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WHO ARE THE KENITES? islamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!
08/05/04

Posted on 09/05/2004 5:20:47 AM PDT by repub32

Who Are The Kenites?

1Chronicles 2:55 1Ch 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, [and] Suchathites. These [are] the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

This word Kenites in the Hebrew is the Strong's Concordance number 7017 and 7014. Below are the meanings of this word in the Hebrew.

7017--patron. from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.

7014-- the same as 7013 ( with a play upon the affinity of 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also a place in Pal. and of an Oriental tribe: -Cain, Kenites.

Cain in the Hebrew is 7014 also which further denotes the fact that we are speaking of Cain the first child the father of the kenites.

That is why 7017 says a member of the tribe of Kajin which is Cain. Cain is the father of the kenite tribe or family.

With that being said and clarified, lets now go on further and check out just who is the father of Cain and you will begin to see why he was so evil and could kill / murder his brother Abel. As well as why the kenites / those who claim to be of our brother Judah or a Jew and or not could kill Christ.

Genesis 3:1-16

Who is Cain's Father? Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

This word serpent in the Hebrew means a hiss of a snake or a whisper or magic spell and enchanter.

Subtil means more cunning and crafty usually in a bad sense.

This serpent is none other than Satan himself, as noted in 2Corinthians 11:1-3 below where the word serpent in the Greek means satan and these very verses are referring to what happened here in Genesis 3 with Eve. And how satan beguiled or holy seduced and slept with Eve, for the word beguiled in the Greek means to Holy seduce.

2Corinthians 11:1-3 2Cr 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in [my] folly: and indeed bear with me. 2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Even Paul taught about what happened between Eve and satan. He knew she was seduced by satan.

Satan is asking Eve [for snakes cannot talk] hath God said ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Bear in mind trees in the bible are symbolic of people.

In this garden we had trees good for food, as well as the tree of life [ which is Christ] and also the the tree of knowledge of good and evil [satan], as noted in Genesis 2:9.

Satan is going to tempt Eve to disobey God, just as he will us today if we do not stay sharp in God's word. Satan is a charmer who will attempt to charm you with lies that sound so right, yet they do not align with God's word.

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

This is speaking of satan / the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as noted in Genesis 2:16-17. Only satan could teach one evil ways. And satan is very wise and knows God's word better than most christians. only problem is he twist God's word to mislead people, as he attempted to do to Christ in Matthew 4. Even satan knows there is but one God, as noted in James 2:19 and trys to keep people uneducated about that one true God.

This word touch in the Hebrew means to lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman). Listening to satan's lies kills one spiritually to understanding the true word of God. We will see further on in this chapter that Eve did not eat an apple, but rather slept with satan and from that came Cain. This is why Cain is not mentioned in Adam's geneology in Genesis 5. Abel isn't mentioned for he was murdered and did not live long enough to produce an offspring. Cain has his own geneology in Genesis 4:16-24.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Here we have satan tempting and trying to charm Eve to disobey God's word telling her you won't die like God said you would. This is satan's MO [ method of operation]. He is a charmer and trys to say it is o.k. if we twist God's word a little here and a little there so we can do as we like. Watch out. Do not be fooled by satan and only believe God's word.

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Satan is lying here. For to listen to satan and his lies, closes ones eyes to the truth of God's word and makes one listen to evil instead of God and that which is good.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Eve allowed satan to snow her under with lies and she found him to be one handsome dude. She not only listened to satan's lies, but slept with him also as you'll see in a few more verses for their is a conception spoken of in a few more verses. He not only deceived Eve, but slept with Adam also [in my opinion]. For there is no mention of Adam knowing [sleeping with] Eve until Genesis 4:1, which took place AFTER she slept with satan and conceived Cain. Eve gave birth to twins and they had different fathers. This still today is medically possible and has happened. Lets take a closer look at Genesis 4:1-2.

Gen4:1 AND Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

When Eve gave birth she had twins. Cain was born first from Eve's first conception with satan. Yes she did get a child from the LORD, for all babies are a gift from God, but this does not change the fact that Cain was satan's son, as we will further document in this study.

Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Again in the Hebrew means she continued in labour. So here we see that Cain and Abel were twins with different fathers. That is why Cain was so evil and could kill his own brother.

