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PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]
CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

Posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:35 PM PST by Quix

Prophetic Signs that we are in the End Times

Contender Ministries

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The Bible gives many examples of signs that should warn us of the coming end of the age. Six such signs are given by Jesus, two characteristics are given by Paul, and eleven other occurrences are given by the prophets to occur prior to or soon after the end of the age. While we are also told we will not know the time of the End, God obviously wanted us to know when that time was getting closer. As the Christian church is increasingly drawn into the interfaith movement, and as more and more churches go into isolation, preparing to sleep through the growing attacks on their faith, perhaps God knew it would take a few signs to wake us up and remind us that we have work to do.

Unfortunately, many Christians take the verses that tell us we won't know the time of His coming to mean they should ignore any and all scripture that might warn us of this time of tribulation. Others have fallen into the trap of fearing being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should they display an interest in the Biblical prophecies about our future on Earth. My philosophy is simple. God included it in the Bible and, since God is all knowing, we should trust that it is something we should know and study along with the rest of His Word.

It is increasingly obvious that the time of our Lord's coming is drawing near. Prophecy is being fulfilled daily, and at a faster pace than ever before. Whether you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, or believe Christians will be witness to the full tribulation, wrath, and final judgments, matters not. The beginning of birth pains and the signs of the times should have the same effect on all of us. It should motivate us to save as many souls as we can in the time that we have left. The Great Commission tells us to be disciples to all nations, bringing the message of salvation through Christ to all people. If the Church is raptured before the tribulation, it is important that we leave behind an explanation for the trials and judgments those left behind will face. How else will they recognize the deception of the anti-Christ and seek instead the truth of the Bible? If we are to endure the tribulation along side them, we will need to be prepared to not only share the message of salvation, but share with them the reasons for God's judgment and hold it up as further proof of their need to be saved.

Below is a study of the prophetic signs God gave us as a warning of the approaching end of the age. Many of them are being fulfilled now and many will be fulfilled in the near future. I would encourage you to study prophecy, know what is coming and be prepared to share it with others.

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SIX SIGNS GIVEN BY JESUS TO INDICATE HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE

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In Matthew24:3 Jesus was asked, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" Jesus told his apostles to look for the following signs prior to his second coming and the end of the age.

1. FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy. These false prophets are a prelude to the ultimate false christ, the antichrist. Many New Age groups, some even NGO's working for the United Nations, are anxiously awaiting the antichrist, preparing the way for his acceptance as the head of the hierarchy of gods and the one who will usher in world peace.

2. WARS

Matthew 24:6 "And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end."

Rumors of wars in all areas of the world now occur frequently thanks to instant media coverage and the availability of a multitude of 24-hour news sources.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

More people have been killed in warfare in this century than at any other time in history. As the death toll rises in the Middle East, more and more countries work feverishly to develop devastating weapons of mass destruction. Add to that the expanding threat of terrorism and unpredictable dictators such as Saddam Hussein, and the potential for the outbreak of war exists in nations, kingdoms and places across the globe.

3. FAMINES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

As white, Christian farmers are driven out of Africa in increasing numbers, and foreigners move in to replace life-sustaining crops with poppies that now supply 25% of the worlds drugs, famine spreads across the African continent. The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.

4. EARTHQUAKES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

The number and intensity of earthquakes this century is at a level higher than any other time in history. A staggering number of seismic events occur around the world daily. The earthquake seismic monitor IRIS shows all major earthquakes for the last year. Indicated by yellow and red circles, the seismic events of the last 15 days provides strong evidence of the fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 in our day. By contrast, in the years from 1890 to 1900 there was only one major earthquake in the world.

5. TRIBULATIONS

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Christians are under attack throughout the world today. In the United States Christians still enjoy freedom to worship God without suffering much more than ridicule, hatred, or discrimination at work and school. However in many other countries such as China, Sudan, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Russia, and many Muslim nations, Christian suffer much greater persecution and often times death for their faith. During the tribulation this suffering will be worldwide and will continue even to the point of martyrdom. These first 5 signs will increase in intensity and severity as the tribulation approaches, much like the birth pangs or contractions of a pregnant woman worsen as the delivery time approaches.

6. THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."

This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet. People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices.

