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Once welcomed, Boston archbishop now sees goodwill evaporate with parish closings
Boston Herald.com ^ | September 23, 2004 | AP

Posted on 09/27/2004 7:08:14 PM PDT by Land of the Irish

BOSTON - Charged with cleaning up after the clergy sex abuse scandal, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley took a low-key approach. He asked to be called ``Archbishop Sean,'' shunned the trappings that go with his rank, and settled lawsuits quickly - winning over many parishioners in the process.

A little over a year later, things have changed. Whether it's fair or not, some Boston-area Roman Catholics now are calling O'Malley ``The Iceman'' as he pushes ahead with plans to close almost a quarter of the parishes in the nation's fourth-largest archdiocese.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: catholic; iceman; omalley
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To: AskStPhilomena
It is tragic,but certainly in keeping with the great plan that rallied the "Enlightened ones" around the time of the French Revolution. Wasn't it "Down with Crown and Tiara"?World War I was to finally put an end to the dreadful monarchs as well as the Pope and the Catholic Church.

Imagine the fury when despite the overthrow of the monarchs the Church was still puttering right along. Surely World War II would wipe out the vestiges of the Church,or so the thinking went. It didn't do the trick. Austria presents a partcular challenge to the powers that would be "gods". We must pray for that poor Catholic country.

21 posted on 09/27/2004 11:00:03 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Land of the Irish

When our modernist "Catholic" leaders do get their hands on some money, guess where it's spent?
Check out "almsgiving XX"...
http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm


22 posted on 09/27/2004 11:08:55 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: Land of the Irish

Just like the liberal dissenters who are trying to use parish closings to foment disobedience and disruption to legitimate authority in the Church, you will use any excuse to slam the Church and its legitimate rulers. Your anti-Catholic bigotry is on display as usual.


23 posted on 09/28/2004 6:47:34 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: AskStPhilomena

Of for heavens sake can we close the "windows" now. It isn't spring time and I'm getting pneumonia.


24 posted on 09/28/2004 7:25:05 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: sinkspur
I'm sorry Sinskpur but you are engaging in wishful thinking. It is obvious that you have no knowledge of the situation in Boston. These are not old, parishes, that are falling apart.

Three of the communities that are rebelling are Weymouth, Sudbury and Newton. Driveways in these towns cost more than 2 acre estates in metro Fort Worth. These are the MOST wealthy communities in Boston.....think San Francisco and Manhattan. I've seen these parishes on tv and they are in good shape, that is part of the reason why people are furious!!!

Many of these parishes are deeply involved in VOTF. You talk to these people about the vocations crisis and they are furious that he is not ordaining women.

O'Malley may be just acting on Father Groeschel's diagnosis: We just need to get smaller. The sad thing is that it seems like evangelization is out of the question. These northeast Bishops need some sort of plan to evangelize fallen-away Catholics. The problem is that fallen away Catholics view the Church as too conservative! They want their divorce, birth control, female priests etc etc etc.

It's really frustrating in Boston because everyone and their brother is Catholic but nobody goes to Mass. I'm not sure how much even the freepers understand how Catholic Boston is (was.) Growing up, my town was 95% Catholic...this is not an exaggeration!!

Ultimately, Bishop O'Malley is just shrugging his shoulders...maybe he figures "let them go to Hell."

25 posted on 09/28/2004 7:33:03 AM PDT by Pio (There is no Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church)
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To: Pio
Well, obviously not ALL of the parishes are in wealthy communities. Many are in urban locations, are old, and need much renovation.

O'Malley no doubt included some of the VOTF parishes to appear even-handed.

26 posted on 09/28/2004 7:52:52 AM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur
But, code enforcement is non-negotiable

In Boston? It's VERY negotiable$$ LOL!

27 posted on 09/28/2004 8:03:00 AM PDT by Gator Bill
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To: Pio
O'Malley may be just acting on Father Groeschel's diagnosis: We just need to get smaller. The sad thing is that it seems like evangelization is out of the question.

