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Religeous fundamentalism - Christian, Islamic and Judaic.

Posted on 08/05/2004 10:28:28 AM PDT by ADeanDemocrat

I would like to hear from other people whether they feel that George Bush is a devout Christian or not. I consider myself a devout Christian, and feel very uncomfortable with George Bush painting himself as being representative of my religeon.

It appears to me that fundamentalists within all the major religeons - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - are interested in heading our planet toward Armageddon. True Christians, Muslims and Jews ascribe themselves to the principles of religeous tolerence and peaceful co-existence.

I am interested in the opinions of others here re: this matter.


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1 posted on 08/05/2004 10:28:28 AM PDT by ADeanDemocrat
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Isn't Armageddon what the Bible promises us?

Isn't that one of the stops on the way to Paradise?

So9

2 posted on 08/05/2004 10:36:39 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
This country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. We as a nation, and I dare say this includes our political leadership, are not out to "Christianize" the world. As our founding fathers demonstrated, you can invoke the name of God, ask for His strength and wisdom, yet not include your religion in the Constitution.

It is the Islamic fundamentalists, such as bin Laden, that are out to "Islamicize" the world, as this is their stated goal. That having been said, please do not confuse the <10% of Islamic fundamentalists with the other 90% of Muslims in the world that are perfectly happy in practicing their religion in peace, and have others practice theirs in peace as well.

The fact that there are Christians in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and other middle east countries, and have been for centuries, is testament to this fact.

Then you have the Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia which prohibit religious freedom, and ban books such as the Torah and the Bible from their soil.

Please cite even once where George W. Bush has stated that the war on terror will not end until every last terrorist converts to Christianity.

3 posted on 08/05/2004 10:42:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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4 posted on 08/05/2004 11:07:15 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (George W. Bush - LET'S ROLL! --------------------- John F. Kerry - Let's Roll over...)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

The Bible essentially says of the Jews conquering Cannan, that if you don't use it, you'll lose it.


5 posted on 08/05/2004 11:11:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: MeekOneGOP; Zavien Doombringer

Deaniac troll.


6 posted on 08/05/2004 11:15:08 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (George W. Bush - LET'S ROLL! --------------------- John F. Kerry - Let's Roll over...)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
I feel very uncormfortable with you presenting yourself as being representative of my religion.

See, any number of people can play that game.

Do you subscribe to the Nicene Creed, BTW?

7 posted on 08/05/2004 11:17:12 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
I am interested in the opinions of others...

Opinion #1 It's spelled "Religious."

Opinion #2 Re: True Christians, Muslims and Jews ascribe themselves to the principles of religeous(sic) tolerence (sic) and peaceful co-existence.

Someone should have informed Jesus of this fact. He demonstrated remarkably little tolerance for the self-righteous people who thought themselves to be RELIGEOUS...

8 posted on 08/05/2004 11:20:43 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: ADeanDemocrat
I would like to hear from other people whether they feel that George Bush is a devout Christian or not. I consider myself a devout Christian, and feel very uncomfortable with George Bush painting himself as being representative of my religeon.

Two comments:

1. As a "devout Christian," you are undoubtedly aware of the danger of trying to judge another's devotion. (See Matthew 7:1–5, if you have forgotten.)

2. In what way has George W. Bush ever painted himself as representative of your religion?
9 posted on 08/05/2004 11:30:05 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: ADeanDemocrat; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; an amused spectator; ..
I consider myself a devout Christian, and feel very uncomfortable with George Bush painting himself as being representative of my religeon.

First, let me tell you...

I am a christian. There isn't anything GW has done to corrupt my faith.

Second. Christianity isn't a religion, it is a faith.

Thirdly, you are a troll and need to repent from your sin...I can help you with that.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA

Zot!
Did you feel that?


10 posted on 08/05/2004 11:30:25 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

11 posted on 08/05/2004 11:32:33 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: ADeanDemocrat; hchutch; mhking; Zavien Doombringer

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12 posted on 08/05/2004 11:33:38 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: wolicy_ponk

Thanks for the tip! :)


13 posted on 08/05/2004 11:36:32 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: ADeanDemocrat; Zavien Doombringer; MeekOneGOP


Take him out!
14 posted on 08/05/2004 11:38:37 AM PDT by wjcsux (Don't be a girly man! Vote Republican!)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Sponge Bob is the antichrist!