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TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL

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1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS

II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

For anyone who has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, it is obvious this prophecy has been fulfilled by our generation. Our leaders are often corrupt; our cities are filled with crime, brutality, and neon signs proclaiming our sinful, godless nature. The New Age Movement brings in increasing numbers of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people in our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.

2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)

I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."

Churches today are becoming more and more ecumenical, embracing the New Age interfaith agenda, and denying Christ as the only way to salvation. Giving in to the politically correct media and a corrupt society, they have embrace homosexuality as an acceptable alternate lifestyle and preach tolerance and compromise in place of God's truth for the salvation of the world. The environmentalist movement within the New Age movement lures them into a worship of mother earth, belief in past lives, reincarnation, and Karma while demonizing all those who would eat the meat God gave us as nourishment for our bodies.

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ELEVEN FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECY REQUIRED FOR THE END OF THE AGE

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1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST

Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."

An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.

2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)

Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."

Daniel 2:40-43 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have the toughness of iron, and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. And in that you saw the iron mixed with clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

The fourth kingdom of iron is the Roman empire according to Daniel's interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The two legs are the division of the Roman empire into an eastern portion called the Byzantine empire which ended in the 1400's and a western portion based in Rome which ended in the 400's. The nations of Europe since the Roman empire dissolved have never adhered or formed one empire but continue as separate nations, however, the European Union now has 15 Member States and is preparing for the accession of 13 eastern and southern European countries.

3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

4. REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE, RESTORATION OF TEMPLE WORSHIP AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM

For several end time prophecies to be fulfilled, the temple will have to be rebuilt.

Revelation 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the oly city for forty-two months."

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolation, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Some archeologists believe that the temple mount is actually 340 feet south of the Dome of the Rock site, putting the Dome of the Rock within the Court of the Gentiles. This may be the court outside the temple that is left out.

There are many groups already working on preparations for the new temple. The blueprints are already done, the temple garments have been made, and there have already been attempts to lay the cornerstone of the temple. The only thing standing in the way of the construction of the new temple is Islam's third holiest site, the Dome of the Rock and government support for such an undertaking. Some possible scenarios for the rebuilding of the temple are as follows:

1. The persuasion and performing of miracles by the Antichrist and False Prophet convinces the Islamic world to approve the rebuilding.

2. The United Nations will negotiate the rebuilding of the temple following a war with the armies from the North (Russia and Islamic forces). This assumes that the war with the armies from the North is not the battle of Armageddon as some feel and that this attack occurs before the rapture or tribulation period begins. The supernatural destruction of the Russian army and Islamic forces will cause an outpouring of Christian worship and zeal amongst the Jewish people who will reconstruct the temple.

3. It is determined that the site of the first two temples is actually south of the Dome of the Rock, and the court of the gentiles (Dome of the Rock) will be left out of the 3rd temple.

A group in Israel called the Temple Mount Faithful have obtained most of the clothing, instruments and other equipment required for temple worship and are actively preparing for the laying of the third temple's cornerstone.

5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS

Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002.

6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL

Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Billy Graham was quoted as saying, "ninety percent of all the engineers and scientists who have ever lived are alive today." Air travel, space travel, DNA research and human cloning are all examples of the rapid increase in knowledge in our generation.

7. RETURN OF THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel.

8. THE RISE OF RUSSIA

Ezekiel 38:2,4,8 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them."

In order for some end time events to occur Russia will have to be a strong nation with a strong military.

9. RETURN OF RUSSIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."

In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.

10. TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Revelation 13:16-17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

On May 10, three members of a family in Florida became the first people to receive the biochip implant. Each device, made of silicon and called a VeriChip, is a small radio transmitter about the size of a piece of rice that is injected under a person's skin. It transmits a unique personal ID number whenever it is within a few feet of a special receiver unit. VeriChip's maker describes it as "a miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications."

Is the biochip the mark of the beast to be used by the antichrist? We can't really know. What is significant is that people are being softened to the idea of a mark or an implant as a means of maintaining security, providing medical information, and regulating a more interdependent world. As attitudes change, fears subside, and people are convinced of the need for such a mark, the true mark of the beast will be easily introduced to the world by the antichrist.

