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Pennsylvania bishop suppresses local traditionalist priestly society
Catholic Online ^ | December 1, 2004

Posted on 12/02/2004 8:30:46 AM PST by NYer

SCRANTON, Pa. (CNS) -- Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton has decreed the suppression of the Society of St. John, citing its financial instability, its failure to follow church law and the scandal caused by allegations of sexual molestation of minors by two of its founders.

The society has caused "grievous financial burdens for the diocese" that could amount to several million dollars, he said.

Priests who had left a schismatic traditionalist organization, the Society of St. Pius X, to return to the Catholic Church, established the Society of St. John in 1998. They received canonical authorization for the society as a public clerical association from now-retired Bishop James C. Timlin, Bishop Martino's predecessor in Scranton.

Like the schismatic group, the Society of St. John is devoted to celebrating the Mass in Latin according to the Tridentine rite, as it was celebrated throughout the Latin Church before the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

In 2002 Bishop Timlin suspended Fathers Carlos Urrutigoity and Eric Ensey from priestly ministry following an allegation that both sexually molested a student at St. Gregory's Academy in Moscow, Pa., where the priests lived before they obtained a property in Shohola. Father Urrutigoity was founding superior general of the society and Father Ensey was the chancellor.

The student and his parents filed a lawsuit in 2002 over the alleged abuse. They named as defendants the two priests, their society, Bishop Timlin, the diocese, the academy and the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, which runs the academy.

Additional court documents filed in that lawsuit this year included depositions by three other former students testifying that Father Urrutigoity sexually fondled them or slept with them when they were minors.

In his decree, dated Nov. 19 and published Nov. 25 in the diocesan newspaper, The Catholic Light, Bishop Martino said the society was being suppressed for several reasons.

"Six years after its erection the society has shown no progress in attaining its stated purposes. It is principally a debt-servicing operation and can be seen continuing as such for many years to come," he said.

He said the allegations of sexual misconduct "have caused a public scandal." Even if those claims are not true, there were actions by members of the society that "have given rise to the allegations and the resultant scandal," he said.

Explaining diocesan financial burdens created by "past financial decisions and conduct on the part of the society," Bishop Martino said, "The burdens include the diocese being named in a civil suit for over $1 million and the need for the diocese to secure a $2.6 million loan in August 2003 because of the society's indebtedness."

On failure to follow church law, he said, "The Society of St. John has repeatedly refused to cooperate with the bishop of Scranton in the fulfillment of Canon 319, Para. 1 and Para. 2." Those provisions of church law say that any public association canonically erected by a diocesan bishop must administer its goods under the direction of the bishop, give him an annual accounting of its administration, and give him "a faithful account of the expenditure of the offerings and alms which it has collected."

"As a result (of the society's failure to provide such accounting) the bishop of Scranton is at risk of being charged with failure to supervise if donors to the society judge that they have been deceived," Bishop Martino said.

A separate lawsuit filed against the society in 2002 alleges that it has raised more than $5 million from donors. The suit was filed by the corporation formed in 2000 to establish a Catholic liberal arts college under society auspices, a project the society subsequently abandoned.

The suit claims that although the society represented to donors that part of their contributions would go to building the college, little money was directed to that project. It seeks to collect for the college at least one-third of all funds raised by the society.

The lawsuit holds the diocese liable for the society's actions, saying the society acted as an agent of the diocese.

The Times Leader, Scranton's daily newspaper, reported last month that Father Ensey filed a Chapter 13 personal bankruptcy petition Aug. 8 at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilkes-Barre.

Citing the lawsuit against the diocese, diocesan spokeswoman Maria Orzel declined to answer any questions from Catholic News Service about the suppression decree, including questions about how the diocese will deal with the priests and seminarians of the suppressed society.

Since the society was not a religious order but only a public clerical association under the diocese, the priests are all Scranton diocesan priests.

In addition to Fathers Urrutigoity and Ensey, the society's Web site lists four other priests and eight seminarians or novices as members.

Three of the other priests were formerly with the Society of St. Pius X, which was founded by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre after he broke with Rome over liturgical reforms and the teachings of Vatican II. Two were seminarians under Father Urrutigoity when he taught at St. Pius X Seminary in Winona, Minn., and a third was a fellow professor at that seminary.

A large portion of the society's Web site is devoted to plans to establish a "city of the Society of St. John" in Pennsylvania -- a planned Catholic community of about 2,000 people with religious, educational, commercial, office and residential sectors. The plan calls for the entire town to be built within a 1,000-foot radius of the central church and plaza.



