religious culture that promotes a vision of spiritual activity as a means of integral personal growth and as an instrument to the service of peace and brotherhood among peoples."

It this a pope, or a frustrated pop-culture idol?


47 posted on 08/04/2004 9:41:08 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena

This is amazing, really. Yet I don't accept that the Pope is either mad or suffering from Alzheimer's. He seemed pretty lucid in his opposition to the war in Iraq. It's puzzling. There is certainly something strange about his behavior--and his inability to explain why he does what he does. He elevated Kasper--after the man questioned the historicity of the Gospels and the accounts of the Resurrection. That is so profoundly troubling, it boggles the mind. His language and behavior is more that of a secular humanist than that of a Catholic pontiff.

Add to this that we are told by Scripture that Jesus warned we would be led at times by false prophets who would look like sheep but would be wolves in sheep's clothing, and our puzzlement grows. Because a good tree cannot bear bad fruit; and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Yet the fruits have been uniformly bad in this pontificate! It keeps getting worse instead of better. Last year bishops cut out kneeling for Communion. This year Hindu priests are worshiping their gods at one of our most sacred altars, with the bishop of Fatima publicly bragging about it. In neither case did Rome utter even a syllable of reproach. Meanwhile an utterly orthodox movie about the Passion of Christ--which would have been hailed publicly with great appreciation and joy by preconciliar pontiffs--is shrugged off as a political problem. "The Pope doesn't review movies" was the official line. No, he only worries about Sports apparently.


48 posted on 08/04/2004 10:33:14 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: topcat54
A brief excerpt from Romano Amerio's Iota Unum. I would recommend everyone get a copy to read the rest of what he has to say regarding the Catholic view of sport.

"Sport does not of itself have anything to do with the perfecting of the human being or with his destiny, and is of no assistance in attaining either, since excellence in physical attainments is quite compatible with a weakening of the subordination of these lower powers to reason. It is only the exercise of the will that confers any worth on the exercise of physical strength, inasmuch as an exercise of the will can increase the power of a man's reason and the extent of his moral freedom. One should not imagine there is any continuum between the physical and moral orders. There is a leap involved, that only the moral will can make."

49 posted on 08/04/2004 10:54:33 PM PDT by Bellarmine
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To: Bellarmine; sinkspur; Conservative til I die; AlbionGirl; Lilllabettt; ultima ratio; dsc; ...
Sport does not of itself have anything to do with the perfecting of the human being or with his destiny, and is of no assistance in attaining either, since excellence in physical attainments is quite compatible with a weakening of the subordination of these lower powers to reason.

To be truthful, your entire quote was probably over my head. But I think it's saying that physical pursuits are not, in and of themselves, virtuous. I agree with that. However, to be a great athlete you necessarily need a strong will to overcome physical obstacles (cramping, inclement weather, exhaustion, etc.)

Since so many of society's sins today are sins of the flesh, I really believe the pope is on to something terrific here. A teenage boy who is not physically exhausted at the end of the day is more prone to temptations than one who is. That's just common sense. But look around at the children (boys especially) you know and think if they get all the exercise they need to tire themselves out. By and large, the answer is no.

I for one am excited about this development and I have great hopes for the new Vatican Sports Department.

50 posted on 08/05/2004 2:40:22 PM PDT by old and tired
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