It was not eating an apple that made God angry [no apple even mentioned here], but Adam and Eve listening to satan's lies sleeping with satan. Satan through this was trying to corrupt the seedline in which Christ would come through to attempt to disrupt God's overall plan of salvation and Christ being born.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

They were not trying to cover their mouth, but their private parts to attempt to cover up what they had done.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Trying to cover their sin.

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.

Adam confessed to knowing he was naked and that he was afraid of God for he had partook of the tree God told them not to touch.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

God is coming down on Adam for being disobedient to Him and listening to satan and allowing satan to deceive them. Just as today God does not like it when we allow satan to mislead us with false doctrine, that causes us to whore around with traditions of men instead of God's word.

Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Here we have Adam explaining why he slept with satan and was seduced by him. Adam here saying Eve talked me into it. LOL Trying to place all the blame on Eve. If someone misleads us, it is because WE ALLOW IT to happen. Still Adam should not have fallen for it. Never go with the majority and ALWAYS study God's word and think for yourself.

Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Here we have Eve explaining to God that satan had seduced her, which is what beguiled means. This is also what Paul was warning us of in 2Corinthians 11:1-3.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Here we have God coming down on satan for seducing Eve. This just means satan is lower than a snakes belly. He is cursed and never going to amount to anything for he will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed here means child in the Hebrew. We know it is not physical seed like to plant in a garden, for seeds in a garden do not have enmity towards one another but flesh children do. This is why Cain hated and killed Abel. He was satan's seed / child. Abel was Eve and Adam's child. Also this refers to the fact that Christ would come through the lineage of Adam and Eve down the line and that satan through Cain's offspring the Kenites would bruise Christ heel on the cross and kill him. And in the end of this final generation Christ will throw satan into the lake of fire and use His elect to bruise satan's head by teaching God's word / truth to refute satan's lies.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Here we have conception mentioned. God is going to allow her to be pregnant by this evil one. Remember she has yet to sleep with Adam.

Now we will go to St.John to further document who Cain's offspring were.

St.John 8:33-47 Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

This word continue in the Greek means to abide or dwell in. Christ is telling those of Judah as well as us today who do believe in Him and abide in His word, that they are His disciples indeed. However, there are the Kenites who claim to be of Judah or Jews, but are not but are of satan, as noted in Revelation 2:9 to the church of Smyrna below:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Those who seek God's word and follow Christ the Living Word, shall know the truth and shall be free from deception and lies that put some in bondage.

Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Here we have the ones who claim to be of Judah the Kenites answering Christ back. They are in bondage all right to satan. Just as man today by false teaching have been put in bondage and do not realize it and think they are in good standing with God.

Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.

Christ is the Living Word and it is forever and never changes, as noted in Hebrews 13:8.

Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jhn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

I feel this should be translated I know YE SAY ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

For the next few verses from Christ will make that clear, for Christ himself is about to tell us these are not of God, but of satan.

These are Kenites sons of Cain the first murderer. Looks like murder is a family trait doesn't it?

Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Notice the capitial F in Father for God and the small f in the second father denoting not God, but satan. Christ is saying your traits are that of satan your father.

Notice here that these kenites sons of Cain off spring of Satan's son, are trying to convince Christ himself they are of God. Don't think if they tried this with Christ himself, that they want go around to this day claiming to be Jews or christians of God and do satan's work. This is their MO [method of operation].

Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

By their fruits ye shall know them. If they do not the works of God and those God sent that taught God's word, then they are not of God. Christ wasn't stupid and did not fall for their lies. And neither should we today. Not all false teachers are Kenites, but some false teachers have merely been deceived by the Kenites teaching and think it is God's word, so therefore they continue to help spread the lies.

Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Christ knew they wanted to murder Him. They could lie all they wanted to, but Christ could read their mind. Abraham nor any of the children of God would have sought to kill Christ. Only someone of satan's offspring would want to do such a thing.

Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.

Here we have Christ for the 2nd time confronting them telling them exactly who they are. Just as we today should study God's word, and know what does and does not align with God's word, whereby noone can mislead us.

Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Again Christ calling a spade a spade. If they loved God they would have also loved His only begotten Son. They did not love Christ but wanted to murder Him.

Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

This word hear in the Greek means to hear God's word with understanding. They could not understand Christ speech/ word, because they were not of God, as Christ himself is about to tell us in the next verse.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here Christ tells them for the 3rd time for emphasis that they ARE NOT of God, but are of their father satan in the sense that Cain's father was Satan. He/ Cain was the first murderer in the beginning. Satan and his son Cain and Cain's offspring the Kenites are liars, as stated here by Christ the Living Word Himself.

Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

Liars usually do not accept the truth.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Christ commited no sin. These were trying to find a reason to kill Him to make themselves look squeaky clean and innocent. See how subtil and cunning satan and his offspring are. They lie and swear it is the truth and twist God's words. They kill many spiritually today by teachings lies instead of God's word. This is why one should always check ALL men out in God's word and allow noone to mislead you. There are still Kenites out there and then there are those who teach falsely who have themselves been mislead by the Kenlies and do not realize it.

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

There for the fourth time Christ tells them and us today they are not of God. They are murderers. Offspring of the devil and sons of Cain the first murderer.

1John 3:11-12 1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

This verse 12 here states specifically that Cain was of that wicked one which is none other than satan. This is why Cain could murder Abel. For he was the son that wicked one and was wicked also. The wicked one is satan.

Revelation 2:8-9 Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Here Christ tells us that there are some / Kenites who claim to be of Judah or Jews, and are not, but are of Satan and are Satan's offspring which would be the sons of Cain / Kenites, for Cain was satan's son and the Kenites are the offspring of Cain. This will be further documented in the verses below that cover the parable of the tares.

Revelation 3:9 Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Here again a 2nd witness from Christ that indeed there are some who claim to be Jews and are not but are of satan.

Last but not least Christ also warned us of these offspring of satan in the parable of the tares, as noted in Matthew 13:24-30 and Matthew 13:36-43.

Matthew 13:24-30

Parable Of The Tares Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

This word seed in the following verses in the Greek means :

#4690. Sperma; something sown, seed (including the male "sperm"); by implied offspring; specifically a remnant (fig. as if kept over for planting): issue, seed.

We are talking about the sperm / seed planted in the garden with Eve and satan as you will see when we finish this parable of the tares.

Tares are symbolic of the Kenites, who claim to be Jews or children of God and are not but are of satan.

Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Enemy in the Greek means:

2190. ekh-thros; (to hate); hateful (pass. odious, or act hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan):- enemy, foe. Many today are spiritually asleep to the true word of God and the enemy / satan works overtime pumping man's traditions into them and they don't even realize it for they have been blinded and lulled off to sleep by man's traditions.

Satan through sleeping with Eve sowed the evil children / tares / Kenites among the children of God. This would have never happened, had Eve listened to God and did not touch/ sleep with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which was none other than satan himself.

Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

These tares looked alot like wheat till full grown. We are to test the fruit or what man teaches to see if it aligns with God's word or not. If it does not then it is not of God. Many people look christianly and say they are christians, but are they really? Are they teaching what aligns with God's word? By their fruits ye shall know them, as noted in Matthew 7:15-20. Especially verse 20.

Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

Symbolic of God's children asking God didn't He sow only good seed or children? And why are there tares / Kenites then? See those who are truly children of God and know God's word, will be able to recognize and discern between God's word and man's and those who are called of God to teach and those who are not. They also can discern the ways of a Kenite and when one is furthering satan's doctrine rather than God's word.

Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

God is telling us here that satan the enemy hath done this. The children of God asking do you want us to get rid of them?

Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

God said NO do not get rid of the tares / Kenites lest you uproot the children of God also. You see many of God's children are so intertwined in the Kenites false doctrine that it is so hard to tell who is a GENUINE Kenite or offspring of satan and who is just an innocent child of God that has gotten themselves caught up in man's traditions. Even a Kenite can be converted, if they turn to God and leave their father satan's lies.

This is why we are to share God's word and let God through His word open the eyes of His children to false teachings and gently bring them back to Father's word and teach them to study for themselves and check ALL men out in God's word. This is how one breaks the hold of the Kenites teaching. Not by attacking the Kenites and stooping to their level.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Harvest time is when Christ returns AFTER the antichrist reign where satan plays or pretends He is Christ come to rapture you away. As further documented in this study The Truth About The Rapture Theory.

Those who flock to the antichrist thinking they are flying out of here will be gathered with the tares in danger of hell fire, if they do not open their eyes to the true God during the millenium reign spoken of in Revelation 20. God is against the rapture theory or fly away teaching, as noted in Ezekiel 13:20.