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Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton has decreed the suppression of the Society of St. John, citing its financial instability, its failure to follow church law and the scandal caused by allegations of sexual molestation of minors by two of its founders.
1 posted on 12/02/2004 8:30:46 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/02/2004 8:31:54 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer

If "financial instability, failure to follow church law and the scandal caused by allegations of sexual molestation of minors" is the standard, when are they going to suppress the entite Novus Ordo gang?


3 posted on 12/02/2004 8:36:41 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("All of God's children have a uvula.")
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To: All
In 2002 Bishop Timlin suspended Fathers Carlos Urrutigoity and Eric Ensey from priestly ministry following an allegation that both sexually molested a student at St. Gregory's Academy in Moscow, Pa., where the priests lived before they obtained a property in Shohola. Father Urrutigoity was founding superior general of the society and Father Ensey was the chancellor.


Rev. Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity
Superior General


Rev. Fr. Eric Ensey
Chancellor General

4 posted on 12/02/2004 9:01:40 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer

It only has to do with the allegations of sexual misconduct, the financial instability is due to the civil liability as I read this article.

Has nothing to do with Latin Mass.


5 posted on 12/02/2004 9:27:59 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: NYer

Chronology

Date Who
What
1987-88 SSPX Argentina Accusations of sexual misconduct by Fr. Urrutigoity in the wake of his departure from the seminary of the SSPX in La Reja, Argentina. Despite these accusations, Fr. Urrutigoity is accepted into the seminary of the SSPX in the USA.
May 1997 SSPX USA Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity, along with another priest and 2 seminarians are expelled from the seminary of the SSPX in the USA. Six other seminarians soon leave as well. We are told that the reason for the expulsion is that they were planning to found a new religious order.
1997 Diocese of Scranton The former priests and seminarians of the SSPX find refuge in the Diocese of Scranton PA, where the Fraternity of St. Peter has its North American HQ. Bishop Timlin of the Diocese of Scranton accepts them without doing background checks.
1998 Diocese of Scranton Accusations of sexual misconduct by Fr. Urrutigoity in the wake of his departure from the seminary of the SSPX in Winona, MN. After a diocesan inquiry is held, Bishop Timlin of the Diocese of Scranton decides that there is insufficient evidence, despite a letter of condemnation from Bishop Fellay of the SSPX.
1998 Institute of Christ the King Fr. Marshall Roberts is expelled from the seminary of the Institute of Christ the King because of accusations of sexual misconduct. He finds refuge in the SSJ.
March 1998 St. Gregory's Academy, FSSP The police are called in by Fr. Paul Carr of the FSSP (Fraternity of St. Peter) after it is discoverd that the priests of the SSJ have served alcohol to minors (boys).
Aug-Oct 2001 Dr. Bond of St. Justin Martyr College Dr. Bond, HeadMaster of St. Justin Martyr College, which is affiliated with the SSJ, learns of the sexual misconduct of Fr. Urrutigoity. Dr. Bond then begins a series of discussions with Bishop Timlin, and with the SSJ. Bishop Timlin refuses to suspend any of the SSJ priests, despite evidence of wrongdoing. The SSJ refuses to admit there is a problem.
Oct 14, 2001 Dr. Bond of St. Justin Martyr College Dr. Bond decides that St. Justin Martyr College must separate from the SSJ.
Nov 19, 2001 Dr. Bond of St. Justin Martyr College Dr. Bond sends letters to Apostolic Nuncio for USA and to Cardinal Hoyos, Prefect for the Clergy, telling them about the sexual misconduct of Fr. Urrutigoity. 
Nov 21, 2001 Fr. Urrutigoity Fr. Urrutigoity threatens Dr. Bond with libel.
Dec 8, 2001 Dr. Bond of St. Justin Martyr College Sexual misconduct by Fr. Eric Ensey becomes known. Dr. Bond issues a public notice to concerned Catholics.
Jan 12, 2002 Diocese of Scranton The Diocese of Scranton receives a letter of complaint from one of those molested by Fr. Urrutigoity.
Jan 15, 2002 Roman Catholic Faithful (organization) Press Release, asking for suspension of Fr. Urrutigoity and any other priests involved in sexual misconduct, for resignation of Bishop Timlin, for criminal investigation.
Jan 25, 2002 Diocese of Scranton Bishop Timlin transfers Frs. Urrutigoity and Ensey elsewhere in the Diocese of Scranton, but does not suspend them.
Jan 26, 2002 Times Leader (paper) News of the scandal hits the secular press.
Feb 6, 2002 Dr. Bond of St. Justin Martyr College Fr. Marshall Roberts becomes a third suspected sexual offender.
Feb 27, 2002 Scranton Times-Tribune (paper) The DA's office of Lackawanna County, PA, launches an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct by members of the SSJ.
Mar 20, 2002 National Review Online (paper) A former student of St. Gregory's Academy launches a $1 million lawsuit against the SSJ, FSSP and Diocese of Scranton.
Mar 28, 2002 St. Justin Martyr College Fr. Richard Munkelt, formerly with the SSJ, comes forward with further insights into the scandal.