11. PLANS FOR THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

The United Nations, World Trade Organization, International Criminal Court, UN peacekeeping/police force, numerous UN NGO's, and other agencies are preliminary steps to the formation of a one world government. We now have the communications technology, transportation, and the pro-globalization media necessary to usher in the one world government headed by the antichrist. The increasing terrorist threat and the middle east conflict will only speed up the formation of this governing body as fear and promises of better security make more people willing to give up their national sovereignty for global governance.

12. INSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THE WORLD

Revelation 11:3, 7-10 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophecy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

Television and the 24-hour news networks make it possible for people around the world to see the dead prophets and rejoice at their deaths.

Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place."


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To: lectricpup

It was set up in large part, mainly to present and discuss in fair minded ways prophetic dreams, visions etc. which God seems to be sharing with Believers in behalf of their prayers for the times we are in; our nation and families in such times and in the times coming in the near future.


301 posted on 11/10/2004 1:13:06 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54

Your exhortations are soooooo sweet!

LOL.

Perhaps some of the Roman folks can give us more input on such details. Not sure when I'll get to it.

The sourcing still sounds valid enough to me.


302 posted on 11/10/2004 1:14:30 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
Your exhortations are soooooo sweet!

Don't mention it.

Perhaps some of the Roman folks can give us more input on such details. Not sure when I'll get to it.

The sourcing still sounds valid enough to me.

What "sourcing"?? "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

303 posted on 11/10/2004 1:28:49 PM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; UsnDadof8
I wish that you'd also allow Him to speak to you vs silently indwelling you.

Well here is what Peter wrote: 2 Peter 1:19

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Moreover, All your goofy October dream predictions never materialized. You are a false prophet.

304 posted on 11/10/2004 1:47:00 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
Moreover, All your goofy October dream predictions never materialized.

God is good.

Hi, D'Ed. Glad to see you're up and walking still. (How does one walk still?) (Two?)

305 posted on 11/10/2004 1:59:32 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
When I came up out of the water, I was given a crutch and I named it lean on me
306 posted on 11/10/2004 2:03:32 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

HO HO HO.

I don't think it was 0.

And, I don't know what effect prayer had. I noted at the time that they were a call to prayer to prevent such rather than the set in stone type.

And, I don't recall making any predicitons personally. I do like to collect puzzle pieces and discuss them with fairminded or like minded people.


307 posted on 11/10/2004 2:37:34 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
And, I don't recall making any predicitons (sic)personally. other than on the 27th of some month, sometime, some thing is going to happen and when it does I will jump up and say AHA! I do like to collect puzzle pieces and discuss them with fairminded blah blah blah
308 posted on 11/10/2004 2:43:13 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: Quix

309 posted on 11/10/2004 2:44:33 PM PST by paltz
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

That one wasn't mine, either.


310 posted on 11/10/2004 2:45:11 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: paltz

So sweeeeeet.

Thanks.


311 posted on 11/10/2004 2:46:16 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
LOL. Lets start with this comment

Actually, I'm talking about Holy Spirit breathed Biblical sorts of dreams and/or waking 'visions' which are instructive from The Lord for some reason--and in this case, predictive regarding terror attacks etc. in the month of Oct.

And then your now famous number ninety-nine in which you also say, to wit:

Thought I'd share. I have dreams all the time, but these really bugged me. I'm not sure what makes "prophecy" dreams different, but they are.

So it does appear your memory of your false prophecies runs out faster than a Hollywood lawyer when the money is gone

312 posted on 11/10/2004 3:02:59 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: Quix; All
Quix. I’m thankful as a believer to have people like you and others watching for the Lord. All Christians are commanded to WATCH, but it seems that some would prefer you didn’t bother telling them what you see.

There are over 20 commands in the New Testament to watch.

Watch for what?

Mt 24: 42-44 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:33-35-37 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

1 Thess 5: 6. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

What kind a watchman doesn’t cry out to warn those around him that are too busy with other things to watch for themselves.

I’ts like the story of the little boy that cried wolf so many times, that no one would listened, so I guess they’d prefer you wait until you see Christ coming in the clouds, and then yell at them on the way up. :)

Some can ignore the fact that all Christians are to watch, by branding the warnings as unfilled prophecies.

When we describe what we see as signs of Christ return, it isn’t a prophecy, since only God can make something happen, but if we don’t watch, and warn others of what we see, we are shirking the responsibility scripture gave us.

Keep up the good work.