Matthew 13:36-43

Explanation Of The Parable Of The Tares Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Christ speaking only to His disciples here. The majority do not always hear God's word. Only those God feels can handle it at that time. Or as most call them God's elect

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

God is the Father of the good seed/ children.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Here we have it again. The tares are the children of the wicked one, just as Cain was, because they are Cain's offspring which are known as the Kenites.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Christ tells us point blank the enemy is the devil, not a snake or serpent. This happened when Eve slept with satan and conceived Cain the evil one who murdered Abel.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

God is going to cast all the tares and those who follow the tares into the lake of fire, IF they do not get their act together by the end of the millenium reign mentioned in Revelation 20.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This will happen on judgment day. So sad that some would choose to follow the kenite or satanic ways that will lead them to hell.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Then shall the righteous have eternal life forever with God. Not all have ears to hear. Do you? Can you hear what Father is telling you in this parable? Be sharp and be wiser than satan for he is out to mislead and deceive and spiritually impregnate you with his lies, just as he physically impregnated Eve to try and prevent the Christ child from eventually being born. Today satan uses lies to try and prevent God's children from knowing the true Christ the Living Word of God.


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1 posted on 09/05/2004 5:20:47 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32

Wow, I had no idea thanks for putting up the info.


2 posted on 09/05/2004 5:25:39 AM PDT by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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To: repub32
This happened when Eve slept with satan and conceived Cain the evil one who murdered Abel.

What the hell are you talking about...How did you conjure that up?

3 posted on 09/05/2004 5:25:44 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: repub32

Amalakites


4 posted on 09/05/2004 5:25:48 AM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: repub32
[I]slamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!

So was Grendel, but I still don't see Putin as Beowulf.

5 posted on 09/05/2004 5:31:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
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To: repub32

Save for later reading


6 posted on 09/05/2004 5:32:18 AM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: sirchtruth
It is indeed odd. Look at this bit:

It was not eating an apple that made God angry [no apple even mentioned here], but Adam and Eve listening to satan's lies sleeping with satan.

Golly!

7 posted on 09/05/2004 5:33:09 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
but Adam and Eve listening to satan's lies sleeping with satan.

In no way does the bible suggest that Eve slept with satan.

This is truly a case of the author wanting to construct something without any evidence whatsoever!

8 posted on 09/05/2004 5:38:46 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: repub32

Genesis has never made sense to me and this doesnt either.


9 posted on 09/05/2004 5:39:15 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: repub32

I certainly didn't read every line . . .

But . . . uhhhhh

could you note specifically how the blood line of

Cain

survived the flood and hijacked Noah's blood line?


10 posted on 09/05/2004 5:43:02 AM PDT by Quix (PLEASE EMAIL ZELL MILLER AND OTHERS INSISTING HE SPEAK OUT LOTS)
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To: repub32

4-1: And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.


11 posted on 09/05/2004 5:45:38 AM PDT by jla
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Genesis isn't hard. From the accounts, we are all descended from Cain (although the account also mentions Cain complaining of his fear of being attacked by others, so that may not be accurate). Cain is not an altogether unsympathetic character, just the next generation of the Fallen. Prey to jealousy, murderous anger, self-pity and general weininess, he was warned by God that the Fallen have the power of free will--"Thou mayest"--to triumph over evil.

He was given protection, not absolution, and exiled.

12 posted on 09/05/2004 5:46:33 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: sgtbono2002
Genesis isn't hard. From the accounts, we are all descended from Cain (although the account also mentions Cain complaining of his fear of being attacked by others, so that may not be accurate). Cain is not an altogether unsympathetic character, just the next generation of the Fallen. Prey to jealousy, murderous anger, self-pity and general weininess, he was warned by God that the Fallen have the power of free will--"Thou mayest"--to triumph over evil.

He was given protection, not absolution, and exiled.

