Posted on 08/21/2004 6:32:54 PM PDT by Viva Christo Rey
Good night.
Neither was Thomas. Doubting Thomas, that is, who said he would not believe in the Resurrection until he stuck his hand into Christ's wounds.
Hey, don't forget your Rosary. A Rosary a day keeps the devil away. Pleasant dreams.
I'm Thomas on private revelations. I'm not Thomas on belief in the promises of the Good Lord.
This would make an excellent tagline! Can I use it?
Use it.
The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by 70,000 people on the hillsides of Portugal. I wouldn't call that "private".
Yes. Public revelation ended with the New Testament.
.Maybe it's time for Mary to uphold her end of the bargain.
Or, just pray and work for peace yourself.
Ah......at those words, I can just hear the liturgists, modernistsm and random Novus Ordinarians purring like kittens. Marty Haugen, Dan Schutte, David Hass, and all the rest are feverishly working to set such a poetic text to "neus schectesmusik"!
After all, Mary is a stumbling block to a thoroughgoing liturgical praxis. But since the mere mention of her name make rich widows with large checkbooks coo, let's sing one verse of a "Mary song", and we will get lots of money with which to fund Pax Christi, CHD and other such black holes where we can actually re-route money to ourselves.
Or......so saith the modernist lavendar mob which has hijacked the church in the blizzard of bovine feces which is called the "spirit of Vatican II"......
The Mother of God made no "bargain" with man. She came as a messenger for God. He had no bargain to offer - the only bargain ever offered to man was through the death of the God made Man on Calvary. Mary delivered a message, and some promises of God, which were conditional on the reponse of men - churchmen - to this message.
There was no bargain at Fatima; rather there was an "either - or" proposition. Either: man turn to God in prayer, penance and amendment of life - the Holy Father in 1960 must reveal the third message of Fatima for all the world to read and know - and consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
OR: everything which has happened since 1960 would happen. The destruction of Christian society. Wars, and massive bloodshed. Widespread persecution of Christians - wholesale slaughter in some areas. Nature in upheavel. The Holy Father would have much to suffer. The church in eclipse - whole nations falling into unfaith, untold millions of souls lost. The church nearly destroyed from within by evil churchmen - that Satan himself would enter their hearts, and cause them to lose charity, faith, and cause them to serve him instead of God.
A great overall demonic disorientation of the mind - the loss of conscience; a darkening of the mind to the light of the Holy Spirit. That men would not know what is happening around them, and not see the signs of the times.
Pope John XXIII - "good" pope John - chose "OR". We have been living with the consequences of that "OR" for 44 years now. We live now in the time of the bizarre upside-down sign of the cross in the sky. But most men's minds are too clouded to see it.
But there is a happy ending - with God there always is. As Mary said: "in the end the holy Father will consecrate Russia - it will be late, but not too late, and there will be peace for a while".
It is all in scripture - look of for it, and you will find it. Seek all, and you will find all. And then you will not be blinded by the glory of the Woman Clothed With the Sun.
Brilliant post, man.
Except that the consecration of Russia has twisted certain segments of the Church into knots, and has allowed a more nefarious offshoot to materially profit from maintaining a checklist that it has used to chastise Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II because they have not fulfilled the letter of some proclamation.
If this is really "nothing new at all," why don't the Grunerites bag their high dudgeon over the consecration of Russia?
Surely Pius XII's consecration of the entire world to the Immaculate Heart is sufficient!
The quibbling is akin to Mary saying to Jesus "Go out and mow our yard." So Jesus goes out and mows every yard in the neighborhood, and comes back and informs His mother.
And the Grunerite Mary would say "But I only told you to mow OUR yard!"
Nothing about Fatima, or approximating Fatima, is in Scripture.
Your "OR" is superstitious nonsense. And blaming the events subsequent to 1960 on John XXIII, who is destined for sainthood, is the height of supercilliousness.
Your green-eye-shade-god is not the God who died between two thieves. In fact, your god sounds deistic, to me. He's off in the ether, impervious to the suffering, and hopes and dreams of mankind.
The games of the Grunerites continue.....
Mary's appearances at Fatima were approved by the Church. That's all.Her words and requests are not part of that official sanction.
Here we have words which speak of the essense of the problem: the refusal of the church to listen and truly heed the message delivered by the Mother of God. If Fatima is judged to be officially "worthy of belief", then all of it - the whole tamale, words signs and all are worthy of belief. Period.
After all, we received the Ten Commandments from some old dude dressed in peasant clothing who had been hanging out in the heights of a mountain for some 40 days. There were no witnesses to his alleged reception of the Ten Commandments from the hand of God. None at all. He could have smoking weed up on that mountain and written the "commandments" by himself.
Yet we believe Moses - who had no witnesses..........and we do not want to believe that Our lady appeared at Fatima, or what she said, or the Miracle of the Sun - which was witnessed by some 75,000 people.....many of whom were skeptics or athiests.
It all comes down to FAITH. It always has. It always will.
If church men had faith....had believed in and properly acted upon what Our Lady has been saying to man in apprations over the last 150 years, we would not be in the straits we see ourselves in today.
"But if the whole truth of the Third Secret had been revealed in 1960, there could have been..........."
Faith. Trust. Hope. That is all God has ever been about, and he has never failed.
But the church and the world are as they are today, because churchmen did not act properly on the words of Our Lady. Thay lacked faith - and now we live with the consequences.
Superstitious nonsense. In fact, it is Pharasaical superstitious nonsense.
Oh, since you quote my words, it would be courteous if you would address me, or include me in your pings. You don't have to, of course, but I will note your lack of basic manners whenever it occurs.
I'm trying to get people to live in THIS LIFE and die with Christ in THIS LIFE.
The next life will take care of itself if we live as Christ did IN THIS LIFE.
Well who is going to disagree with that?
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