Skip to comments.Anyone seen "What the Bleep Do We Know"?
Posted on 11/28/2004 9:27:58 PM PST by TBP
I'd love to hear your comments on the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know." I thought it was the most impressive movie I have seen in a very long time.
Has anyone seen it?
"What the Bleep" is a movie that deals with quantumm science, the power of thought to shape our experience, the scientific basis for the power of thought. It ries to explain the nature of reality, both scientifically and theoretically. It is about "how the quantum world invites spiritual and mystical interpretations of reality." "What the Bleep Do We Know!?" talks about the science of possibilities in terms of creating your own reality.
The movie has sold $7.4 million in tickets and its rollout is limited. It seems to be a sleepr hit.
What do you think of this movie? I loved it -- it provided a scientific basis for much that I have always believed. It looks like the cutting edge of 21st century science is where the mystics have always been and what many religious leaders have been preaching for about a century. Science and spirituality meet in this wonderful film.
I haven't seen the movie, but before I see a movie usually I check first with IMDb. From the discussions in the movie's board, I found that the movie was basically a promotion of certain new-age idea. The following is from the movie website.
Ramtha. One of the great enigmas that scientists have studied in the last decade is Ramtha, a mystic, philosopher, master teacher and hierophant. His partnership with American woman JZ Knight, his channel, still baffles scholars. Results of their studies point to a decidedly non-local phenomenon and were presented at a conference titled "In Search of the Self The Role of Consciousness in the Construction of Reality" on February 8 and 9, 1997. At this gathering scholars from faculties of Quantum Physics, Parapsychology, Anthropology, Sociology and Theology who had studied Knight for two years, presented their findings.
Using a sophisticated polygraph, noted parapsychologists Ian Wickramasekera and Stanley Krippner of Saybrook Graduate School repeatedly observed that while JZ Knight is channeling Ramtha, the readings of her brain-wave activity shift to delta, and that the lower cerebellum operates her body which talks, walks, eats, drinks and dances while Ramtha teaches about the mystery of mind over matter.
Through a coherent system of thought that unifies scientific knowledge with esoteric knowledge of spirit, his students study biology, neurophysiology, neurochemistry and quantum physics. Like Bohm he declares that consciousness is the ground of all being. In his own lifetime 35,000 years ago he learned to separate his consciousness from his body, raise its frequency and eventually take it with him. He has been one of the few human beings to become an eyewitness to the seen, and, the unseen.
haven't seen it so I probably shouldnt comment , but lack of real knowledge has never stopped me before. It was just an ad for some new age cult ramath (???I think, I don't know).
The "scientists" in the movie were not really real scientists. one was a massage therapist , or something else along those lines.
It looks interesting; QM does seem to imply an interaction between subatomic particles and the conscious mind, though some secularists have theories that try to complexedly work around it in Aristotlean fashion.
URL for the movie is http://www.whatthebleep.com/
Stick to good science, and don't patronize films that make a mockery of reason and the scientific method.
Have you seen this movie?
And would you consider QM to be quackery?
Admonishing people to stick to 'good' science is at best ambiguous given the many perspectives people have on the subject.
I would say that ID is good science, but many regard it as another variant on Creationism (though hundreds of scientists have signed statements asserting otherwise).
I dont equate this movie with ID or Creationism or QM, but I think I will try and find out more about it before pronouncing it to be quakery.
IF you know something you could share of a factual nature, please do so.
Here are those scientists:
William Tiller, Ph.D.
John Hagelin, Ph.D.
Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.
Dr. David Albert
Stuart Hameroff M.D.
Dr. Jeffrey Satinover
Andrew B. Newberg, M.D.
Dr. Daniel Monti
Dr. Joseph Dispenza
Dr. Candace Pert
William Tiller, Ph.D. (www.tiller.org) graduated with a B.A.Sc. in 1952 with a degree in Engineering Physics from the University of Toronto. He also has an M.A.Sc. and a Ph.D. from the University of Toronto. He worked for nine years in the Westinghouse Research Laboratory with theoretical and experimental investigation into the detailed physics of the freezing process of a wide range of materials; i. e., water, metals, semiconductors, oxides and polymers. He also investigated the relationships between the crystallization process and the detailed structure and properties of the solid. He exploited this knowledge of crystallization to generate new processes for ingot casting, material purification, single crystal growth, chemical crystallizers, etc.