13 posted on 09/05/2004 5:46:59 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Maybe I am simple. Adam and Eve were alone, They had Cain who slew Abel. where did Cains brides come from? Were they his sisters? It gets confusing. It makes a nice story till logic appears. Maybe Paradise is West Va. and he did marry his sister. Apologies to West Va., but you guys elected Byrd. LOL


14 posted on 09/05/2004 5:55:45 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: sirchtruth

So you think eve ate an apple,lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me this is the problem with christians who cant conceive something so evil,perverted went on in the garden. Eve slept with Satan and she conceived Cain, it was thru the blood line of Adam Jesus was supposed to come but Satan tempted her to have sex with him so he could corrupt the blood line. Why do you think then GOD wanted to then have a chast virgin so he could have an uncorrputable womb to conceive CHrist Mary didnt have sex with anyone GOD put christ in her to conceive. So much more to this then these simplified answers I give check it out in light of Scripture. NO APPLE ever mentioned in the BIBLE nor is the Word Rapture for those that think Christ will rapture them away.


15 posted on 09/05/2004 6:10:09 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32
[2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.]

This part of this article is true and is biblically based.

[ Eve allowed Satan to snow her under with lies and she found him to be one handsome dude. She not only listened to Satan's lies, but slept with him also as you'll see in a few more verses for their is a conception spoken of in a few more verses. He not only deceived Eve, but slept with Adam also [in my opinion]. For there is no mention of Adam knowing [sleeping with] Eve until Genesis 4:1, which took place AFTER she slept with Satan and conceived Cain. Eve gave birth to twins and they had different fathers. This still today is medically possible and has happened. Lets take a closer look at Genesis 4:1-2.]

This part of the article is all conjecture and therefore is a fable is not biblically based and demonstrates the need for believers to study the scriptures. The bible states in Hebrews of angels (" And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire"He.1:7"). Satan was an angel who kept not his first estate ("Jude:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day). Spirits do not have sexual relations with women and all this conjecture is misleading and confusing and definitely not biblical. This is the type of heresy that leads to apostasy and changes the Word of God into superstitions and fables. Angels are angels and men are men (Cain was a man and a son of Adam and Eve.)and they are two different creations of God and do not have sexual relations.
I believe that such fables lead men away from God and the simplicity that is in Christ.
16 posted on 09/05/2004 6:11:49 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 (For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.)
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To: wgeorge2001

Spirits do not have sexual relations with women and all this conjecture is misleading and confusing and definitely not biblical

Actually Angels do take on human form(mentioned in scripture quite often) and in those times Satan's Angels were having sex with women, gods children.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 6:20:29 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32
Who said anything about an apple? You're espousing that Eve and satan got in ON which is not scriptural but YOU'RE unenlighten theory!! Look, go to a lexicon and look at both the Greek and Hebrew for "seduce." Also read the other scriptures where "seduce" is used. Take it in total.

Stop theorizing! One thing I've learned, is when I stop taking the WOG literally is when it gets me in trouble.

18 posted on 09/05/2004 6:25:00 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: sgtbono2002

CAIN was Satans child conceived in EVE's womb EVE had twins one from ADAM and one from Satan why do you think Cain rises up and kills??? ABEL he was jealous and GOD had already condemned him because he knew he was from the blood of SATAn and was evil. Why do you think ABEL's blood was so powerful that GOD could hear him crying out from the earth it was from his blood christ was to come.


19 posted on 09/05/2004 6:28:30 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32

FOR those trying to learn the word of GOD from a King James bible, forget it!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you do not learn to interpret the words and the symbolic meaning of things like TREE's which in most cases when mentioned in the BIBLE mean People, you will learn nothing without a companion bible and a strong's concordance which will teach you the greeks and hebrews. IF you dont know what happened in the Garden you will never understand.


20 posted on 09/05/2004 6:32:50 AM PDT by repub32
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To: sirchtruth
And how satan beguiled or holy seduced and slept with Eve, for the word beguiled in the Greek means to Holy seduce.

Seduce does not only mean: To have sexual relation with. What completely fabricated, heresy of the WOG!

21 posted on 09/05/2004 6:32:53 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: sgtbono2002

I hate to tell ya my friend but the fruit of the TREE was SATAN learn what the tree means in this scripture it meant ppl.(satan).


22 posted on 09/05/2004 6:35:37 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32
IF you dont know what happened in the Garden you will never understand.

That's complete BS! As is repubs32 theory!

Forget all these SYMBOLIC things, and read from a literal standpoint, but the only way to "understand" is to believe on Christ.

No concordance will do you any good without that belief.

23 posted on 09/05/2004 6:39:33 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: repub32
why do you think Cain rises up and kills???

The bible does NOT say why!!!! Jealousy is just as valid theory as any.

