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PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]
CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

Posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:35 PM PST by Quix

Prophetic Signs that we are in the End Times

Contender Ministries

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The Bible gives many examples of signs that should warn us of the coming end of the age. Six such signs are given by Jesus, two characteristics are given by Paul, and eleven other occurrences are given by the prophets to occur prior to or soon after the end of the age. While we are also told we will not know the time of the End, God obviously wanted us to know when that time was getting closer. As the Christian church is increasingly drawn into the interfaith movement, and as more and more churches go into isolation, preparing to sleep through the growing attacks on their faith, perhaps God knew it would take a few signs to wake us up and remind us that we have work to do.

Unfortunately, many Christians take the verses that tell us we won't know the time of His coming to mean they should ignore any and all scripture that might warn us of this time of tribulation. Others have fallen into the trap of fearing being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should they display an interest in the Biblical prophecies about our future on Earth. My philosophy is simple. God included it in the Bible and, since God is all knowing, we should trust that it is something we should know and study along with the rest of His Word.

It is increasingly obvious that the time of our Lord's coming is drawing near. Prophecy is being fulfilled daily, and at a faster pace than ever before. Whether you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, or believe Christians will be witness to the full tribulation, wrath, and final judgments, matters not. The beginning of birth pains and the signs of the times should have the same effect on all of us. It should motivate us to save as many souls as we can in the time that we have left. The Great Commission tells us to be disciples to all nations, bringing the message of salvation through Christ to all people. If the Church is raptured before the tribulation, it is important that we leave behind an explanation for the trials and judgments those left behind will face. How else will they recognize the deception of the anti-Christ and seek instead the truth of the Bible? If we are to endure the tribulation along side them, we will need to be prepared to not only share the message of salvation, but share with them the reasons for God's judgment and hold it up as further proof of their need to be saved.

Below is a study of the prophetic signs God gave us as a warning of the approaching end of the age. Many of them are being fulfilled now and many will be fulfilled in the near future. I would encourage you to study prophecy, know what is coming and be prepared to share it with others.

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SIX SIGNS GIVEN BY JESUS TO INDICATE HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE

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In Matthew24:3 Jesus was asked, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" Jesus told his apostles to look for the following signs prior to his second coming and the end of the age.

1. FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy. These false prophets are a prelude to the ultimate false christ, the antichrist. Many New Age groups, some even NGO's working for the United Nations, are anxiously awaiting the antichrist, preparing the way for his acceptance as the head of the hierarchy of gods and the one who will usher in world peace.

2. WARS

Matthew 24:6 "And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end."

Rumors of wars in all areas of the world now occur frequently thanks to instant media coverage and the availability of a multitude of 24-hour news sources.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

More people have been killed in warfare in this century than at any other time in history. As the death toll rises in the Middle East, more and more countries work feverishly to develop devastating weapons of mass destruction. Add to that the expanding threat of terrorism and unpredictable dictators such as Saddam Hussein, and the potential for the outbreak of war exists in nations, kingdoms and places across the globe.

3. FAMINES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

As white, Christian farmers are driven out of Africa in increasing numbers, and foreigners move in to replace life-sustaining crops with poppies that now supply 25% of the worlds drugs, famine spreads across the African continent. The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.

4. EARTHQUAKES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

The number and intensity of earthquakes this century is at a level higher than any other time in history. A staggering number of seismic events occur around the world daily. The earthquake seismic monitor IRIS shows all major earthquakes for the last year. Indicated by yellow and red circles, the seismic events of the last 15 days provides strong evidence of the fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 in our day. By contrast, in the years from 1890 to 1900 there was only one major earthquake in the world.

5. TRIBULATIONS

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Christians are under attack throughout the world today. In the United States Christians still enjoy freedom to worship God without suffering much more than ridicule, hatred, or discrimination at work and school. However in many other countries such as China, Sudan, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Russia, and many Muslim nations, Christian suffer much greater persecution and often times death for their faith. During the tribulation this suffering will be worldwide and will continue even to the point of martyrdom. These first 5 signs will increase in intensity and severity as the tribulation approaches, much like the birth pangs or contractions of a pregnant woman worsen as the delivery time approaches.

6. THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."

This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet. People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices.

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TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL

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1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS

II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

For anyone who has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, it is obvious this prophecy has been fulfilled by our generation. Our leaders are often corrupt; our cities are filled with crime, brutality, and neon signs proclaiming our sinful, godless nature. The New Age Movement brings in increasing numbers of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people in our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.