JH :)

313 posted on 11/10/2004 4:25:15 PM PST by JHavard (teaching for doctrines the commandments of man. Mt 15:9)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Yes, I was interested in prophecies about Oct because of the ones I'd come across.

There were some things which could have been construed to have fit within the parameters--I don't recall specifically at the time--long lost in tons of emails from tons of lists. But I recall that they were somewhat along the line of rather subtle things--none of the more dramatic stuff I somewhat expected but was by no means certain about--given that most of those giving such prophetic input exhorted that they were given largely to foster prayer to prevent such judgment falling so soon. I don't know what or how much such earnest prayers prevented. I'm sure you don't either.

As best as I can recall, this statement was from one of the prophetic sources I was posting and not my own words about my own experience.

You seem to have a great deal of trouble sorting out when I quote someone else vs when I state something myself. Interesting. Mystifyng unless you just have this heart problem of seeking every remote trumped up thing you can think of to dump on me--which seems rather probable given my observations of you.


314 posted on 11/10/2004 6:29:39 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: JHavard

Thanks.

Great point. And, great question and Scriptures.

LUB,


315 posted on 11/10/2004 6:31:00 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; All

An interesting ref I stumbled across:

Hi Byrd...I know old post but just reading what you wrote here about this prophecy DID NOT EXIST BEFORE 1950.....is alot of bull****

It certainly did exist and many other prophecies of his as well.......maybe not on the web site , but in many of the books I have read in Greek...my grandmother who has passed away had books of many that still DO EXIST and dont go telling me that this was all made up!!!

And he does not mention ANY SPECIFIC DATE! of when the Antichrist will appear!!!

As for the many of the peoples appearance....YES,let's say we go back 20 yrs and look at the way society was and look at today's ...we can see that ''Morals'' have gone and that is a FACT not just a statement to OFFEND .........
You know.....people can believe whatever they wish to believe....
helen...........

And ....if I may seem a bit to harsh...well..Sorry!
But people will always say things to try to fit into a MODERN world...
That's it!


316 posted on 11/10/2004 8:09:30 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

Additional Nilus info:

St. Nilus

(Neilos)

Nilus the elder, of Sinai (died c. 430), was one of the many disciples and fervent defenders of St. John Chrysostom. We know him first as a layman, married, with two sons. At this time he was an officer at the Court of Constantinople, and is said to have been one of the Prætorian Prefects, who, according to Diocletian and Constantine's arrangement, were the chief functionaries and heads of all other governors for the four main divisions of the empire. Their authority, however, had already begun to decline by the end of the fourth century.

While St. John Chrysostom was patriarch, before his first exile (398-403), he directed Nilus in the study of Scripture and in works of piety (Nikephoros Kallistos, "hist. Eccl.", XIV, 53, 54). About the year 390 (Tillemont, "Mémoires", XIV, 190-91) or perhaps 404 (Leo Allatius, "De Nilis", 11-14), Nilus left his wife and one son and took the other, Theodulos, with him to Mount Sinai to be a monk. They lived here till about the year 410 (Tillemont, ib., p. 405) when the Saracens, invading the monastery, took Theodulos prisoner. The Saracens intended to sacrifice him to their gods, but eventually sold him as a slave, so that he came into the possession of the Bishop of Eleusa in Palestine. The Bishop received Theodulos among his clergy and made him door-keeper of the church. Meanwhile Nilus, having left his monastery to find his son, at last met him at Eleusa. The bishop then ordained them both priests and allowed them to return to Sinai. The mother and the other son had also embraced the religious life in Egypt. St. Nilus was certainly alive till the year 430. It is uncertain how soon after that he died. Some writers believe him to have lived till 451 (Leo Allatius, op. cit., 8-14). The Byzantine Menology for his feast (12 November) supposes this. On the other hand, none of his works mentions the Council of Ephesus (431) and he seems to know only the beginning of the Nestorian troubles; so we have no evidence of his life later than about 430.

From his monastery at Sinai Nilus was a wellknown person throughout the Eastern Church; by his writings and correspondence he played an important part in the history of his time. He was known as a theologian, Biblical scholar and ascetic writer, so people of all kinds, from the emperor down, wrote to consult him. His numerous works, including a multitude of letters, consist of denunciations of heresy, paganism, abuses of discipline and crimes, of rules and principles of asceticism, especially maxims about the religious life. He warns and threatens people in high places, abbots and bishops, governors and princes, even the emperor himself, without fear. He kept up a correspondence with Gaina, a leader of the Goths, endeavouring to convert him from Arianism (Book I of his letters, nos. 70, 79, 114, 115, 116, 205, 206, 286); he denounced vigorously the persecution of St. John Chrysostom both to the Emperor Arcadius (ib., II, 265; III, 279) and to his courtiers (I, 309; III, 199).