Adam and Eve both had the capacity to sin BEFORE satan came along...Stop your destructive theorizing, or go to a forum where at least those who discuss these things understand what you are trying to contrive!!!

24 posted on 09/05/2004 6:46:05 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: sirchtruth
Well, you know, it is kind of hard to take the Garden of Eden passages literally. So much of the story is missing. There is no detail, and there are a lot of unanswered questions.

25 posted on 09/05/2004 6:46:17 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Quix

Thank you. That was exactly what I thought when I read the headline.


26 posted on 09/05/2004 6:54:41 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sirchtruth

So your your telling me to just believe in christ without learning the interpretation of his words and there meanings do you actually think the word of GOD was that simple. GOD does'nt want you to just believe in him but to also know his word to learn his word to understand the things that are'nt clear. This was one of the biggest reasons CHRIST SPOKE IN PARABLES for only those who would study the word of GOD would have true understanding of what he was sayng. THis is not some book that you can just read and say ok I believe but no need to study it or to learn interpertation of. To say to forget all the symbolic things is quite ignorant. So how exactly did EVE give birth to 2 sons and why did Cain have no grace or sympathy at all from Christ???? why was Cain not allowed to repent and receive grace from GOD he was the blood of SATAN and there would never be grace for him,ever. THis is why so many will spiritually die in the end times 2/3 will be lead away to their spirtual deaths because they are waxed cold and the great famine(which is not knowing the WORD of GOD in the END not not having food to eat,another symbolic interpretation)will deceive them.


27 posted on 09/05/2004 6:55:16 AM PDT by repub32
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To: sirchtruth

GOD knew that CAIN was from SATAN's seed(seed: do you think this is an apple seed????? of course adam and eve had the potential to sin before SATAN came but it was SATAN that lead to sin, do we not all get tempted to sin STAN was the temptation that lead to ADAm and EVE to sin it has to start somewhere the potential for evil and the potential to sin.


28 posted on 09/05/2004 7:02:14 AM PDT by repub32
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To: William Terrell
Well, you know, it is kind of hard to take the Garden of Eden passages literally.

No, it's not if you believe and trust God.

I use this example often to show people why God knows what he's doing, literally:

Jesus said, "If you tear down this temple I will rebuild it in three days." Everybody laughed at him because they thought he was talking about the actual Jewish temple building.

What should strike eveyone is two things: Jesus was referrng to the temple, his body, and Jesus is God that can do anything.

Now read Jesus' statement again and tell me where is the sybolism and the literal?

29 posted on 09/05/2004 7:05:08 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: sgtbono2002
Your observations are commonly made. It is the theological question characterized--"Who did Cain marry?"

The others in the story are not mentioned probably because they had no bearing, that is, they were not interesting.

30 posted on 09/05/2004 7:05:34 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: William Terrell

Well of course ALOT IS MISSING this was the point of CHRIST speaking in PARABLES for those willing to learn the WORD of GOD to know the truth and the symbolic meaning and how and in what context they are being used, for ex: TREE's dont always mean TREE"S( look up what the THE GREAT TREE of LEBANON is and you'll see it is SATAN).


31 posted on 09/05/2004 7:07:23 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32
So your your telling me to just believe in christ without learning the interpretation of his words and there meanings do you actually think the word of GOD was that simple.

No, I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that you are espousing a position that is not biblical...and at best conjecture...and yes it IS that simple.

You can theorize all you want about passages, but do not pass it off as scriptual. What is happening is when you do this, whether or not you are RIGHT or WRONG takes people who DO NOT KNOW down a path taking away from the ONLY path they should be searching.

You know, in order to grasp the scripture you must believe first, so putting this tripe out just might confuse people about what's important.

THis is not some book that you can just read and say ok I believe

Of course it is! You do not have to understand one thing about God's word to accomplish what God's will intends, and that's the only thing I'm trying point out. Do I think it's important to study and to reproof, without a doubt I do, but not to confuse unbelievers, with the chance of settng their minds aloof.

Look, I'd be the first one to post comments about the goodness of Christ and the Truth on this forum, however I would consider it irresponsible to take conjecture and not pose it as such...that's all I'm saying.

32 posted on 09/05/2004 7:25:06 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: Quix
could you note specifically how the blood line of Cain survived the flood and hijacked Noah's blood line?

Good question!