That's how I see it.  Evangelization will happen, and those 'brought into the flock' won't be lead to the den wolves as a result.  I could be wrong, but my outlook stems from Hope:  in, and for The Mystical Body of Christ.

Pax et bonum, Pio.
28 posted on 09/28/2004 8:07:11 AM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: AAABEST; sinkspur
I'm not arguing with you, but many of our chapels post their accounting in their bulletins.

Reputable Catholic Dioceses and Parishes do the same. Mine (Philadelphia, and St. Cecilia) give us the numbers every year. The most interesting statistic as far as I am concerned is that the parishoners give 4 times the amount of money needed to run the parish, and this balance of about $1 million is given to our school to subsidize 50% of the tuition.

29 posted on 09/28/2004 9:17:07 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

If you want to purchase a Church for the SSPX, it is best to do so through a dummy corporation, or using a lawyer as a front.

The very idea of the SSPX coming to a Bishop to buy a Church sounds ludicrous to me.


30 posted on 09/28/2004 9:19:32 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Pio
These northeast Bishops need some sort of plan to evangelize fallen-away Catholics.

In Philadelphia, we go door-to-door to invite the fallen away back.

The problem is that fallen away Catholics view the Church as too conservative! They want their divorce, birth control, female priests etc etc etc.

Well, they aren't really Catholics then, are they?

Ultimately, Bishop O'Malley is just shrugging his shoulders...maybe he figures "let them go to Hell."

They know the truth and they reject it. What is the Bishop supposed to do? Compell them by force to attend Mass?

The return of fallen away Catholics is something that is up to God, not man.

31 posted on 09/28/2004 9:27:16 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
O'Malley could tell the parishoners since the diocese has no money to support the parish, if the parishoners can pay for expenses they can keep their church open. That seems fair and wouldn't cost him anything. If people are sufficiently motivated they can keep their parishes.

Independent chapels survive this way. I don't see why the diocese can't loosely do the same.

fwiw - our Prot Church is run in this manner - the Church owns the building and property - but operational expenses and Pastoral compensation are the responsibility of the congregation

It does have its drawbacks - particularly during the cyclical growth and decline of congregations / pastoral turnover / capitol campaigns etc

32 posted on 09/29/2004 5:09:09 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"The return of fallen away Catholics is something that is up to God, not man."

We're obligated evangelize as you apparently do in Philly, the "ecumenical spirit" and laziness have neutralized us. Ecumenism undermines our very attempts to bring Catholics back home.

Well, they aren't really Catholics then, are they?

I'm verrrry leery of performing lay-excommunications, that is the specialty of the neo-Catholics.

Not sure what the Bishop is supposed to do, besides granting universal indult of the Tridentine Mass. Overall, though, closing 25% of the Novus Ordo parishes is an excellent start to returning to Tradition. Maybe this is his plan.

33 posted on 09/29/2004 9:40:59 AM PDT by Pio (There is no Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church)
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To: Pio

People who do not hold the Catholic faith, and know the Church teaches contrary to what they do hold, are not Catholics. Period.

A material heretic is someone who innocently holds a false proposition about the faith, being ignorant of what the Church actually teaches. Someone who is aware the Church condemns women priests or birth control or abortion or divorce, yet continues to hold to this belief in the face of the Church condemning it is a formal heretic. Similarly those who knowingly deny the real presence or the sacrifice of the Mass.

Most fallen away Catholics are formal heretics.


34 posted on 09/29/2004 9:47:26 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Pio
We're obligated evangelize as you apparently do in Philly, the "ecumenical spirit" and laziness have neutralized us. Ecumenism undermines our very attempts to bring Catholics back home.

It does no good to go door to door unless God his disposed the people to return. One first needs to pray for lights and grace and an increase of faith for our absent brethren.

35 posted on 09/29/2004 9:48:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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