2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)

I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."

Churches today are becoming more and more ecumenical, embracing the New Age interfaith agenda, and denying Christ as the only way to salvation. Giving in to the politically correct media and a corrupt society, they have embrace homosexuality as an acceptable alternate lifestyle and preach tolerance and compromise in place of God's truth for the salvation of the world. The environmentalist movement within the New Age movement lures them into a worship of mother earth, belief in past lives, reincarnation, and Karma while demonizing all those who would eat the meat God gave us as nourishment for our bodies.

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ELEVEN FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECY REQUIRED FOR THE END OF THE AGE

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1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST

Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."

An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.

2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)

Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."

Daniel 2:40-43 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have the toughness of iron, and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. And in that you saw the iron mixed with clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

The fourth kingdom of iron is the Roman empire according to Daniel's interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The two legs are the division of the Roman empire into an eastern portion called the Byzantine empire which ended in the 1400's and a western portion based in Rome which ended in the 400's. The nations of Europe since the Roman empire dissolved have never adhered or formed one empire but continue as separate nations, however, the European Union now has 15 Member States and is preparing for the accession of 13 eastern and southern European countries.

3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

4. REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE, RESTORATION OF TEMPLE WORSHIP AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM

For several end time prophecies to be fulfilled, the temple will have to be rebuilt.

Revelation 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the oly city for forty-two months."

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolation, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Some archeologists believe that the temple mount is actually 340 feet south of the Dome of the Rock site, putting the Dome of the Rock within the Court of the Gentiles. This may be the court outside the temple that is left out.

There are many groups already working on preparations for the new temple. The blueprints are already done, the temple garments have been made, and there have already been attempts to lay the cornerstone of the temple. The only thing standing in the way of the construction of the new temple is Islam's third holiest site, the Dome of the Rock and government support for such an undertaking. Some possible scenarios for the rebuilding of the temple are as follows:

1. The persuasion and performing of miracles by the Antichrist and False Prophet convinces the Islamic world to approve the rebuilding.

2. The United Nations will negotiate the rebuilding of the temple following a war with the armies from the North (Russia and Islamic forces). This assumes that the war with the armies from the North is not the battle of Armageddon as some feel and that this attack occurs before the rapture or tribulation period begins. The supernatural destruction of the Russian army and Islamic forces will cause an outpouring of Christian worship and zeal amongst the Jewish people who will reconstruct the temple.

3. It is determined that the site of the first two temples is actually south of the Dome of the Rock, and the court of the gentiles (Dome of the Rock) will be left out of the 3rd temple.

A group in Israel called the Temple Mount Faithful have obtained most of the clothing, instruments and other equipment required for temple worship and are actively preparing for the laying of the third temple's cornerstone.

5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS

Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002.

6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL

Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Billy Graham was quoted as saying, "ninety percent of all the engineers and scientists who have ever lived are alive today." Air travel, space travel, DNA research and human cloning are all examples of the rapid increase in knowledge in our generation.

7. RETURN OF THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel.

8. THE RISE OF RUSSIA

Ezekiel 38:2,4,8 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them."

In order for some end time events to occur Russia will have to be a strong nation with a strong military.

9. RETURN OF RUSSIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."

In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.

10. TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Revelation 13:16-17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

On May 10, three members of a family in Florida became the first people to receive the biochip implant. Each device, made of silicon and called a VeriChip, is a small radio transmitter about the size of a piece of rice that is injected under a person's skin. It transmits a unique personal ID number whenever it is within a few feet of a special receiver unit. VeriChip's maker describes it as "a miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications."

Is the biochip the mark of the beast to be used by the antichrist? We can't really know. What is significant is that people are being softened to the idea of a mark or an implant as a means of maintaining security, providing medical information, and regulating a more interdependent world. As attitudes change, fears subside, and people are convinced of the need for such a mark, the true mark of the beast will be easily introduced to the world by the antichrist.

11. PLANS FOR THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

The United Nations, World Trade Organization, International Criminal Court, UN peacekeeping/police force, numerous UN NGO's, and other agencies are preliminary steps to the formation of a one world government. We now have the communications technology, transportation, and the pro-globalization media necessary to usher in the one world government headed by the antichrist. The increasing terrorist threat and the middle east conflict will only speed up the formation of this governing body as fear and promises of better security make more people willing to give up their national sovereignty for global governance.

12. INSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THE WORLD

Revelation 11:3, 7-10 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophecy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

Television and the 24-hour news networks make it possible for people around the world to see the dead prophets and rejoice at their deaths.

Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place."


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To: topcat54

bye


251 posted on 11/10/2004 7:50:06 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

Thanks to you for not taking my post as a slam against you personally. I think that you are doing a good thing here on FR and I hope you keep it up. I post mainly for the lurkers who may be misled, and hopefully get them motivated to check out the Bible for themselves. The Bible is full of warnings of deception in the last days and people need to take this very seriously.


252 posted on 11/10/2004 8:17:03 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: bikepacker67
So should I sell my stocks?

It doesn't matter. Where we're going, money is not the medium of exchange...

253 posted on 11/10/2004 8:28:52 AM PST by Snardius (I plan to vote for Kerry...right after I vote against him.)
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To: topcat54; All; ExSoldier; rubofthebrush; Polybius; jennyjenny; RightWhale; jerseygirl; ...
CALLING
ALL
CESSATIONIST
NAYSAYERS
. . . .
POST #230
RE THE
DREAM/VISION/PROPHETIC
INPUT FROM THE
YEARS 398? TO 403?
CLEARLY REGARDING
MANY SPECIFIC POINTS
COMING TRUE ONLY
IN OUR ERA

Given that
the cessationist
naysayers
INSIST
THAT
Holy Spirit went to sleep
and remains silent
since John the Beloved
finished Revelation,
. . . .
such an OBVIOUSLY anointed
collection of specific
PROPHETIC TRUTH
from Holy Spirit
could not possibly
have occurred.
. . .
Yet, there it is--
from more than
1600 years ago.
But, well AFTER
John concluded the Canon.
. . .
And, there's plenty of specifics
about flying like birds
going under the sea like fish
communicating across the planet
and other specifics.
. . .
Perhaps the naysayers will try
and pretend that the good Believer
got his inspiration in this very
Biblical, anointed prophecy from satan.
. . .
I hope not.
Hopefully, even their
twisted logic
must bow to
God's obvious TRUTH.

God is not a bad general. He will not allow satan's supernatural power to be the only power on the stage!!! Sheesh!

Whenever the enemy comes in like a flood [anyone doubt that has happened and is happening in our era?], GOD WILL RAISE UP A STANDARD AGAINST IT.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!

ALL, PLEASE NOTE POST #232 ABOUT SOROS and his brazenly stated global government plans to sabotage Bush and our country.

REPOSTED BELOW FOR CONVENIENCE:

The Prophecy

FOUND HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1275467/posts

After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist.

There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left.

At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society. At that future time, due to the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of remorse.

The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints.

And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and fantastic signs.

He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish.

And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.

Then the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... then the sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the perverter and his servants.

PLEASE NOTE GEORGE SOROS' COMMENTS IN POST #232 re his brazenly, openly stated plans to further the global governments march [in prep for the Anti-Christ].

254 posted on 11/10/2004 8:45:14 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Gamecock
Who is going to argue the point that the nation of Israel of today is the fulfillment of this prophecy?

I would (no surpise), and lots of non-futurists would argue that modern-day Israel is a fulfillment of any specific biblical prophecy.

It takes more work that just pointing a text yanked from the Bible and then pointing at modern Israel to convince many Christians that B fulfills A.

Saying it is so does not make it so.

255 posted on 11/10/2004 8:46:48 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix

We are not anywhere near the end times.

One critical precondition for the end times is that the vast majority of the world will have been converted to Christianity.

AFTER THAT, there will arise a Great Apostasy and schism.

We haven't got there yet...


256 posted on 11/10/2004 8:49:08 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2

NO SWEAT.

I greatly appreciate your input.

Thanks much.


257 posted on 11/10/2004 8:49:17 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Poohbah

Reread that Scripture, Poohbah. You have it wrong.

The Scripture mentions that the GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED TO EVERY PEOPLE GROUP.

That point is ALMOST upon us. I haven't checked with Wycliffe recently but the end point is more and more rapidly approaching thanks to the casset tape. Instead of working hardest and first to get the Scriptures translated into written text--challenging when some tribal groups have no written language--the translators are translating things orally and distributing them on cassettes with players. That has shortened the time taken tremendously.

Last I heard about 15 years ago--they expected it could be completed in another 20-30 years.