33 posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:09 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: Quix

That is exactly my question and rebuttal. No physical descendants of Cain lived. Not only that, but from what little I read, I see that the whole article is based on selective definitions from Strong's.

Here are the entire entries:
07017 Qeyniy {kay-nee'} or Qiyniy (1 Chr 2:55) {kee-nee'} from 07014; TWOT - 2016; adj patr

Kenite = "smiths"
1) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai

Now the root word: 07014 Qayin {kah'-yin} the same as 07013 (with a play upon the affinity to 07069); AV - Cain 17, Kenite 1; 18
n pr m Cain = "possession"
1) eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel

n pr gent Kenite = "smiths"
2) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai

The fact that Moses father-in-law was a Kenite, means that somewhere more than likely, there was another person named Cain who came after the flood.

To me then, the whole premise of the article is biased. It would seem to me to be a variation of James Sire's "Scripture Twisting" of selective citing. Where instead of citing select passage to prove ones point while ignoring the others, it does it with definitions. I've notice this happens quite a bit with heretical teachings based on definitions of Hebrew words. I know the the W-F people do it often.


34 posted on 09/05/2004 7:35:02 AM PDT by lupie
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To: sirchtruth
What does believing and trusting God have to do with taking the story literally or symbolically?

For instance, Cain went into the land of Nod and took a wife. If Adam and Eve were the first two humans, Cain and Able were their first and only sons, as a literal interpretation demands, where did Cain's wife come from? If Eve had latter children, among which was Cain's wife, what of incest?

How could Adam and Eve physically hid from God?

I just can't see how all this could be taken literally. When God gave us minds, I believe He meant us to use them.

Now read Jesus' statement again and tell me where is the sybolism and the literal?

We only know that Jesus was talking about His body after the fact. He was talking in symbolism. If you isolate His words and read only that and no farther, from your viewpoint, one would say He was talking about a building, because you would have to interpret what He said literally.

I'm not saying that any particular symbol means any particular thing, as the poster so assigns to them, but neither can you hold with a bare literal reading. There is much symbolism in the Bible, and some parts are entirely symbolism, obviously, so assuming symbolism in this story is by no means improbable.

35 posted on 09/05/2004 7:36:28 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: repub32

Doesn't this nonsense come from Mormonism, or is JW? I think the latter.


36 posted on 09/05/2004 7:38:33 AM PDT by lupie
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To: repub32
I'm with you about symbolism, old son, but neither you nor I have access to the Urim and Thummim.

37 posted on 09/05/2004 7:39:19 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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YOu have yet to answer me to what your interpretation of what happened in the GARDEN is????? I am a true believer in CHRIST it is absolute to me, I also have a mother who has been a born again for over 20 years and has learned the word of GOD in hebrews and greeks and is no longer a student but a scholar and in no way am I saying that I dont check out what she teaches me for myself in scripture. IT seems so obvious to me what happened in the GARDEN and what seems so ridiculous is that what Most christian/Catholics believe is that EVE ate an APPLE. EVE had sex with SATAN and if you arent learning "The word of GOD" in the hebrews and greeks you are blind and I never said to take what I said as fact all students of "The WORD fo GOD" need to check it out for themselves in light of scripture and also to interpret what they are reading, the context of,the meaning of the words used like TREE'S. WHY did Christ speak in Parables then if it was to be so easy???? "The WORD of GOD and being a christian are just like anything else it is a hard work to follow and a long road to learn it by no means was it meant to be easy just like in the end times it will be very very hard to not follow Antichrist. Yes, anyone can call themseves Chistians and live a good life but it does'nt get you into HEaven. It is the GREAT FAMINE in the end which is NOT KNOWING THE WORD OF GOD that will lead 2/3 to their spirtual deaths the waxing cold of their minds and the chicken in every pot that antichrist promises it is only the elect that will live forever those that know the WORD of GOD and that that thew one that comes after the ANTICHRIST is the true SAVIOR but it is the elect that will have it hard but that is a true believer.


38 posted on 09/05/2004 7:46:11 AM PDT by repub32
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To: lupie

Well, I guess if you believe that ANGELS dont and cant take on human form then I guess you wont believe that SATAN's children his angels were marrying and taking of wives.


