Posted on 09/20/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by NYer
I personally join my prayers to his.
These sites are in French; here are the links.
The SSPX website, www.dici.org, has the latest info. on this.
I really don't know what to make of it other than to continue to pray for their regularization within the Church. Even the analysis on www.dici.org gives somewhat of a soul-searching, and is much more pastoral than most of the adherents who post here.
The one which you've posted links to a short book review.
When I first clicked on your link I got shunted to some book review page. The second time I clicked I got the right page.
Sorry.
Is Pete Vere judging annulments?
As for the particular details, this is the first time in almost fourteen years of being a traditionalist that I find the fog of war too thick to reasonably discern what is going on.
Is Pete Vere a traditionalist?
"Is Pete Vere judging annulments?"
He is a canon lawyer and, especially in North America, annulments amount to about 98% of the work that canon lawyers do.
"Is Pete Vere a traditionalist?"
Yes - he used to be quite anti-SSPX, although I believe he has called a truce in terms of debate and polemic. I also believe he attends an indult Mass.
Ping for later
Pete would have no Indult to attend were it not for SSPX. If they eventually go under, the Indult will follow.
Of course, some people consider themselves traditionalist if they have stopped going to the Clown Mass.
Like the Bush White House's handling of Dan Rather and CBS, the Vatican steps back and allows SSPX factions to fight this one out.
Yes for men such as him our prayers are most in need, with the caveat that in the event our prayers can not do him good (consider the parable of Lazarus in heaven and the rich man in hell) they be applied to someone in purgatory.
"If they eventually go under, the Indult will follow."
That is my fear. If they fragment into smaller groups, traditionalists will be easier to pick off by the liberal bishops' conferences.
The time maybe approaching when they need to consider some accommodation with Rome in order carry on the fight effectively.
If they could get an Apostolic Administration or a Personal Prelature, then that would be an effective protection against recalcitrant local ordinaries.
"Of course, some people consider themselves traditionalist if they have stopped going to the Clown Mass."
When you have the power to see into men's hearts then you will have the right to judge. Until then I suggest you leave that up to God.
I was distinguishing between traditionalists and pseudo traditionalists, not condemning people to Hell.
A problem I think traditionalists have is the alacrity with which the hierarchy, including in Rome, leaps to club down any priest who says the traditional Latin Mass, while almost all of us can report a long list of local outrages and sacrileges that go uncorrected.
This doen not lead people to trust any but the firmest arrangements for the future. And traditionalism is more than the Mass.
My memory is somewhat hazy, but I have the impression that this is precisely what was offered by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos in the recently rejected overture to SSPX. A similar situation to Opus Dei. Is that correct?
The Campos settlement contained a similar provision, did it not?
This is about as reliable as a CBS story about the Republicans. Envoy would like nothing better than chaos to reign within the SSPX. But what's going on is not unusual in an institution of growing influence. Same thing happened in the early Church.
You are exactly correct. It was an apostolic administration, flatly rejected by Fellay.
It was rejected because the SSPX still thinks it can force the Vatican to give a universal mandate for the Tridentine Mass. It's no secret that some in the Vatican would have already done this were it not for most bishops conferences who objected, loudly.
Now that it appear the strongest group of SSPX priests is fragmenting, the Vatican will likely step back and offer reconciliation, on its terms.
After all, there seems to be a strong sentiment within the SSPX to reconcile before JPII dies.
The next Pontiff might very well tell the SSPX to take a hike, and guys like Aulagnier and Laguiere know that.
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