6 posted on 12/02/2004 10:29:54 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: NYer

The SSJ priests were kicked out of SSPX for homosexual behavior as well as other reasons. The diocesan bishop took them in. Bishop Fellay wrote to the bishop warning him. The bishop did not pay attention.

Bishop Fellay is a wise man who sees with great clarity. More people should listen to him.


7 posted on 12/02/2004 10:31:25 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah ((www.stopthreadnannies.com))
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

See the chronology I posted above, specifically the area in bold, for a slight correction of your otherwise correct claims.


8 posted on 12/02/2004 10:33:36 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Your chronology is faulty.

The priests were transferred from Argentina for several reasons. The sexual allegations were unable to be proven so they were removed from the environment. Once in the US the charges became verifiable and they were expelled.


9 posted on 12/02/2004 10:37:07 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah ((www.stopthreadnannies.com))
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Feb 27, 2002 Scranton Times-Tribune (paper) The DA's office of Lackawanna County, PA, launches an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct by members of the SSJ.

Any idea how that investigation was concluded?

10 posted on 12/02/2004 11:04:26 AM PST by siunevada
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

That sounds like the usual USCCB spin.


11 posted on 12/02/2004 11:13:04 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

It is really sad how much your hate blinds you to the truth.


12 posted on 12/02/2004 12:32:04 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah ((www.stopthreadnannies.com))
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Maximilian; NYer
If you only knew how silly such a statement as yours is...amazing how quick you are to label others as blind haters when you know nothing about them whatsoever.

I'm simply pointing out that NO Catholic institution, be it the USCCB or the SSPX, is immune to imprudent decisions, if not outright malfeasance, in its corporate pride.

I saw someone say here recently that traditional Catholicism only exists within the Levefevre movement. What collossal arrogance.

Traditional Catholicism does NOT "subsist" in the Lefevre movement.

Yes, Lefevre's acts of disobedience, ironically, helped preserve the Tridentine Liturgy.

But Luther's disobedience precipiated the Counter Reformation.

And neither will ever be a canonized Catholic saint, for the same reason: disobedience.

13 posted on 12/02/2004 2:14:09 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; Canticle_of_Deborah

http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/December1-1997.htm

Here is a report from the time. There doesn't appear to be anything about abuse.

Q: What happened in the Seminary last Spring?

A: A talented but proud young Argentinian priest [Carlos Urrutigoity] who had been a Seminary professor at Winona for three and a half years, decided that the moment had come to break with the Society of St. Pius X and form his own society, starting with one fellow professor and two seminarians who walked out with him.

Q: But did this priest walk out, or was he told to leave?

A: As soon as it became clear that he had for some time, from within the Seminary, been secretly planning his own society, he was told to report in short order to the Superior General in Switzerland. When he refused, he was told within 24 hours to leave the Seminary which he had been subverting from within by his intention — ingenuously disavowed — to take with him as many Society priests and seminarians as possible.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 2:19:28 PM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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To: gbcdoj

There is more to the story than the letter indicates on the website.


15 posted on 12/02/2004 2:24:06 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah ((www.stopthreadnannies.com))
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Despite these accusations, Fr. Urrutigoity is accepted into the seminary of the SSPX in the USA.

YES INDEED, HE MOST CERTAINLY WAS!!!