15 posted on 08/05/2004 12:04:37 PM PDT by OSHA (Total Waste: Using your God given intelligence to reason Him out of existence.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Your idea of a good Christian?


16 posted on 08/05/2004 12:14:04 PM PDT by OSHA (Total Waste: Using your God given intelligence to reason Him out of existence.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
I consider myself a devout Christian, and feel very uncomfortable with George Bush painting himself as being representative of my religeon.

That doesn't sound very religeously tolerant of you.

17 posted on 08/05/2004 1:03:03 PM PDT by VRWCmember (I actually ignored this thread before I posted to it. jfk, 08/2004)
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To: wolicy_ponk; ADeanDemocrat; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; ...
Whoops! I'm late getting here, but definitely .....

He's dead, Jim.
(Click here or on the pic).

Re: ADeanDemocrat


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.


18 posted on 08/05/2004 2:02:21 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ADeanDemocrat; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; OSHA; timpad; Darksheare

you, again?


19 posted on 08/05/2004 2:14:33 PM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

Please learn to spell. Thanks


20 posted on 08/05/2004 2:16:16 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

Ronnie (I'm not a Junior, I miss my tu-tu, and I am oh soooooooo much more sophisticated than thou) Reagan? Is that you?


21 posted on 08/05/2004 2:17:41 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person)
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To: ADeanDemocrat; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

heat up the tar.
crush that gravel.
fire up them engines.

"ADeanDemocrap" might still be twitching - kick it in the head if you are feeling merciful.


22 posted on 08/05/2004 2:17:45 PM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: wjcsux
hahaha! Good shot sharpshooter!

Love that pic. :^)


23 posted on 08/05/2004 2:18:07 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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24 posted on 08/05/2004 2:18:16 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

Thanks for stopping by!

Pick up your glass of lemonade on your way out, and don't let the screen door smack you in the backside.


25 posted on 08/05/2004 2:23:04 PM PDT by najida (Would you like some Ketchup with your rice?)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

You shall learn a NEW definition of PAIN.


26 posted on 08/05/2004 2:29:19 PM PDT by Darksheare (Tagline Abuse is an under-reported crime. Please help abused taglines today. Call 1-999-TAG-ABUZE.)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

The First Church of Trite chimes in.


27 posted on 08/05/2004 2:39:21 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: MeekOneGOP

Judaic????

Man I cant wait for school to start, you would think if they can use a computer, they could use spell check....

I am suffering from Deja Moo big time


28 posted on 08/05/2004 3:08:22 PM PDT by backinthefold (Deja Moo.... the feeling you have heard this bull before)
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To: King Prout

A lovely shrub is ready. Is the asphalt heated up yet?


29 posted on 08/05/2004 3:08:26 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
It appears to me that fundamentalists within all the major religeons - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - are interested in heading our planet toward Armageddon.

You of course are aware that Jews do not believe in Armageddon and neither do Muslims correct?

Or are you terminally ignorant?

True Christians, Muslims and Jews ascribe themselves to the principles of religeous tolerence and peaceful co-existence.

There is of course a fatal flaw in that. True Muslims believe in no such thing, you are Muslim or you submit.

Question answered, you are terminally ignorant.

And I doubt you are a Christian in anything but the social sense if you are one at all.

30 posted on 08/05/2004 3:16:22 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew")
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To: ADeanDemocrat; King Prout



31 posted on 08/05/2004 3:17:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: SandyInSeattle

Bunny is standing by. I repeat, Bunny is standing by.


32 posted on 08/05/2004 3:18:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew")
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To: ADeanDemocrat

Wow..you didn't last long TROLL! Own a Bible? If so, have you read the whole thing or just the passages that fit your perspective?

Buh-bye.


33 posted on 08/05/2004 3:19:08 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Winner of the RKBA 10K. What's my secret? I exercise regularly, and take Trollitol every morning.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Standing by to paint and show Viking Kitty Foxtone Newsreel.


34 posted on 08/05/2004 3:22:09 PM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more "home movies" of the Kerry campaign)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
ascribe themselves to the principles

Ay! Unh?

Ascribe themselves to?

That be not good English, my friend.

35 posted on 08/05/2004 3:29:18 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: ADeanDemocrat; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

oh, joy: yet another round of the moral-equivalency tango.

Christianity and Islam are not significantly different in their holy texts, eh?