Dr. Tiller has been a professor at Stanford University in the Department of materials science and Engineering. He has been a consultant to government and industry in the fields of metallurgy and solid-state physics and formerly Associate Editor of 2 scientific journals. He has published more than 250 scientific papers, three technical books and has five patents issued. His fields of specialization are crystal growth, surfaces and interfaces, physical metallurgy, semiconductor processing, thin film formation, computer simulation and psychoenergetics (70 additional publications in this area). He is also the founding director of the Academy of Parapsychology and Medicine and The Institute of Noetic Sciences.
His Publications include An Introduction to Computer Simulation: The Science of Crystallization: Microscopic Interfacial Phenomena, The Science of Crystallization: Macroscopic Phenomena and Defect Generation, Science and Human Transformation, and Conscious Acts of Creation.
Amit Goswami earned his Ph.D. from Calcutta University in theoretical nuclear physics in 1964 and has been a professor of physics at the University of Oregon since 1968. He taught physics for 32 years in this country, mostly at Oregon. Goswami is a senior scholar in residence at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and teaches regularly at the Holmes Institute in L.A.; UNIPAZ in Brazil; and The Theosophical Society in Wheaton, Illinois.
He also wrote a textbook on Quantum Mechanics that is well regarded and used. He is the author of five books, including The Self-Aware Universe, Quantum Creativity, Physics of the Soul, and The Visionary Window.
Now, while I think Hagelin's ideas on public policy (in which he calims to be an expert) are silly, one can't doubt his scintific credentials.
John Hagelin, Ph.D. (www.hagelin.org) is a world-renowned quantum physicist, educator, author, and public policy expert. Dr. Hagelin has conducted pioneering research at CERN (the European Center for Particle Physics) and SLAC (the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center) and is responsible for the development of a highly successful grand unified field theory based on the Superstring. In his book, Manual for a Perfect Government, Dr. Hagelin shows how, through educational programs that develop human consciousness, and through policies and programs that effectively harness the laws of nature, it is possible to solve acute social problems and enhance governmental effectiveness.
In recognition of his outstanding achievements, Dr. Hagelin was named winner of the prestigious Kilby Award, which recognizes scientists who have made "major contributions to society through their applied research in the fields of science and technology." The award recognized Dr. Hagelin as "a scientist in the tradition of Einstein, Jeans, Bohr and Eddington."
Dr. Hagelin holds an A.B. summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and an M.A. and Ph.D. from Harvard University. He is currently Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy at Maharishi University of Management, and Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace. He was also the Natural Law Party presidential candidate in 2000.
I found this next guy particularly intersting:
Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D. (www.fredalanwolf.com) is a physicist, writer, and lecturer who earned his Ph.D. in theoretical physics at UCLA in 1963. His work in quantum physics and consciousness is well known through his popular and scientific writing. He is the author of eleven books.
Dr. Wolf's fascination with the world of physics began one afternoon as a child at a local matinee, when the newsreel revealed the awesome power and might of the world's first atomic explosion. This fascination continued, leading Wolf to study mathematics and physics. After he received his Ph.D. he began researching the field of high atmospheric particle behavior following a nuclear explosion and worked on Projection Orion-a nuclear propulsion scheme designed for deep space exploration. Wolf's inquiring mind has delved into the relationship between human consciousness, psychology, physiology, the mystical, and the spiritual. His investigations have taken him from intimate discussions with physicist David Bohm to the magical and mysterious jungles of Peru, from master classes with Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman to the high deserts of Mexico, from a significant meeting with Werner Heisenberg to the hot coals of a fire walk.
In academia, Dr. Wolf has challenged minds at San Diego State University, the University of Paris, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the University of London, Birkbeck College, and many other institutions of higher learning. Wolf is best known for his contributions through technical papers and popular books, but he is frequently in demand as a lecturer, keynote speaker, and consultant to industry and the media.
Wolf is well known for his simplification of the new physics and is perhaps best known as the author of Taking the Quantum Leap, which, in 1982, was the recipient of the prestigious National Book Award for Science. Dr. Wolf's books have been translated into Spanish, Portuguese, German, Italian, Chinese, Korean, Dutch, and Japanese.