16 posted on 12/02/2004 2:31:44 PM PST by Viva Christo Rey
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I think you should take into account that Timlin was probably suspicious of the claim of abuse leveled by Fellay (in 1999, about two years after Urrutigoity had gone to Scranton and affiliated with the diocese) because the Society publicly kicked him out for a different reason. Timlin did order an investigation and it found no proof against Urrutigoity. (source)
Bishop Williamson then told me that he never saw any evidence of Urrutigoity's homosexuality while Urrutigoity was a seminarian, priest, or professor at Winona. Bishop Williamson said that Fr. Urrutigoity was eventually expelled from the seminary in Winona not for homosexuality, but for subversive activities, namely, the secret planning of the Society of St. John in concert with others ... Bishop Williamson also told me that he had accompanied this young seminarian when he gave testimony against Fr. Urrutigoity at a Diocese of Scranton inquiry in July 1999. The inquiry was held at the request of Bishop James Timlin of Scranton who sent his auxiliary bishop, John Dougherty, along with another diocesan priest and an attorney, to hear this young seminarian's testimony. Bishop Bernard Fellay of the SSPX had set this whole process in motion when he formally accused Fr. Urrutigoity in a letter to Bishop Timlin dated February 11, 1999. (Jeffrey Bond, Letter)

17 posted on 12/02/2004 2:36:24 PM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
I'm simply pointing out that NO Catholic institution, be it the USCCB or the SSPX, is immune to imprudent decisions, if not outright malfeasance, in its corporate pride.

That isn't the point. Of course no one is immune. But we're talking about one particular case here. And in this particular case, there is a clear and dramatic contrast. The accused priest was kicked out of 2 SSPX seminaries. And most importantly, there was no cover up. The SSPX was forthright about having kicked him out and took the trouble to warn Bishop Timlin against him. If only Cardinal Law had taken similar actions. But this same priest who was kicked out of the SSPX seminary was taken in by the Diocese of Scranton.

So while no one is immune, we need to look at the facts of this particular situation. And the facts tell a clear story, despite your attempt to create a false impression through selective highlighting. Anyone who reads that timeline that you posted gets a clear message about who can be trusted to do the right thing and who can not.

And while you try to make a big deal about the fact that he was kicked out of 2 different SSPX seminaries, you seem to overlook what happened in Scranton. Have you seen any of the emails from Prof. Bond? He makes it very very clear just what he thinks about the administration of the Diocese of Scranton. I can't even repeat what he has to say.

To attack the SSPX who did the right thing, while ignoring the culpability of those who did the wrong thing is a clear case of "taking the speck out of your brother's eye when you have a beam in your own."

18 posted on 12/02/2004 2:39:03 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: gbcdoj

Whatever the post scandal spin is, Bishop Fellay has been proven correct. The group was homosexual as he stated with predictable results. My understanding is that he himself sent a letter to the bishop which was disregarded.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 2:40:54 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah ((www.stopthreadnannies.com))
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To: gbcdoj
I think you should take into account that Timlin was probably suspicious of the claim of abuse leveled by Fellay (in 1999, about two years after Urrutigoity had gone to Scranton and affiliated with the diocese) because the Society publicly kicked him out for a different reason. Timlin did order an investigation and it found no proof against Urrutigoity.

These are points that should be considered in making a prudential decision. But ultimately when all is said and done, the SSPX did the right thing and the diocese of Scranton did the wrong thing, whatever their reasons were.

20 posted on 12/02/2004 2:41:32 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Who is attacking the SSPX? I made several innocuous posts, because this scandal was known to have involved the SSPX, and I get lambasted.

Thankfully I ended up in Byzantium, not Lefevredom. Too much casting aspersions and ascribing motives among your gang if you ask me.

21 posted on 12/02/2004 3:31:48 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: Maximilian
when all is said and done, the SSPX did the right thing and the diocese of Scranton did the wrong thing, whatever their reasons were.

The SSPX got darn close to doing the right thing, but they too made a prudential error. However, I agree that overall the SSPX has a stellar record in this regard while the USCCB's record is dismal, if not downright evil.

1987-88 SSPX: Argentina Accusations of sexual misconduct by Fr. Urrutigoity in the wake of his departure from the seminary of the SSPX in La Reja, Argentina. Despite these accusations, Fr. Urrutigoity is accepted into the seminary of the SSPX in the USA.

May 1997 SSPX USA Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity, along with another priest and 2 seminarians are expelled from the seminary of the SSPX in the USA.

Simple question: why did it take the SSPX 10 years to get rid of him, knowing his record at their own seminary in Argentina?

Until I get a reasonable explanation on this, I cannot grant you that the SSPX did the right thing.

22 posted on 12/02/2004 3:38:29 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Dear St. Johann Tetzel,

"Until I get a reasonable explanation on this, I cannot grant you that the SSPX did the right thing."