OK, try this on for size:
You tried to equate Christianity with Islam. This is why I ask you to find even one passage, relating to religion and treatment of others, which fulfills the following requirements:

1. in the "catholic" post-Nicaea Christian testament (but I'll gladly throw it open to the Jewish book)
2. a literal...
3. plain-text...
4. indisputable...
5. ongoing present-tense (as opposed to a one-shot past-tense record of history/folklore - ie: Joshua)...
6. commandment from God (not a pope or a bishop or some >a-hem!< televangelist)...
7. as a directive to the believer to take literally and actively in the temporal realm
8. to do any or all of the following:
-a. to slay the heretic and non-believer,
-b. to forcibly convert the heretic and non-believer,
-c. to enslave the heretic and non-believer,
-d. to persecute the heretic and non-believer,
-e. to wage holy war upon the heretic and non-believer
9. Directly analogous to the dozens thereof in the Koran.

(so you know, things like II Thessalonians 1:8,9 don't count - that is God kicking ass, not his faithful doing so for him. An important distinction equivocators seem to like to sweep under the rug.)

Now, turnabout:
Find JUST ONE passage in either the Koran or the Sunnah which is the direct analogue of the Parable of the Samaritan, or the directive to the witness to leave an unbeliever in peace - to "knock the dust of his home from their soles as they leave" - rather than butcher him in zealous fury, or to the believer contained in I Cor 7:12-17, or I Cor 10:32, or II Cor 6:14-18, or Ephesians 6:10-12, or... do you get the point?
Find JUST ONE comparable passage in the Koran or the Sunnah.
Good luck - I have been looking for over a year and have not found any such analogues.

(Now, on to ZOTtage:)

ON THE NATURE OF ZOT!

"What actually happens when a zot happens?"

Are you sure you wanna know?

Ok. The rest of you, I thought you might find this amusing. Here y'go:

The first thing that happens is that the troll's daddy and its other daddy feel that "special way" about each other.

Then, about nine months later, the stork does a flyby of the expectant parents - but not just any stork, no... this is a SPECIAL stork. A leprous, blighted, tattered, pus-dripping noxious braindead zombie stork, bearing its bundle of oozing misery - the gurgling drooling idiotic leftist democratic meatpuppet we know as the "troll".

Then, some decades later, when the troll matures (should I say, instead, "ripens"?) to the mental age of three, some benevolent but misguided soul shows it how to operate a net-linked computer when the circus freakshow keeper is not paying attention.

In a virtual case of water (though "water" is not precicely the fluid I mean) seeking its own level, the troll automatically finds its bumbling way to that hot-spot of all drooling retards, democrappicundergrown.compostheap.

The troll is so delighted to at long last be among wits of its own base level that it dissolves in a feculent bubbling mass of outgassing putrescence. When it re-coalesces in its new blighted environs, it takes the form and function best suited to the Elite Masters of its race - the mindless slobbering sightless clammy-fisted eunuch known publicly by many names (Deaniac being one, Clintoonista another, and a more recent species called a JKoff) but known privately to their owners as "useful idiots."

These useful idiots are spewn forth like the gibbering overflow of a well-used and fermented satanic port-o-let, to contaminate, stain, and stink up the more wholesome and cleanly realms of the internet, so that the great old ones - Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep, and the Unmentionable One (Teddy Kennedy) among them - can spread their glandered dominion ever farther.

Such purulent squamous masses soon or late wash up upon our shores.

They invariably burble their flatulent war cries.

This sudden gust of methane and stinks of less describable nature rouse the denizens of this fair land to wrath and vengeance.

Cruel and merciless warriors known as the Viking Kitties descend upon the hapless blob of noisome jelly, gashing it with barbs of wit and pith.

Such martial valor alerts the Almighty Mods of this land.

Jove thunders.

Lighning strikes! (ZOT!)

Methane emanations ignite!

And they detonate, flashing into an expanding pink mist of DUh.

There you have it, then. The short (and postable) version.

*****

RKBA-6-ACTUAL TO ALL RKBA ELEMENTS: COMMENCE INDEPENDENT AND/OR COORDINATED OPERATIONS AT WILL.


36 posted on 08/05/2004 3:29:26 PM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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37 posted on 08/05/2004 3:40:47 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

38 posted on 08/05/2004 3:41:41 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: ADeanDemocrat

The BIG ZOT in the sky has called you home.
You do not even get any old women.


39 posted on 08/05/2004 3:43:52 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Bunny has been launched.