Former professor of physics at San Diego State University for twelve years, Dr. Wolf lectures, researches, and teaches worldwide. Dr. Wolf has also appeared as the resident physicist on The Discovery Channel's The Know Zone and on many radio talk shows and television shows across the United States and abroad. He is an honored member of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Collegium of Scholars and has taught courses at the Philosophical Research Society and the Holmes Institute. He is an Assessing Editor for the Journal of Mind and Behavior.
Dr. David Albert, Professor and Director of Philosophical Foundations of Physics, Columbia University, specializes in Philosophical Problems of Quantum Mechanics, Philosophy of Space and Time and Philosophy of Science.
Professor Albert is the author of Quantum Mechanics and Experience and Time and Chance, and has published many articles on quantum mechanics, mostly in the Physical Review.
Stuart Hameroff M.D. (www.quantumconsciousness.org) is a Professor in the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona in Tucson, Arizona. He is an attending anesthesiologist at University of Arizona Medical Center, spending 4 days per week in the surgical operating rooms. In the 1970s and 1980s he studied the molecular mechanisms of anesthetic gases, and computation in protein cytoskeletal structures microtubules that organize interiors of the brains neurons and other cells.
In Dr. Hameroffs words: In the early 1990's the study of consciousness became increasingly popular and I was strongly influenced by Roger Penrose's The Emperor's New Mind (and later Shadows of the Mind, Oxford Press, 1989 and 1994). Quite famous for his work in relativity, black holes, and quantum mechanics, Roger had turned to the problem of consciousness and concluded the mind was more than complex computation. Something else was necessary, and that something, he suggested, was a particular type of quantum computation he was proposing ('objective reduction' - a self-collapse of the quantum wave function due to quantum gravity). He was linking consciousness to a basic process in underlying space-time geometry - reality itself!
It seemed fascinating and plausible to me, but Roger didn't have a good candidate for a biological site for his proposed process. I thought, could microtubules be quantum computers? I wrote to him, and we soon met in his office in Oxford in September 1992. Roger was struck by the mathematical symmetry and beauty of the microtubule lattice and thought it was the optimal candidate for his proposed mechanism. Over the next few years we began to develop a model for consciousness involving Roger's objective reduction occurring in microtubules within the brain's neurons.
Dr. Hameroffs publications include 150 peer reviewed papers including three co-authored with Roger Penrose and 5 books including: Toward a Science of Consciousness I-III (MIT Press 1996, 1998, 1999), and Ultimate Computing Biomolecular Consciousness and Nanotechnology, (Elsevier-North Holland 1987.)
Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. (psychiatry), (www.satinover.com) M.S. (physics, doctoral candidate in physics). For over twenty years, Dr. Satinover has been an author and practicing psychiatrist. He was until recently a teaching fellow and doctoral student in the department of physics at Yale University, where he has completed a master?s degree as a member of the Theoretical Condensed Matter Physics group and Yale's newly-established W. H. Keck Foundation Center for Quantum Information Physics. His area of research is in supersymmetric many-body theory as applied to quantum computation. His most recent book, The Quantum Brain, explores the interface of neuroscience, computation, artificial intelligence and quantum mechanics. He is presently completing his doctorate in physics at the Laboratoire de Physique de la Matiere Condensee at the University of Nice, Sophia Antipolis, under the direction of Didier Sornette, pursuing new techniques in the prediction of chaotic time series, with applications to biological systems, climate change and markets.
Dr. Satinover is past president of the C.G. Jung Foundation of New York, a former Fellow in Psychiatry and Child Psychiatry at Yale University and William James Lecturer in Psychology and Religion at Harvard University. He is the author of the chapter on Jungian psychotherapy in the just-released Encyclopedia of Psychotherapy (Academic Press). He speaks widely on matters of public and educational policy and also on the interface of science and religion. He is one of three co-authors of a program of rigorous educational reforms that were adopted by the San Diego Independent School District, the nation's sixth largest. He has been asked on a number of occasions to consult to Congress and to prepare Supreme Court amici briefs. From time to time his talks are broadcast on C-Span. He served in the United States Army National Guard as a combat helicopter Flight Surgeon for the State of Connecticut and later as an Army Reserve psychiatrist.
Dr. Satinover also designs market-neutral trading strategies for hedge funds that integrate statistical and adaptive (i.e., neural network, genetic algorithm and evolutionary programming) methods with extremely rigorous data collection, error-trapping and analysis.
