Good to "see you" Des.
Today's Gospel [read by our celebrant], was modified as follows in red:
- "....the promise he made to our fathers, and mothers, to Abraham and his children forever."
Posted on 08/15/2004 11:42:32 AM PDT by ninenot
Papal Masses are perfect examples where "local customs" and "in these or similar words" are observed.
If you spend your Masses dwelling on where, and when, a priest deviates from rubrics, you ought to find yourself a Mass where you don't have to do that.
Well, see, the rubrics should be so ingrained that they are reflex - at least, that's the way it is for me. It's very jarring when something goes wrong or isn't there. They tell us it's just external trappings, but every Mass I attend with no bells, just seems to be lacking something.
I realize that the rubric infractions at my parish are minor, but still...
There's any number of bishops that can go to Iran.
Red letters it is, but usually it is the big red letter at the top of the chapter.
Such as the T missing from the top of this article.
I have never described myself as such, nor has The Roman Catholic Church declared I am a sedevacantist.
No, that doesn't line up. It's not supposed to be kosher, but what can you do? In the heat of the moment, there isn't much you can do.
The Mass I attended yesterday had it's share of the little "fixes" and it was said by our auxiliary. He gave a good homily, but there were enough little things that were changes, to make me uncomfortable.
The consecration is valid, but not LICIT. That is, transubstantiation is effected, but the deficiency in the chalice means that there is something wrong in the rubrics.
See your FReepmail.
"Father, someone from CCC was telling me the other day that Catholics don't believe in transubstantiation any more but we believe in consubstantiation now. Is that right? What exactly is consubstantiation?"
An excellent suggestion, but NWU better have oxygen handy, because he may not like the answer he gets.
I am absolutely convinced that at least one active pastor up here simply does not believe in transubstantiation.
Good analogies indicate that you have good higher-order thinking skills.
My wife had no such delusions--thus she remains sane. Now she merely sends notes about the position of the toilet seat.
Pronounce it SKIL-bah, or, if you prefer, Minor Leader of the Grand American Resistance to Authority.
Were he a doctor, he'd be a quack. Just like Gumbleton of Detroit--
He's a jerk, and it's well known that he is the MAJOR cross for Abp. Dolan to carry up here.
Infantile is a good word, by the way. Like Rembert, he's a member of the 'arrested development' group which still holds sway in most Chanceries in this country.
Manhood evades him.
[With a great sense of irony, Sinky brings up Jesuits in the same sentence as 'rubrics.']
The point, again, my dear Sink, is that Sklba's making this stuff up. I will concede that there may be some 5 or 10 individuals in this Archdiocese who have a fixation--that is, they are pathological on the subject--but S. wants us to take a different lesson: laissez-faire.
He's creating a straw man to knock down ANY rational discussion.
When he throws the "heresy" bomb, it's comparable to using "Hitler" on an internet post.
Uhhhnnnhh, if we accept the literal meaning of your screen-name, your sensitive and kindly priest said that to make YOU feel included and welcome. WHY do you resent his improvement on the Word of God?
"Sicut locutus est ad patros nostros Abraham et semini ejus in saecula" is the Latin. Obviously, Mary forgot about the mothers..../sarcasm.
Are you certain? Pinging some legal beagles.
IIRC, m4629 was able to quote documentation which does not support your theory--rather, it tends to dis-prove it.
LOL
Who are these people who are taking obedience to a heretical level? This is a straw-man.
This is a poorly argued excuse for looking the other way when priests abuse the liturgy.
There are no significant group of people who believe that the rubrics are saving works or "magic."
I frankly question whether there are any such people, but you can just about always find one oddball somewhere.
This bishop is slandering people who are simply trying to realize their right to proper liturgy. It's frankly despicable that a bishop would right such a thing.
Our Holy Father in "Ecclesia De Eucharistia" wrote: "Liturgy
is never anyone's private property, be it of the celebrant
or of the community in which the mysteries are celebrated...
Priests who faithfully celebrate Mass according to the liturgical norms, and communities which conform to those norms, quietly but eloquently demonstrate their love for the Church."
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