Nilus must be counted as one of the leading ascetic writers of the fifth century. His feast is kept on 12 November in the Byzantine Calendar; he is commemorated also in the Roman martyrology on the same date. The Armenians remember him, with other Egyptian fathers, on the Thursday after the third Sunday of their Advent (Nilles, "Kalendarium Manuale", Innsbruck, 1897, II, 624).

The writings of St. Nilus of Sinai were first edited by Possinus (Paris, 1639); in 1673 Suarez published a supplement at Rome; his letters were collected by Possinus (Paris, 1657), a larger collection was made by Leo Allatius (Rome, 1668). All these editions are used in P. G., LXXIX. The works are divided by Fessler-Jungmann into four classes:

* (1) Works about virtues and vices in general: — "Peristeria" (P. G., LXXIX, 811-968), a treatise in three parts addressed to a monk Agathios; "On Prayer" (peri proseuches, ib., 1165-1200); "Of the eight spirits of wickedness" (peri ton th'pneumaton tes ponerias, ib., 1145-64); "Of the vice opposed to virtues" (peri tes antizygous ton areton kakias, ib., 1140-44); "Of various bad thoughts" (peri diapsoron poneron logismon, ib., 1200-1234); "On the word of the Gospel of Luke", xxii, 36 (ib., 1263-1280).
* (2) "Works about the monastic life": — Concerning the slaughter of monks on Mount Sinai, in seven parts, telling the story of the author's life at Sinai, the invasion of the Saracens, captivity of his son, etc. (ib., 590-694); Concerning Albianos, a Nitrian monk whose life is held up as an example (ib., 695-712); "Of Asceticism" (Logos asketikos, about the monastic ideal, ib., 719-810); "Of voluntary poverty" (peri aktemosynes, ib., 968-1060); "Of the superiority of monks" (ib., 1061-1094); "To Eulogios the monk" (ib., 1093-1140).
* (3) "Admonitions" (Gnomai) or "Chapters" (kephalaia), about 200 precepts drawn up in short maxims (ib., 1239-62). These are probably made by his disciples from his discourses.
* (4) "Letters": — Possinus published 355, Allatius 1061 letters, divided into four books (P. G., LXXIX, 81-585). Many are not complete, several overlap, or are not really letters but excerpts from Nilus' works; some are spurious. Fessler-Jungmann divides them into classes, as dogmatic, exegetical, moral, and ascetic. Certain works wrongly attributed to Nilus are named in Fessler-Jungmann, pp. 125-6.

NIKEPHOROS KALLISTOS, Hist. Eccl., XIV, xliv; LEO ALLATIUS, Diatriba de Nilis et eorum scriptis in his edition of the letters (Rome, 1668); TILLEMONT, Mémoires pour servir à l'histoire ecclésiastique, XIV (Paris, 1693-1713), 189-218; FABRICIUS-HARLES, Bibliotheca grœca, X (Hamburg, 1790-1809), 3-17; CEILLIER, Histoire générale des auteurs sacrés, XIII (Paris, 1729-1763), iii; FESSLER-JUNGMANN, Institutiones Patrologiœ, II (Innsbruck, 1896), ii, 108-128.


317 posted on 11/10/2004 8:32:41 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

I guess the naysayer so given to exhorting smugly, haughtily and sternly about me not researching thoroughly enough was simply WRONG. It would be nice if he were less hypocritical.

The prohecy

IS

quoted in the 1911 Roman Catholic Encyclopedia.

As attested to at this site:

http://www.christianawakening.com/prophecy/prophecy.html#

reached from this initial page:

http://www.christianawakening.com/prophecy/prophecy.html

from this GOOGLE link:

Prophecy
... END Source not recorded. Ex-Internet. The Prophecy of Saint Nilus. ... [copied from "The Catholic Encyclopedia," 1911 copyright edition]. The Prophecy of Saint Nilus ...