Dr. Satinover has written five books that have been translated into nine languages worldwide. George Gilder, best-selling author and publisher of the Gilder Technology Report says that "The Quantum Brain is the first great book of the 21st century-and the first definitively 21st century book? A heroic and historic new vision that will be read with admiration and amazement in centuries to come?a promethean work." Jack Tuzsynski, Professor of Theoretical Condensed Matter Physics at the University of Alberta has hailed it as, "A great feat ... Like no other book I know. The Quantum Brain... set[s] new standards for popular science writing. A tapestry of insights from ... mathematics, computer science, ...quantum physics, cell biology and more. Even the most active players in the fields of artificial intelligence or neurophysiology will find new information in this book."
Andrew B. Newberg M.D. is currently an Assistant Professor in the Department of Radiology at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and is a staff physician in Nuclear Medicine. He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine in 1993. His research, which has been performed in collaboration with the Departments of Neurology and Psychiatry, has focused not only on specific disorders, but also on various activation studies designed to explore how brain function is associated with various mental states.
He has published numerous articles and chapters on the topics of brain function and neuroimaging and has presented his research at both national and international meetings. He is Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Nuclear Medicine, and Nuclear Cardiology.
Dr. Newberg has been particularly involved in the study of mystical and religious experiences as well as the more general mind/body relationship in both the clinical and research aspects of his career. Much of his research has focused on the relationship between brain function and various mystical and religious experiences. His research also includes understanding the physiological correlates of acupuncture therapy, meditation, and other types of alternative therapies.
He has presented his work at scientific and religious meetings throughout the world and has appeared on Good Morning America, ABC World News Tonight as well as in a number of media articles including Newsweek, the New Scientist and the National Catholic Reporter.
He was an associate director of the Neuroscience Section for the consensus conference on Scientific Research on Spirituality and Health sponsored by the National Institute of Healthcare Research and was a member of the advisory board for the American Association for the Advancement of Science Program on Science and Religion.
He has also co-authored two books entitled, Why God Wont Go Away: Brain Scienc e and the Biology of Belief and The Mystical Mind: Probing the Biology of Belief, that explore the relationship between neuroscience and spiritual experience. The latter book received the 2000 award for Outstanding Books in Theology and the Natural Sciences presented by the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences.
Dr. Daniel Monti M.D. received his Doctor of Medicine, summa cum laude, from The State University of New York at Buffalo School of Medicine in 1992. His Postdoctoral work was in the Research Scholars Program, Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior, at Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, PA. He is currently Chief of Complementary Medicine, Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior, Jefferson Medical College and Director of the Mind-Body Medicine for the Myrna Brind Jefferson Center for Integrative Medicine, Thomas Jefferson University.
Dr. Monti?s research has covered a broad range of topics and include grants in: Mindfulness-Based Art Therapy for Cancer Patients, Alternative Therapies in Disease, and Muscle Test Responses to Semantic Statements. His research into mind/body healing has earned him: NeuroEmotional Technique Doctor of the Year Award, and Tree of Life Award (for "contributions to the Wellness of the Community at Large") presented at the "Wellness of You" Lecture Series, Philadelphia, PA.
He recently completed two studies with cancer patients. First, he just completed a two year clinical trial on the effects of an intervention he and his team developed for cancer patients that incorporates mindfulness meditation skills combined with creative artistic expression. The results showed that the eight-week intervention dramatically reduced-stress related medical symptoms and significantly improved quality of life. The results are currently being prepared for publication in a medical journal. This study was funded by the National Institute of Health (NIH). Secondly, he has begun studies on a mind-body-energy intervention called Neuro-Emotional Technique (NET) with traumatized cancer patients. The preliminary data is shows that the patients who receive the NET intervention have decreased distress and improved immune systems.
Dr. Monti is currently writing a scientifically based book for the lay audience on how mind, body, and the energetic systems are part of an intricate network that constitutes our physical and mental health. The book will focus on strategies for identifying and resolving blocks to having a successful, healthful life. The book is expected to be released in 2005.
Dr. Joseph Dispenza (click to email ) received his undergraduate training at Rutgers University where he majored in biochemistry. He received his Doctor of Chiropractic Degree at Life University. His continuing education has been in neurology, neurophysiology and brain function.