That brings that Biblical benchmark much, much closer. Add in satellite radio as well as just languages being lost in favor of more common ones . . . and we are getting very, very close.

Did you read the report on Soros comments about bringing about the global government very soon?


258 posted on 11/10/2004 8:53:20 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Space Wrangler

THANKS TONS.


259 posted on 11/10/2004 8:55:49 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; Gamecock
What is the pedigree of this alleged vision? How do we know it was written by the person to whom it has been attributed?

Why does it sound alot like the "visions" of Nostradamus?

260 posted on 11/10/2004 8:58:02 AM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54

HO HO HO HO HO!

SLICK DODGE, SORT OF.

TRACE IT OUT. IT'S IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD!

LOL! LOL! LOL!

you are soooooooooo funny.

bye


261 posted on 11/10/2004 8:59:18 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54

BTW, WHAT A WHOLESALE BALD FACED DISTORTION!

IT'S TONS

MORE SPECIFIC AND CLEAR

THAN THE BEST

of Nostradomus.

Nice attempt at a stretch to cover your immodest cheeks. Won't wash.


262 posted on 11/10/2004 9:00:37 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

Well, I'm convinced!


263 posted on 11/10/2004 9:05:46 AM PST by Gamecock (What do neeners and dems have in common? Both are in denial about [the] election.)
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To: Gamecock

Those with true hearts and ears to hear

are virtually

never

a problem on that score!

Thanks for noting it!

LUB


264 posted on 11/10/2004 9:09:22 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Poohbah

My flesh and comfort zones

would CERTAINLY wish you were accurate, Poohbah.

It's just not to be.

And, we were born for such a time as this.


265 posted on 11/10/2004 9:12:56 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; topcat54; All; ExSoldier; rubofthebrush; Polybius; jennyjenny; RightWhale; jerseygirl

When I saw this thread I was mighty tempted to post to it, but I resisted lest I get accused of hijacking. Please do not ping me any longer to your wacko threads.


266 posted on 11/10/2004 9:19:55 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Proudly defending the Dems right to stupidity since 1987)
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To: UsnDadof8

Sure.

Your blood is on your own hands.

I was merely obligated, duty bound to offer the truth.


267 posted on 11/10/2004 9:22:22 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
It is increasingly obvious that the time of our Lord's coming is drawing near.

Gee whiz, a bold statement that. Since time doesn't run backwards, every future event you can think of is drawing nearer.

268 posted on 11/10/2004 9:24:41 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: UsnDadof8

BTW

I'm very sorry for your difficulties in being able to

distinguish between responding appropriately

and

hijacking, stealing

a thread.

It helps one understand your difficulties in determing the truth between valid and false Scriptural interpretations as well as between Scriptural and unScriptural dreams, visions etc.

Helps me understand you significantly better. Thanks.


269 posted on 11/10/2004 9:26:26 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
offer the truth.

Riiight. Stop pinging me.

270 posted on 11/10/2004 9:27:27 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Proudly defending the Dems right to stupidity since 1987)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

True.

But one can either pay attention to the Biblical Benchmarks

or

ignore them.

I've never found ignoring Scirpture to be very fruitful, profitable, comforting or wise, in my life.

I suppose mileage could vary . . .

but I've never found it otherwise in anyone else's life either.


271 posted on 11/10/2004 9:28:13 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
It helps one understand your difficulties in determing the truth between valid and false Scriptural interpretations

You have some nerve talking about scripture. IMO anyone who belives in modern day revelations has no right to speak of scripture, since if that is true then anything can qualify as scripture.

272 posted on 11/10/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Proudly defending the Dems right to stupidity since 1987)
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To: UsnDadof8

Sorry about the additional logic challenges.

I personally have never had THAT much trouble

testing the Spirits as SCRIPTURE instructs.

And, lining up a Scripture on one page and something else purporting to be of God on a parallel page and comparing them . . .

wellllll, frankly, it's just not that often that big of a mental challenge.

Sorry it troubles you so much.

Perhaps you should ask Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth.

Oh, that's right, Your Holy Spirit has a case of 2,000 year old laryngitus.

Welll, I guess you're up a creek without a clue, then.


273 posted on 11/10/2004 9:37:35 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; Gamecock
TRACE IT OUT. IT'S IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD!

Stop being cute and tell us where this alleged vision came from. Philip Schaff mentions that there were "more than twenty distinguished persons of that name in the Greek church".