The Prophecy of Saint Nilus

Describing the Plight of the World and the Church during the 20th Century
Written By
SAINT NILUS
(d. circa AD 430)

Preliminary Remarks St. Nilus was one of the many disciples and fervent defenders of St. John Chrysostom. He was an officer at the Court of
Constantinople, married, with two sons. While St. John Chrysostom was patriarch, before his exile (398-403), he directed Nilus in
the study of Scripture and in works of piety. St. Nilus left his wife and one son and took the other, Theodulos, with him to Mt. Sinai
to be a monk. The Bishop of Eleusa ordained both St. Nilus and his son to the priesthood. The mother and other son also
embraced the religious life in Egypt. From his monastery at Sinai, St. Nilus was a well-known person throughout the Eastern
Church; by his writings and correspondence he played an important part in the history of his time. He was known as a theologian,
Biblical scholar and ascetic writer, so people of all kinds, from the emperor down wrote to consult him. His numerous works,
including a multitude of letters, consist of denunciations of heresy, paganism, abuses of discipline and crimes, of rules and
principles of asceticism, especially maxims about the religious life. He warns and threatens people in high places, abbots and
bishops, governors and princes, even the emperor himself, without fear. He kept up a correspondence with Gaina, a leader of the
Goths, endeavoring to convert him from Arianism. He denounced vigorously the persecution of St. John Chrysostom both to the
Emperor Arcadius and to his courtiers. St. Nilus must be counted as one of the leading ascetic writers of the fifth century. His feast
is kept on November 12th in the Byzantine Calendar; he is commemorated also in the Roman Martyrology on the same date. St.
Nilus probably died around the year 430 as there is no evidence of his life after that. [copied from "The Catholic Encyclopedia," 1911
copyright edition]

The Prophecy of Saint Nilus

After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time
for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and
lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, and it will be
impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and
will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will
disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand
way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon
modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures.
Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society. At that future time, due to the power of such great
crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and
equally of remorse. The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians
remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light
of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their
spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints. And all this will result from the fact that the
Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and
fantastic signs. He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can
carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like
birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their
lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! -- he will so complete
science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases. Then
the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being
saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... then the sword of chastisement will
suddenly appear and kill the perverter and his servants.

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I also have emails into a couple of supposed scholars to comment on the authenticity and age of the prophecy. We shall see how long they take to reply.


318 posted on 11/10/2004 8:40:40 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
GC I didn't mention what I am convinced of, bit I charge people a lot of money for fixing it.....

quix I have no clue what this sentence refers to or means.

Never mind.

319 posted on 11/10/2004 8:48:33 PM PST by Gamecock (What do neeners and dems have in common? Both are in denial about [the] election.)
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To: Gamecock

My fee tends to go up when people say

nevermind

in the middle of the stream.


320 posted on 11/10/2004 8:53:23 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
My fee is somewhat fixed by health insurance industry
321 posted on 11/10/2004 9:05:35 PM PST by Gamecock (What do neeners and dems have in common? Both are in denial about [the] election.)
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To: Quix
Geez, people still take this crap seriously? Has anyone ever considered the writers of this stuff were high?

It's always "the end" and "the signs" of the end. I even had someone tell me to my face that the apocalypse was coming and there would REALLY be 4 horsemen...ON HORSES!

Talk about taking things literally.
322 posted on 11/10/2004 9:10:48 PM PST by Fledermaus (Are we a nation divided? Yes. Is it Red-Blue? No. It's Sane vs. the Insane Left!!!!!)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


323 posted on 11/10/2004 9:17:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Fledermaus

Your charity

as well as your breadth and depth of

understanding of

the topic

and

of the people interested in the topic

. . .

your depth and breadth of understanding of the topic and of the people appear to be miniscule--probably microscopic.

Whereas your biases appear as big, cold and rigid as the iceberg that's as big as Rhode Island.


324 posted on 11/10/2004 9:53:02 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
I guess the naysayer so given to exhorting smugly, haughtily and sternly about me not researching thoroughly enough was simply WRONG. It would be nice if he were less hypocritical. The prohecy IS quoted in the 1911 Roman Catholic Encyclopedia. As attested to at this site:

Shall we just chalk this one up to your poor reading skills? Those sites do not say that the prophecy is quoted in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1911. The only thing recorded in the Encyclopedia is the basic information about St. Nilus. That basic info was copied on these sites. There is no mention of the prophecy.

