Posted on 11/09/2004 9:57:26 AM PST by Pyro7480
All evidence suggests that this "vision" is just another invention. It doesn't square with the recorded facts about the St. Michael prayer (dates are wrong) and it didn't appear until decades after the "vision" took place. Check out http://www.traditionalmass.org/Russia and Leonine Prayers.htm, an investigation by a sedevacantist priest on this issue.
So much for being subject to the sanctions of Pope Leo XIII.
Cafeteria traditionalism? Why not obey the pre-V2 Holy Office?
An interesting prophecy.
My point is the critical method that looks for 'multiple attestation' as to the substance while setting aside what may well be pious accretions or later deliberate manipulations. I have never seen any original for this prophecy, and after some searching and phone calls today I cannot find anyone who has and I find that worthy of noting if only anecdotally.
But even if this quote is from St. Nilus the Myrrh-streamer, I would still suspect that the "middle of the 20th century" business was not part of the original text, but added on by some modern promoter.
As for the content, it's pretty much your standard boiler-plate critique of an immoral culture: cannot tell the men from the women, they behave like animals, faithless priests, falsehood, greed, adultery, homosex, murder, etc.
When you see that truth has died and people of truth have disappeared, and you see that injustice prevails through the land; and the Qur'an has become despised and things are introduced into it that are not in it and it is turned towards men's desires; and you see the people of error having mastery over the people of truth; and you see evil out in the open and the doers of evil are not prevented nor do they excuse themselves; and you see moral depravity openly manifest and men being content with men and women satisfied by woman; and you see the believer silent, his word not being accepted; and you see the sinful lying and he is not refuted nor does his deceit redound upon him; and you see the lowly despising the great; and you see the wombs cut open; and you see he who boasts of moral depravity is laughed at and is not spurned; and you see young men being handed over like women and women cohabitating with women and their numbers increasing; and you see men spending their wealth on things other than pious deeds and no one opposes or hinders them; and you see the onlooker turn his back on the efforts of the believer; and you see one person molesting his neighbor and no one prevents it; and you see the unbeliever joyful because he does not see gladness in the believer when he sees corruption in the world; and you see alcoholic drinks being drunk openly... and you see women occupying places in the assemblies just as men do and usury is carried out openly and adultery is praised... and you see the forbidden things made legal and the legal things forbidden; and you see that religion becomes a matter of opinion and the Book and its laws fall into disuse; and you see the leaders drawing close to the unbelievers and away from good people; and you see the leaders corrupt in their rule;... and you see men eating what their wives have obtained as a result of their immorality and knowing this and persisting in it;... and you see places of entertainment appearing which no one who passes them forbids them and no one is bold enough to put an end to them; and you see a worshipper only praying in order that the people may see him; and you see the experts in religious law devoting themselves to things other than religion, seeking the world and leadership; and you see the people living together like animals; and you see the pulpit from which fear of Allah is enjoined but the speaker does not act in the manner he has enjoined others to act;... and when you see the tokens of truth that I have taught, then be aware [of the advent of the Mahdi] and seek salvation from Allah." - The Sixth Imam Jafar As-Sadiq (as)
Kindly stop posting this garbage! You do not contribute anything positive by posting things which are our of context or have been superceded.
That was written in 1915. In more recent times, namely the last 50 years, one is more at liberty to publish and read various private writing, texts of locutions, messages, prophecies, as the layman has been granted permission to do so, by the self same Holy Office (which does not exist anymore, in that form), and by the new Code of Canon Law (1983).
Knock, knock. It's 2004.......time to wake up and smell the coffee!!!
Oh yes, all that, and black flags from Khorasan!
"I'd have a much easier time believing that a 17th-cent. holy man would make dire predictions about the world 300 years in the future than I would a 5th-cent. holy man making predictions 1500 years ahead."
I see.
Ever heard of a dude called John the revelator.....sometimes known as St. John the Evangelist???
Past the age of 90, exiled to the island of Patmos, he had a series of visions which he wrote down. We call them the Apocalypse - or Book of Revelations.
Now John was "transposted in the spirit" and saw the future, and all of its technical wonders......and all of its horrors. And he had to transcribe and describe what he was told to write.
So.......um......what are you saying here? Was Joh high on "magic mushrooms"? Or did he truly earn the title of "St John, the Divine"?
I believe holy St.Nilus.......and St. John. These were men of God, priviliged to be granted a vision for the efification of souls.
I wondered about the name Nilus too. My first thought when read it was whether it might be a "code",alerting insiders to a coming event.
When the "Prophecies of St. Nilus" gets included, let me know and I will revise my opinion.
As I said before, anyone is free to believe it authentic. I just don't.
Truth does not evolve, and it cannot be superceded. The judgments of the Holy See against the Modernists remain intact, as do the decrees against the errors of Teilhard, the decrees against the errors of Kant, and the decrees against the false secret of La Sallette. When Cardinal Ottaviani dissolved the Index of Forbidden Books, he made sure to state that even though the canonical penalties were gone, the moral force of the Index (being a judgment of the Magisterium of the Church) remained. There's no reason to claim the decree against La Sallete's false secret has been abrogated unless you believe in the "Spirit of Vatican II".