I haven't been able to find any reliable inforamtion about this "prophecy". Some say it was written in the 5th century. Some in the 6th. Some in the 17th.

And if this was written by some Greek by the name of Nilus, can you find the Greek language original?

Just based on some of the language (English of course), it looks like a fraud. E.g., Folks didn't use terms like "20th century" in AD430.

We can deal with the substance after we get the history is resolved.

274 posted on 11/10/2004 9:40:26 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix

IF you can focus long enough, refer back to post #266


275 posted on 11/10/2004 9:43:33 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Proudly defending the Dems right to stupidity since 1987)
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To: Quix

Could you please remove me from your ping list?

Thanks


276 posted on 11/10/2004 9:44:38 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: UsnDadof8

You keep ringing my bell, I'll keep answering my phone.

BTW, How many dozen times did I ask you to quit hijacking etc. and YOU ABSOLUTELY IGNORED MY REQUESTS?

I don't think you have a leg to stand on to ask anything of me.


277 posted on 11/10/2004 9:51:54 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: jennyjenny

Wasn't a ping list, Jenny. But sure.

I just went quickly through the thread and selected all the names I thought warranted inclusion.

Sorry to have bothered you.


278 posted on 11/10/2004 9:52:59 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
BTW, How many dozen times did I ask you to quit hijacking etc. and YOU ABSOLUTELY IGNORED MY REQUESTS?

Um, I believe that you pinged me to this crackpot thread. Refer again to post 266

No reply is necessary.

279 posted on 11/10/2004 9:55:02 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Proudly defending the Dems right to stupidity since 1987)
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To: topcat54

You may have searched further than I have. I accept that it's in the reference book cited in the first post on the other thread. I assume such scholars had some integrity and diligence about them in compiling that reference.

As far as the phrase 20th century, translations that are worth anything try to put things in the modern language accurately. Nothing more need be involved with that.

Nice that you work so hard to avoid dealing with the essentials of the matter.

I realize we all tend to expend a lot of energy protecting our constructions on reality.

LOL.


280 posted on 11/10/2004 9:57:02 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54
I would (no surpise), and lots of non-futurists would argue that modern-day Israel is a fulfillment of any specific biblical prophecy.

It takes more work that just pointing a text yanked from the Bible and then pointing at modern Israel to convince many Christians that B fulfills A.

Saying it is so does not make it so.

Sorry, but I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Just to be clear, my point was that modern day Israel is NOT the fulfillment of the prophecy from Zephaniah that the article stated. (is your first sentence missing a "not"?)

281 posted on 11/10/2004 9:57:05 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2

It's soooooooooooooo exciting in these interesting times,

that God clearly disagrees with you.


282 posted on 11/10/2004 10:00:39 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; Gamecock
Nice that you work so hard to avoid dealing with the essentials of the matter.

If the "vision" is a fraud what is there to "deal with"?

You were the one that brought up the dubious "vision" as proof against the cessationist position.

Would you also like me to "deal with" the The Collected Works of Daffy Duck while I'm at it?

The "vision" was most likely penned within the last century. At this point that is all I have to deal with.

283 posted on 11/10/2004 10:08:47 AM PST by topcat54
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2

It could just as well refer to truthful speech, regardless of the language.

01305 barar {baw-rar'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 288; v

AV - pure 5, choice 2, chosen 2, clean 2, clearly 1, manifest 1,
bright 1, purge out 1, polished 1, purge 1, purified 1; 18

1) to purify, select, polish, choose, purge, cleanse or make bright,
test or prove
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to purge, purge out, purify
1a2) to choose, select
1a3) to cleanse, make shining, polish
1a4) to test, prove
1b) (Niphal) to purify oneself
1c) (Piel) to purify
1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to purify
1d2) to polish arrows
1e) (Hithpael)
1e1) to purify oneself
1e2) to show oneself pure, just, kind


Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.


Proverbs 21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.


Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they **gnawed their tongues for pain**,
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.


284 posted on 11/10/2004 10:11:05 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Quix
I accept that it's in the reference book cited in the first post on the other thread. I assume such scholars had some integrity and diligence about them in compiling that reference.

Since you're all excited about this "vision", perhaps you just failed to realize there there was no "reference book" where this "vision" was cited. It came from "various internet sources". So as far as "scholars" and "integrity" is concerned, none were offered.

So far it has all earmarks of an urban legend.

You need to do more homework. Perhaps you can find an original source. I have not been able to.

285 posted on 11/10/2004 10:15:29 AM PST by topcat54
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Should have said, "would argue with the position that modern-day Israel is a fulfillment of any specific biblical prophecy."

I do not believe it is. So I guess we agree.

286 posted on 11/10/2004 10:18:13 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix; topcat54; Gamecock; Alex Murphy
You may have searched further than I have. I accept that it's in the reference book cited in the first post on the other thread. I assume such scholars had some integrity and diligence about them in compiling that reference.

In a few short sentences you exposed why you lack any semblance of logic or reality. You continually blast anyone who disagrees with you, accusing them of lacking those qualities, when anyone who actually uses discernment can see that you will accept anything uncontested as long as it agrees with your preconceived notions. Sad.

287 posted on 11/10/2004 10:21:40 AM PST by GLENNS
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To: topcat54

Perhaps you could find this:

(Excerpted from The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition)

on a dusty shelf in a local Roman library.


288 posted on 11/10/2004 10:32:50 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: GLENNS

Wrong.

I suggest you re-examine and recalculate.

And check out:

(Excerpted from The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition)


289 posted on 11/10/2004 10:34:24 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
Oh, so now that you've actually decided to check what the source is we should just forget that you jumped to a unjustified belief that matched your cosmology.

The mere fact that you will readily accept any claims prior to justifying those claims is an indication that your cosmological interpretive grid will always override any evidence proffered against it and the result is an overly aggressive behavior towards those who provide said evidence.
290 posted on 11/10/2004 10:57:06 AM PST by GLENNS
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To: Quix

I have no idea why you are summoning me over here, as if I disagree with you, you will call in the Religion Moderator. Moreover, I believe that the HS is alive and well and indwells all those who worship God the Father and believe in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.


291 posted on 11/10/2004 11:11:35 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: Quix

I didn't mention what I am convinced of, bit I charge people a lot of money for fixing it......


292 posted on 11/10/2004 11:14:45 AM PST by Gamecock (What do neeners and dems have in common? Both are in denial about [the] election.)
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To: Quix
"...that God clearly disagrees with you."

I hesitate to ask, but what does He specifically disagree with?

293 posted on 11/10/2004 11:58:08 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: Quix

I forgot... What is this thread about?


294 posted on 11/10/2004 12:46:04 PM PST by lectricpup (Woof!)
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To: Quix
Perhaps you could find this:

(Excerpted from The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition)

on a dusty shelf in a local Roman library.

Actually, it's online. You can read it here

It says nothing about the alleged "vision".

Keep trying.

Just a bit of advice, you might want to verify your sources before shouting at folks with a 72 point red font.

295 posted on 11/10/2004 12:58:43 PM PST by topcat54
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To: GLENNS

HOGWASH.

Your crew demanded an example of any kind of valid sort of thing I was talking about way back when. This one came along. I chose to risk sharing it.

It rings true to me both from the historicity of it's writing to it's modern relevancy as well as it's Biblical congruence.

You can deny those facts and pretend your paradigm on reality is still valid.

It just doesn't wash with me.

But, at least I offered you yet again something valid to allow you to adjust your constructions on reality more congruently with Scriptures and what God's doing in our era.

Your choice to deny all such.


296 posted on 11/10/2004 1:07:23 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

No. I have no need to ask the Religion Moderator for help with reasonable fitting dialogue.

Am glad you believe Holy Spirit is alive and well and indwlling all who worship The Father etc.

I wish that you'd also allow Him to speak to you vs silently indwelling you.


297 posted on 11/10/2004 1:08:35 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

I pinged you because you and crew mercilessly demanded of me any reasonable, valid evidence for my contention that Holy Spirit could still speak [post last John writing the last word of Revelation]--that Holy Spirit could still speak to Christians in our era through any Dream, Vision or otherwise.

This example is a good one for the sort of thing you demanded.

I don't really expect any of you to learn anything from it as your minds are to . . . firmly . . . set . . .

But I do wish to respond, as requested, when I can. And this came along.

Besides, I have some Christian duty to share such truth with the likes of your group.


298 posted on 11/10/2004 1:10:43 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Gamecock

I have no clue what this sentence refers to or means.


299 posted on 11/10/2004 1:11:20 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2

Maybe I can trace it out when I get home tonight.


300 posted on 11/10/2004 1:11:51 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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