There is more, though.

If, indeed, the SSPX expelled the molestor because of his sexual crimes against minors, then why was the official explanation that he was plotting to create a new order? Why was he not turned over to prosecutors? Why was it not made clear to the world that he was what he was?

If he had been expelled publicly for abuse of minors, then Bishop Timlin may have acted differently.

Certainly, that the SSPX publicly said one thing, and Bishop Fellay privately told Bishop Timlin might lead Bishop Timlin to rightly say to himself that perhaps Bishop Fellay was just acting vengefully. In all likelihood, the abuser advanced this to Bishop Timlin, "Oh, Bishop Fellay is still mad at us for trying to set up our new order," or what have you.

Even in expelling him, the SSPX erred in not reporting this to the authorities, and publicly stating the true reasons for his expulsion.

These are the very same things that our bishops have been doing for years, and for which we are rightfully angry and hurt. Why would this sort of cover-up be permissible for the SSPX?


sitetest


23 posted on 12/02/2004 3:47:25 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

what a mess.


24 posted on 12/02/2004 3:50:41 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: sitetest

You make good points. It is simply not in the job description of bishops of any kind to turn offenders over to authorities.


25 posted on 12/02/2004 4:29:53 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Who is attacking the SSPX? I made several innocuous posts

You posted that timeline with a very tendentious use of bold type in order to try to find a way to make the SSPX look bad in a situation in the SSPX did the right thing while the diocese did the wrong thing.

26 posted on 12/03/2004 7:15:07 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Simple question: why did it take the SSPX 10 years to get rid of him, knowing his record at their own seminary in Argentina?

You are incorrectly assuming that he was working with the SSPX all that time in between. The news release from Bishop Williamson at the time of the expulsion from Winona says that he had been there for 2.5 years.

Remember, he was expelled, twice. And most of all, there was no cover up. This is the biggest difference of all, in addition to the fact that he was expelled, unlike the Diocese of Scranton which tried to stonewall for several years even after lawsuits were filed.

27 posted on 12/03/2004 7:18:58 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian; St. Johann Tetzel; Canticle_of_Deborah

He also got his timeline from this rather biased website:

Is the Society of St. Pius X a Cult?


28 posted on 12/03/2004 7:23:33 AM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: sitetest
If, indeed, the SSPX expelled the molestor because of his sexual crimes against minors, then why was the official explanation that he was plotting to create a new order?

You have nearly all your facts wrong. First, there were never crimes against minors in Winona. Secondly, he was plotting to create a new order, that is more than clear. Third, the evidence of sexual turpitude may have been revealed after he was expelled. Fourth, homosexual relations between consenting adults are not crimes in Minnesota, so there was nothing to report to civil authorities, and the facts were reported to the appropriate ecclesiastical authorities.

If he had been expelled publicly for abuse of minors, then Bishop Timlin may have acted differently. Certainly, that the SSPX publicly said one thing, and Bishop Fellay privately told Bishop Timlin might lead Bishop Timlin to rightly say to himself that perhaps Bishop Fellay was just acting vengefully.

Bishop Timlin had to use his own judgment, which was revealed to be woefully lacking. An official letter from one bishop to another is "private" only in the sense that it's not published in the newspaper. But it was a direct and unequivocal notification, taken as officially as possible. Even only some New Order bishops had ever acted as responsibly, we wouldn't have the current sad state of scandal.

29 posted on 12/03/2004 7:24:38 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Land of the Irish

I did a search for the timeline, which I had seen on another site in the past. The timeline was the same, so I posted it. I've never seen the website it came from before, "Is the SSPX a Cult?" so your point is moot. Furthermore, I do NOT believe the SSPX is a cult, nor is it as grave a threat to the unity and faith of Catholics as the USCCB.


30 posted on 12/03/2004 7:55:52 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: Maximilian

Dear Maximilian,

If he was expelled for plotting to create a new order, and the SSPX was unaware of homosexual relations on his part prior to his expulsion, then on what basis did Bishop Fellay make his accusations? For accusations made after the fact of his expulsion? Frankly, if I were the individual to whom Bishop Fellay communicated these things, I would discount them heavily.

It is a natural human tendency to demonize those whom we have decided were once our friends but are now our enemies. When an individual's picture of someone grows increasingly darker after the rupture of the relationship, others need to be careful in accepting uncritically all that is purported by the individual. