Posted on 09/20/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by NYer
Talk about a highway to hell.
Here's an important truth that you need to understand better.
If the Pope's writings and teachings require your approval (at least in your mind), then you are the Pope.
"The Novus Ordo was created for Protestants.
It was created by Protestants for former Catholics."
Make that by masons for protestants and former Catholics
So this is pride?
What would you call standing in judgement on the Vicar of Christ and presuming to fault his every teaching and word?
Humility?
Reading the SSPX link which NYer put up in post #5, one is immediately struck by the rich irony of almost every paragraph. The writer is lamenting the lack of obedience by the priest and his refusal to submit himself to the SSPX hierarchy.
Translation: Submit and bow down to us, you proud sinner, whilst we continue to flout and contest Papal authority and teaching.
As the kids say, "What goes around, comes around".
"whilst we continue to flout and contest Papal authority and teaching"
That's a good summary of what the modern Vatican has been doing for the last 40 years.
Compare "ut unum sint" with "mortalium animos" - and that's just for starters.
Once you've done this - report back for your next assignment.
You misunderstand what I said. I was making the point that the Pope can't invent what we must believe. It is not up to him to teach anything new whatsoever. His office gives him authority only to teach what the Church has always taught and what Catholics have always believed--in other words, what has already been handed-down by Catholic Tradition. But if he does not do this, and will not protect that tradition but teaches novelties instead--then by default it falls to others to defend the true faith. That is not something that traditional Catholics wish to do--but they are forced by default to do this in a crisis.
Your "good fruit" grows on a tree in another plot of land.
I'll stay in the garden blessed by the Gardener.
"I'll stay in the garden blessed by the Gardener."
I hope you like eating cactus leaves
Good night, Phil. You need rest.
Lefebvre's tree is also in the garden. You can tell which one it is because it's the only one around bearing any good fruit.
and it's also providing shade for all those operating under the "indult"
Puny nodules aren't "good fruit" UR, especially since some of those pomegranetes think other trees look better.
We've worn this metaphor out, I think.
"To you he's nothing more than a "silly hothead frog priest." Talk about turning on your own. Lovely. One minute he's a fine memmber of SSPX. The next he's a silly hothead frog priest."
Well, the French do have this rather eccentric approach to religion more so the earlier traditionalists with their strong independent minds. The younger breed now taking over the reins are quieter and more cautious in their dealings with the world.
Yes.
A couple of the walking definitions post here incessantly.
Spin it any way you want.
It still does not get around the fact that when the Pope teaches and writes, either you or you confreres or both, must sit down and decide whether what he is saying falls within the ambit of "tradition" or whether it is a "novelty".
It's at precisely that point that you become the Pope.
My point is that the charism of judging what is and is not in accord with Catholic tradition is not given to each and every member of the Mystical Body, though many, in their pride, think that it is.
In light of the useless comparison "more Catholic than the Pope," do you regard yourself: a) more Catholic than the Pope; b) just as Catholic as the Pope; or c) less Catholic than the Pope?
Besides, it's not those who follow the Pope that Madrid is lampooning in his latest book, but those who DON'T follow the Pope.
It IS the SSPX movement and the frog, now excommunicated and dead was obviously Marcel Lefebvre.
Black Elk
Committee to Suppress Schismatic Invincible Ignorance
That wasn't the question - how Catholic are you in comparison to the Pope? Or do you agree that the comparison is nonsensical?
I don't know.
Or do you agree that the comparison is nonsensical?
It's a spoof on people who have left the Church because they think they are more Catholic than he is.
If the comparison stings, it's meant to.
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