Go back and read the original in the Catholic Encyclopedia for yourself. You can find it here.

The prophecy still appears to be a fake since no original reference can be found.

325 posted on 11/11/2004 7:18:41 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix
An interesting ref I stumbled across:

Do you know what hearsay evidence is?

Almost everybody has a friend whose brother-in-law works with a guy that thinks he saw Bigfoot.

You're grasping at staws. You want it to be true so badly, don't you?

326 posted on 11/11/2004 7:23:46 AM PST by topcat54
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Bookmark


327 posted on 11/11/2004 7:54:42 AM PST by redgolum (Molon labe)
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To: Quix

Yawn!


328 posted on 11/11/2004 7:59:46 AM PST by Fledermaus (Are we a nation divided? Yes. Is it Red-Blue? No. It's Sane vs. the Insane Left!!!!!)
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To: topcat54

What is your proof concerning the Speculative fabrication concerning the end times?


329 posted on 11/11/2004 8:08:04 AM PST by desherwood7
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To: topcat54; Fledermaus

Not grasping at straws at all.

Your perspective just won't allow you to see otherwise.

It's clear the prophecy is a genuine one. There's sufficient refs to it's historicity for one.

But I don't think any amount of any quality of evidence would sway you.

You are sooooo sweet.

bye.


330 posted on 11/11/2004 8:15:21 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: desherwood7; Gamecock
What is your proof concerning the Speculative fabrication concerning the end times?

- Jesus returning in 1988 based on speculation about the modern state of Israel.
- The ongoing speculative redefinition of the phrase "this generation" as used in Matthew 24.
- The "Common Market" as the speculative "10 nation confederacy" of the so-called "revived Roman empire".
- Speculation about the person of "antichrist". Is he a Jew, a Muslim, a Westerner, or Henry Kissinger? Is he alive now living in Europe, the middle east? Is "he" actually a "she"?
- Speculation about red heifers, Aaron's genes, and pre-fab temples.
- Speculation of the other "major players" in "soon approaching" events. This seems to change every time the UN puts out a new list of member states. (E.g., The Soviet Union, Libya, Saddam Hussein and the rise of "Babylon".)
- The "sounds like" theology that turns biblical Gog and Magog into modern places with modern names.
- Speculation on the "mark of the beast" being everything from VISA cards to tatoos to chip implants. (Check out the 666 Calculator found here)
- Uncritical Christian Zionist support for the modern state of Israel based on speculation about the place of Israel in prophecy.
- All twelve volumes of the Left Behind series.

The scenarios that gets one from point A to point B in all these cases are clearly fabricated.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

331 posted on 11/11/2004 8:46:58 AM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54

Sounds like your biases are well padded, alright!

LOL.

Bye.


332 posted on 11/11/2004 10:21:58 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

Simply because every generation since the Bible has had their "evidence" to "prove" the so-called prophecies that I don't buy this new round of "proof".

For example: there are thousands who now interpret Armaggedon as a nuclear holocaust. So what was Armaggedon interpreted as BEFORE we had nuclear weapons?

All of these items are vague enough and can't be taken literally. It's also based on translations done centuries ago by men with agendas.

You worry about your soul and leave mine out of it...if there is such a thing. And you can drop your smug preaching, it's unbecoming.


333 posted on 11/11/2004 12:09:04 PM PST by Fledermaus (Are we a nation divided? Yes. Is it Red-Blue? No. It's Sane vs. the Insane Left!!!!!)
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To: Fledermaus

Your biases clearly blind you to the amazing specificity that is there in 2,000+ year old documents . . .

as well as blind you to

a very long list of their amazing fulfillments already in our era as NEVER BEFORE IN RECORDED HISTORY.


334 posted on 11/11/2004 12:25:43 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
You seem to have a great deal of trouble sorting out when I quote someone else vs when I state something myself. Interesting. Mystifyng unless you just have this heart problem of seeking every remote trumped up thing you can think of to dump on me--which seems rather probable given my observations of you.

Yes, a false prophet is always vague and makes sure he has several outs. Blaming others is good too.

335 posted on 11/11/2004 12:49:24 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

I rebuke the label and allegation in the Name of Jesus The Christ.

