To: Hermann the Cherusker; saradippity; american colleen; sinkspur; Dominick; narses; BlackElk; ...
...since it was he [JPII] who removed all debate on the topic by solemnly dogmatizing the moral teaching against abortion in Evangelium Vitae.
You are absolutely right H-t-C. It is astonishing at how easily this thread, filled with opinion from good Catholics could feed the ammo of the Enemy.
Stop and think: Do mistakes, accidents not happen anymore? Who has posted [from the "fact filled" comprehensive article] what JPII's reaction is to this incident? Is the communion line for the Pope's distribution somehow monitored so that the recipient's state of grace is guaranteed? Did the Italian man meet with his bishop to clear up his pro-
death choice position so that he could worthily receive Communion? Do you believe that John Paul II did this purposely?
Lastly, lest a lurker think this thread's content expresses otherwise: it is NEVER appropriate to use the Most Holy Eucharist as some sort of "gotchya tool" to further an opinion/agenda on a matter. NEVER!!!!
posted on 08/10/2004 7:03:17 AM PDT
(« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
Lastly, lest a lurker think this thread's content expresses otherwise: it is NEVER appropriate to use the Most Holy Eucharist as some sort of "gotchya tool" to further an opinion/agenda on a matter. NEVER!!!! FReegards.
DING! Absolutely correct!
Some folks will use anything to show that the Pope is somehow apostate, and that any disobedience is justified.
Shall I send you flowers, or some new baseballs?
posted on 08/10/2004 7:06:35 AM PDT
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
Is the communion line for the Pope's distribution somehow monitored so that the recipient's state of grace is guaranteed?
We are talking about manifest grave sin. This former mayor is known to publicly advocate abortion [read: sin]. Do you think the Pope doesn't know who the mayor of Rome is, or the political positions held by said mayor, at any given time?
Having said that, I don't believe that the Pope would knowingly commit a sacrilege. If anyone is playing "gotcha" it is the person who "reported" this incident. She is obviously on the abortion supporters should be able to receive Communion side of the issue and has not presented all of the relevant facts.
posted on 08/10/2004 7:27:09 AM PDT
"Do you believe that John Paul II did this purposely?"
The pope gave Communion to Tony Blair, didn't he?
posted on 08/10/2004 9:19:54 AM PDT
(Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
To: GirlShortstop; Maeve; narses
This thread is almost an unparalleled example of how the left works and the effectiveness of same. It also provides an oppurtunity to squeeze the lemon and make some lemonade and reinforce a lesson of which we should be ever mindful.
How does the left work?Take an unsubstantiated item,hold it until the time is right,(three years,on this one)treat it as a fact,extrapolate,conflate,attribute and assume whatever is needed about any of the characters on either side that will illustrate the origiinal objective in putting it forth. Then introduce it to the larger public via any venue,link it and disseminate it far and wide,and sit back and watch it take on a life of its own.
How effective is it?Many,good,intelligent Catholics on this very thread are responding as if the article relayed enough factual information to merit discussion.
How do you make lemonade out of it?You use it to add to your knowledge base. The article does allow confirmation of the identity of certain usual suspects and connects them to media channels they use to further their agendas.
We see McCarrick,Pilarzcyk,John Allen,NPR,NCR,St.Anthony's Messinger,The Boston Globe,MSNBC,Terry Gross,Melinda Henneberger,a letter writer to Catholic World News,Kerry,the Environment 2004 committee,Mayor Rutelli and pro-choicers linked,albeit loosely in some cases,and spreading an unconfirmed report,now accepted as a fact,that the Pope gave communion to a pro-abort politician,ergo,the Pope advocates communion for unrepentent pro-abortion politicians.
What lesson can we learn? We should always remember that the left can magnify a piece of lint in an asphalt stadium parking lot to the point the unwary reader can imagine that the entire 7th Fleet has run aground and is marooned in the parking lot of the local football field. Might make most people just decide to stay home instead of attending the game,no?
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