His research has been into unraveling the mysteries of miraculous healing within the context of currently accepted science. For the past three years he has traveled the world lecturing on the close relationship between brain chemistry and physical health. His forthcoming book is on the subject of genetics, molecules of emotion, neuroscience brain anatomy and physiology.
Dr. Candace Pert (web site) was a graduate student in her mid-twenties when she discovered the opiate receptor, the cellular bonding site for endorphins, the body's natural painkillers, which she calls our "underlying mechanism for bliss and bonding." This breakthrough presaged a sea change in scientific understanding of human internal communication systems, pointing the way toward the information-based model that is now supplanting the long-dominant structuralist viewpoint.
In the years since, Candace Pert has focused her research on developing non-toxic pharmaceuticals that selectively block receptor sites for the AIDS virus. She has also pursued the threateningly interdisciplinary relationship between the nervous and immune systems, developing documentation of a body-wide communication system mediated by peptide molecules and their receptors, which she perceives to be the biochemical basis of emotion and the potential key to many of the most challenging diseases of our time.
Dr. Pert was awarded her Ph.D. in pharmacology, with distinction, in 1974, from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Dr. Pert conducted a National Institutes of Health (NIH) Postdoctoral Fellowship with the Department of Pharmacology at Johns Hopkins from 1974-1975. After 1975, she held a variety of research positions with the National Institutes of Health, and until 1987, served as Chief of the Section on Brain Biochemistry of the Clinical Neuroscience Branch of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).
Dr. Pert is an internationally recognized pharmacologist who has published over 250 scientific articles on peptides and their receptors and the role of these neuropeptides in the immune system. She has an international reputation in the field of neuropeptide and receptor pharmacology, and chemical neuroanatomy. She has lectured worldwide on these and other subjects, including her theories on emotions and mind-body communication. Dr. Pert holds a number of patents for modified peptides in the treatment of psoriasis, Alzheimer's disease, chronic fatigue syndrome, stroke, and head trauma. One of these, Peptide T, is currently in a Phase II trial in San Francisco for the treatment of AIDS and neuroAIDS.
Her best-selling book, Molecules of Emotion is noteworthy both as an insider's history of the changing scientific paradigm and as one woman's journey of growth and understanding.
They sound like "real scientists" to me!
Clearly, it supports conclusions he doesn't want to accept, so it MUST be bad science.
Okay but which one of those was the psychic JZ Knight, who channels a 35,000-year-old mystical sage from the lost continent of Atlantis??? and if a 35,000 year old atlantian has a degree does that make the person channeling him a scientist also????
From what I heard the movie is a fraud so I have no desire to see it.
William Tiller, Ph.D.
John Hagelin, Ph.D.
Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.
Dr. David Albert
Stuart Hameroff M.D.
Dr. Jeffrey Satinover
Andrew B. Newberg, M.D.
Dr. Daniel Monti
Dr. Joseph Dispenza
Dr. Candace Pert
And you asked which of these is JZ Knight?
Maybe you should read more carefully.
I have not seen the movie, but I am aware that QM has some things that are definately non-intuitive like retrocausailty, indeterminism, and states that are dependent on observation.
Many have considered QM to be opening the door to a nonmaterialistic view of the universe.
None of those people is J.Z. Knight. She also appears in the movie, as does a Church of England theologian. The producers sought (and got) a wide range of perspectives.
So you "heard" that teh movie is "a fraud." From whom?
I haven't seen the film either but since I know a Psychic is used as an expert I think I'll pass (though the film may be entertaining enough, I just wouldn't take it too serious)
I despair for this country, sometimes. Anyone who can't instantly reject any film with JZ Knight (or any other fraudulent "psychic") in a starring role hasn't got the reasoning power to resist Islam, either. It doesn't matter who the scientists are - if they have something important to say they can say it in peer-reviewed journals, not by sharing the screen with fortune-tellers and mystics.
I am reminded of "davinci code" when the book came out I said to myself "no one will believe this crud" and then you actually meet people who do. Not that raising questions about that sorta thing is bad, but to believe such tripe is just silly.
Also some of those "scientists" have come out and have said that what they said in the movie is competely out of context.
I mean this movie is just to goofy, everyone knows we are controlled by super intelligent Lizard Men from beyond reality.