I've heard of St Nilus, he was the brother of St Frazier
All of that could be said about any time period.
It took me awhile, but I finally got it. That was a good one. LOL
but was it sarcasm?/ off
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Really? Did you even read the entire prophecy, and do so carefully? The following excerpts tell me that you are probably wrong.
People's appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist.
Since the Resurrection of Christ, has this ever happened on such a widespread scale as it has in Western society today?
Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society.
These happened during the excesses of Roman society. But what follows "seals the deal for me."
He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish.
Before the beginning of the 20th century (with the exception of the telephone), none of the above was accomplished technologically, and perfected.
I would like to see the source for the quote from Nilus, from which of his works. The use of year numbering and century numbers is troubling, since our calendar depends of the work of Dionysius Exiguus, whom I think, was later.
I checked the Catholic Encyclopedia, and Dionysius Exiguus, who did the calculations for the whole AD/BC paradigm, lived *after* St. Nilus of Sinai. So if St. Nilus wrote the prophecy, we can see that someone has at least "translated" the dates into our modern calendar.
St. Nilus is better known in the Eastern Church (my late pastor took Nilus as his name in religion). I would advise those enthusiastic about this prophecy to research the fifth century fathers .....
I hope Inside the Vatican hasn't fallen for a hoax.
You might be interested in the thread at Catholic Answers http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=15124
The following was sent recently to an official from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia:
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Many thanks for your reply. I also received some help from Fr. Ambrose in New Zealand - a priest of the Russian Archdiocese of Australia and New Zealand. He pointed me to an Orthodox forum at https://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/orthodox.html (YES: "https" !!!)
It was then a matter of searching the archives using the key words "st nilus" and prophecy.
There have been many very interesting posts there. It is my conviction that the alleged "prophecy" of St Nilus as set out in the website of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia (and serveral other Orthodox sites) is a forgery and emanates from some dissident/endtimer Catholic source within the past approx. 40 - 50 years.
That forged "prophecy" 1) quotes dates: a sure sign of fraudulence! 2) It normally (within "Catholic" circles!) attributes the quote to the St Nilus of the 5th Century - who "predicts" events for the early to middle 20th century. This is NOT logical - for the very reason that Calendars based on the Birth of Our Lord (AD) did not come into being until the time of Dionysius Exiguus who died about a century after St Nilus. Furthermore, "Bede, the eighth century English historian, began the practice of counting years backwards from AD" (cf. http://astro.nmsu.edu/~lhuber/leaphist.html)
So, while ALL of the Catholic and SOME Orthodox websites copy the "prophesy" - almost word for word - from the 5th century St Nilus - MOST of the Orthodox attribute either 1) the exact same wording, or 2) a differently worded and meaning prophecy from the 17th Century St Nilus (or Neilos or Nils) the Myrrhstreamer (or gusher) from Mt Athos.
NONE of the 5th Century promoters (Cathoric or Orthodox) give any attribution to an original work of the Saint where the "prophecy" can be verified.
NONE of the Orthodox promoters give an original Greek source for either the 5th or 17th century Saint. I have come across a portion of the "post-humous" prophecy of St Nilus the Myrrhgusher giving the reference "[22] St. Nilus, in Archimandrite Pantaleimon, A Ray of Light, Jordanville: Holy Trinity Monastery, 1976, p. 76" - as contained in
"Conclusion: The Eighth day" http://uk.geocities.com/guildfordian2002/Polemics/TheBookOfTheEndP4.htm
As you will see, it DOES speak of the "end times" - but it does not speak in terms of the unauthenticated "prophecy" on the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia. I do not know the position taken by the Orthodox on Private Revelation - but I would be surprised if Private Revelation was regarded as being authentic without being verified by some form of authority.
Another Orthodox site (Russian) attributes the "prophecy" as applying to "The year 1917 marked the beginning of the time of the end, the time of the Antichrist..." ("The Seal of the Antichrist in Soviet and Post-Soviet Russia" by Vladimir Moss. The URL is rather liong - but if you do a Google search on the title, you will be able to bring up the document.
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Dear Dimitri,
No worries. Pleasure to be of some help.
I found a particularly interesting post at the Orthodox Forum mentioned. It is shown to be from intrprtr@PRODIGY,NET. This poster is (apparently) very well known and respected - at least in the Russian Orthodox Church Abroard. His name is George Spruksts. (At least I "think" he is Russian Orthodox ???) In any event, he provides further information on the post-humous Prophecy of St Nilus the Myrrhstreamer - and attributes the contents of the Prophect to the 1917 events (and following) in Russia. It sounds more logical than the "other" version.
(read it at
https://listserv.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/wa-iub.exe?A2=ind0109D&L=orthodox&P=R13145&I=-3
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