40 posted on 08/05/2004 3:44:55 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew")
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To: King Prout
RKBA-6-ACTUAL TO ALL RKBA ELEMENTS: COMMENCE INDEPENDENT AND/OR COORDINATED OPERATIONS AT WILL.

ROGER!


41 posted on 08/05/2004 3:47:28 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Here. Smoke some more of these. You'll feel better...


42 posted on 08/05/2004 3:48:53 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ADeanDemocrat


43 posted on 08/05/2004 3:48:54 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: 4mycountry

mine blinketh not, but goes from a gray "Pings" to a red "New Posts to You"


44 posted on 08/05/2004 3:50:13 PM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: scott0347
Oooh, pretty pics! Those deserve some memorial water lilies!


45 posted on 08/05/2004 3:52:26 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
"True Christians, Muslims and Jews ascribe themselves to the principles of religeous tolerence and peaceful co-existence.

I am interested in the opinions of others here re: this matter."


While we're waiting for the paving crew to pave your stuned beeber, let's tell some Bible stories. I don't pretend to speak for anyone on this site but myself, so don't paint everyone here with the same brush. (I plan on doing some painting later, but that's a different story).

So, let's start way back in Gen. 14 with Abraham because "True Christians, Muslims and Jews" all consider him as their father and a great man of God. But what happened when some bad people took Lot, his nephew? Well in verse 14 the Scripture tells us, "And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants,..." Where did he get those arms? He had them already. Not only did he have them, but everybody in his household knew how to use them. Because "...he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan." This is not an offensive move, but defensive. The ungodly had attacked first and these actions were to get his nephew back. Abraham defeated the bad guys, rescued Lot and got all his stuff back. On the way home, they ran into Melchizedek.

When you read Hebrews 7, you'll find that Melchizedek was the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ. If Abraham had done anything wrong, right then would have been the time for God to correct him and say, "You shouldn't have done that as a Christian. You shouldn't have taken up arms." But notice what Melchizedek did. Verses 19 and 20 say, "And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all." God was not displeased.

Too Old Testament for you? Well, let's fast forward to the New Testament for a refresher course. Luke 22:35 says, "And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing." This is Jesus talking to his disciples. "Then he said unto them, But now,..." This is a big But now, so pay attention because Jesus is getting his disciples ready to minister on this earth without him. These are final instructions before he heads to the cross for our sins. "But now, He that hath a purse, let him take it,..." Keep your money with you. "...And likewise his scrip:..." That is your Bible. "...And he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke 22:36) That's right, your weapon is more important than the clothes on your back. "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me,..." Jesus is speaking of his own death. He said, "Now look, I have to die, but you don't". "... And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end." (Luke 22:37) That's his earthly ministry.

Now liberals will always say that the word sword refers to the Bible, but it obviously doesn't as he mentions this in scrip.

Now, for some of the Scripture which I feel is the most mis-quoted in modern times.

Mathew 26:51 And behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched forth his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up thy sword into his place: OK, stop right there for a minute. Jesus didn't tell him to put his sword away, or disarm. He told him to put it in it's place. That would be back on his side, ready for use. And now, this is the most currently misquoted Scripture. for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Hmmm. Go look it up. It says they that take weapons will die by weapons. (Looking for your Bible? Make sure it is the correct King James, not some corrupted English translation.)

I'll be on standby for the painting while your looking.
46 posted on 08/05/2004 4:01:51 PM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more "home movies" of the Kerry campaign)
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To: ADeanDemocrat
Here is something to read while we finish toying with you


47 posted on 08/05/2004 4:07:08 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: King Prout
KP, I think Bidden may be talking about people like you and me in this speech he gave at the DNC a few days ago. Sounds like he wants to put us under the sword. I know he is being ambiguous on purpose, but he is directing his comments at people that "quote Scripture". What do you think? I think he means us and he is catering to the god haters.

566 KB wmv file of Sen. Joe Biden's Comments at 2004 DNC
Transcript:

Our friends on the other side love to quote the Bible.
Just as Joshua's trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho, just as American values brought down the Berlin Wall,
So will radical Fundamentalists fall to the terrible swift power of our ideas as well as our swords.
48 posted on 08/05/2004 4:13:34 PM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more "home movies" of the Kerry campaign)
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49 posted on 08/05/2004 4:24:24 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347
Ah, painting time!


50 posted on 08/05/2004 4:26:03 PM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more "home movies" of the Kerry campaign)
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