Questions and Answers on Salvation

Catholic Family News ^ | first published in 1875 | Father Michael Muller, C.SS.R.

[bornacatholic]

Hey, Sinkspur, who do you think you are citing the Living Magisterium :)

Are you one of those stinking modernists who constantly kowtow to Rome and disobey eternal Rome? :)

[bornacatholic]

Hey, Sinkspur, who do you think you are citing the Living Magisterium :)

Are you one of those stinking modernists who constantly kowtow to Rome and disobey eternal Rome? :)

[bornacatholic]

Nope. THat would mean Jesus' promises were lies.

In other words, this cranky gentleman and his supporters are wrong

[Stubborn]

.......the real tragedy is when everyone believes everybody can attain salvation on their own terms -

I'm glad you feel comforted. Perhaps you can explain to me what you meant by the last half of your statement above?

Take this sort of reasoning, for example: A man says, "My religion, or an important part of it at least, is to respect your religion, regardless of what it is."
Or, "I hold that Christ is Divine. If you say He is not Divine, I have respect for your belief."
Do you not see that that is an awfully funny creed? I get into Heaven through Christ, and you get into Heaven without Christ. That is a strange division in a world in which we are meant to be one is it not?

[bornacatholic]

Catechism of the Council of Trent

On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

[bornacatholic]

Don't sweat it, Mar. This Mueller guys personal opinion is not Christian Doctrine - as can be easily seen from the Catholic Catechism. If it were, we'd hear him being referenced by those in union with Rome

[Stubborn]

bornacatholic,

In case you haven't noticed, Rome has been over-run with the enemy. As such, expect the enemy to contradict the teaching of the perennial magisterium at every opportunity while suppressing, twisting and belittling the authentic traditional teachings.

[Stubborn]

should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

Granted, it is possible, but is it probable for an unbaptized adult to even desire baptism much less repentance for their past sins thereby attining salvation when many of the holiest saints were terrified of death for fear of hell?

While it's possible, the odds are too great against it and the price too high.

[Stubborn]

I'd like to agree with you but, as you can see, thats not the case.

[chatham]

Thanks for the Ping.

Most of this was taught to me as a Boy in Catholic Schools.
Only lately have people in the Church said "ALL can be saved , even people outside the Church"

[bornacatholic]

LOL reduced to rejecting Trent also....

[TradicalRC]

Only lately have people in the Church said "ALL can be saved , even people outside the Church"

If it means that the possibilty exists for all men to believe that Christ is their savior, then I would agree with that statement. If however, anyone who calls themself a Christian believes that all are saved regardless, heed the words of Christ:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

And lest there's any confusion, St. Paul elucidates further:

Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

Simply put, one cannot claim to follow Christ and ignore what He said.

[Stubborn]

I am not rejecting Trent, however, you are twisting what they said, implying it to be all inclusive LOL

[Stubborn]

From The Catholic Catechism:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 (Cyprian) Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body

bornacatholic,

If "Outside the Church there is no salvation" can be defined as "Outside the Church there is salvation" when it is Re-formulated positively, can you agree that when it is not re-formulated at all, that it means what it says?

[AlbionGirl]

What does an all inclusive doctrine say about someone who would leave the Catholic Church for another denomination? Does that person retain the potential for salvation?

[Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...]

The verses you've selected remind me of this one from Matthew 7:21:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[Arguss]

"What does an all inclusive doctrine say about someone who would leave the Catholic Church for another denomination? Does that person retain the potential for salvation?"

CCC 846......Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

[housewife101]

Thanks for your post #50...

[Pio]

"26. What is the meaning of the word “heretic”? The word “heretic” is derived from the Greek, and means “a chooser.”

This sums it up nicely.

Word to Orthodox & Protestants....don't be fooled by modernist and liberal "Catholics". They're making stuff up and trying to cover up what the Roman Catholic Church has always taught. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Solis.

And no, "ecclesia" does not include Luther, Zwingli, Henry VIII, Benny Hinn, Billy Graham or the Dalai Lama.

Membership in the Church that Jesus started under Peter is necessary but not sufficient...so plenty of Catholics will see Hell, too.

[Pio]

,i>Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Sorry but I am cubicle bound and must get back to work. I wish I had more time but let me just say this - Acts 4:12 and many many other passages make it perfectly clear that only Christ can save, not the church, not the religion that one is born into, nothing else will do it.

By proffering your own interpretation...you've just appointed yourself as your own Magesterium and Pope.