You would do well to get your facts much straighter and more accurate before making such allegations.

You would also do well to disconnect your biases from the consideration and abide strictly by Scripture and Holy Spirit.

But I'm not expecting that of you in this life. Your ruts seem to be cut incredibly deep.


336 posted on 11/11/2004 1:23:08 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
You would also do well to disconnect your biases from the consideration and abide strictly by Scripture and Holy Spirit

I do. You're the one who demeans the Word of God and calls our reverance of Him as the Last Word in prophecy, idol worship. Or has that little bon mot fled from your cranium too?

337 posted on 11/11/2004 1:30:15 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

It's not your reverence for God Almighty, His Spirit or The Living Word that I decry.

It's the pharisaical religious spirit born addiction to particular humanly flawed constructions on the ink on pages

and

the WORSHIP OF THAT

which I find unBiblical; unholy and exceedingly dismaying and offensive to God and man.


338 posted on 11/11/2004 1:47:28 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54
How can prophecies be unfolding when Jesus said we would not know the time of His return?

I think this is a good point. Jesus is the end of biblical prophecy. The book of revelation of Jesus Christ is a wrap-up. Everything since the Resurrection is endtime.

339 posted on 11/11/2004 1:48:33 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: Quix
on the ink on pages

This comment alone reveals your abject lack of understanding, Quix. You are not a prophet of the Lord's, you make that very clear in the serious remarks that you cannot refrain yourself from making.

340 posted on 11/11/2004 1:54:21 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Just observing the very, very, very persistent you folks present.

Walks like a duck . . . worships personal/denominational/organizational/traditions-of-men constructions on ink on pages vs The Living Word Christ Jesus like a pharisee's duck . . .

Actually, I'm not surprised that your biases blind you from even seeing the difference mentally or in your mirrors.


341 posted on 11/11/2004 2:09:04 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
Matthew 12:36

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now Who is right I wonder, Quix, or ink on a page?

342 posted on 11/11/2004 2:13:52 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Excellent choice of Scripture.

Clearly you and your crew will only notice, pay attention to, be influenced by,

IF AT ALL

ONLY

by the one sign designed strictly for the pharisees.

No wonder the rest of the signs are non-existent to you. I hadn't thought of that before.

Thanks for making that clearer to me.


343 posted on 11/11/2004 2:19:22 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
Who will I hearken unto, Quix, who sets himself above God's Word, or ink on a page?
344 posted on 11/11/2004 2:20:54 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: Quix
PS, further showing your abject lack of understanding: All of "my crew" and I believe in the Resurrection. It is the center of the Christian faith. The adulterous generation, seeking a sign, did not believe in it and if they did perchance, why, guess what -- It just wasn't enough for them. So once again, your great "understanding" of the Word doesn't make any sense.
345 posted on 11/11/2004 2:34:11 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Quix doesn't set himself up above much of anything except those things which

Scripture and The Living Word

declare are under his feet by virtue of The Blood of The Lamb and the authority and power of His Word and Spirit.

You can continue to deny the power thereof as Scriptures indicated folks would in this era until you have to give an account of doing so to Jesus.

You can continue to pretend that your worship of ink on pages is righteous vs the truly righteous worship of The Living Word and rightly dividing the Scriptures by the leading of His Spirit.

But I wouldn't suggest that as a God pleasing habit by a long shot.


346 posted on 11/11/2004 2:39:39 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

LOL!

You're so sweet!

And you accuse me of not making sense! LOL.


347 posted on 11/11/2004 2:40:26 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
Let's see now: Quix tells me how to please God, and God, through ink on a page, instructs me Himself, on what is pleasing to God. Now, Who do I follow? Quix or the ink?

Someone help me: who do I follow? Why I think I will just disregard that silly ink, after all what is it but pigment on papyrus! Yes, I think I will follow Quix! Oh happy day!

348 posted on 11/11/2004 2:46:18 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

THANKFULLY, You are being satirical.

But, your capacity for the absurd shows yet again as among your stronger traits.

Now if your understanding could be 1/1000th that, one might havemore hope for you.


349 posted on 11/11/2004 3:19:48 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

No I'm not being satirical. I want you to be my new guru. You should be happy to have one more one eyed disciple. We can go off the cliff hand in hand.


350 posted on 11/11/2004 3:25:32 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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