39 posted on 09/05/2004 7:52:34 AM PDT by repub32
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To: lupie

Mormonism NO!!!!!!!! I am a christian, someone still has yet to explain to me what they think happened in the GARDEN???????????????? Do you really believe EVE ate an APPLE(which is no where to be found in the "WORD of GOD")and this is how we got sin?????


40 posted on 09/05/2004 7:56:14 AM PDT by repub32
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To: Quix
Genesis 6
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
41 posted on 09/05/2004 7:58:31 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Psalm 146:3 - Put not your trust in Princes, nor in the Son of Man, in whom there is no help.)
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To: William Terrell
Cain and Able were their first and only sons,...

Have you EVER heard of a son called SETH? (Gen:4-25)

I just can't see how all this could be taken literally. When God gave us minds, I believe He meant us to use them.

Yes, I understand your point, however it is equally just important to TRUST God. I realize there is symbolism in the bible, there's no question, but you have to realize that God operates literally even with his symbolism.

We only know that Jesus was talking about His body after the fact.

That's what I was trying to get you to see. But he claimed to be God before the fact, and God can do anything. That's what I find fascinating!

You can look at the passages symbolically, but I'm saying, also look at them literally.

42 posted on 09/05/2004 8:02:01 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: William Terrell

ADAM and EVE we're not the first 2 humans GOD created the races on the 6th day go back and read Genesis.


43 posted on 09/05/2004 8:02:44 AM PDT by repub32
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Well, I guess if you believe that ANGELS dont and cant take on human form then I guess you wont believe that SATAN's children his angels were marrying and taking of wives.

What does that have to do with my refuting your post? Nothing that I can see. It also makes no sense. I never once mentioned angels or satan. I simply showed that you seemed to base your whole post on a biased assumption. I didn't even read most of your post because the foundation was faulty. Can you go back and show why you beleive I am wrong in what I said rather than try to make assumptions about what I do or do not believe in areas that I did not even mention? If so, then we can have a biblical based conversation. If not, then I see no reason to continue.

44 posted on 09/05/2004 8:04:47 AM PDT by lupie
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To: repub32
Do you really believe EVE ate an APPLE

Ok, nobody said anything about an apple, she ate from the tree which God instructed ADAM not to do, and thus she gave the food to Adam, he ate and God basically kicked their asses out of TGOE for doing what he told him not to do!

Adam died, end of story.

BTW, Adam was ALONE before Eve came along. He sure wasn't dancing with TREES.

45 posted on 09/05/2004 8:08:29 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: sirchtruth

WAS not the Temple used here in this passage symbolic to mean his body???? Well you're reading the symbolic first then it is up to the student to interpret the meaning of it to find out what he meant literally!!!!!!!!! and not everytime the the WORD TEMPLE is used it is to mean CHRIST's body this is why it is so important to learn the language and in the context it is being used. The pharisee's and the jews today and many christians are so decieved and have no idea what they read or clearly understand the teaching of Christ( speaking in Parables) because they refuse to learn interpertation of.


46 posted on 09/05/2004 8:08:57 AM PDT by repub32
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I am a christian, someone still has yet to explain to me what they think happened in the GARDEN???????????????? Do you really believe EVE ate an APPLE(which is no where to be found in the "WORD of GOD")and this is how we got sin?????

What happened in the garden is given in Genesis. Eve disobeyed God because she was deceived by Satan. And nobody here that I saw talked about an apple. It is the fruit of the tree that she ate and gave to Adam. Why we "got" sin, or why we sin is described in Genesis 3:4-6.

47 posted on 09/05/2004 8:09:33 AM PDT by lupie
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To: repub32
ADAM and EVE we're not the first 2 humans GOD created the races on the 6th day go back and read Genesis.

What cult do you ascribe to?

48 posted on 09/05/2004 8:10:18 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: repub32
WAS not the Temple used here in this passage symbolic to mean his body????

The point I am TRYING to get across is for people to look BOTH symbolically and literally at the passages. Every time I look at a passage symbolically I realize more times than not, the passage can be taken literally too.

49 posted on 09/05/2004 8:15:38 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: repub32
many christians are so decieved and have no idea what they read or clearly understand the teaching of Christ( speaking in Parables) because they refuse to learn interpertation of.

And many read way too much into the scripture and conjecture a bunch of crappola like Eve and satan got it on and espouse it as fact!

50 posted on 09/05/2004 8:21:11 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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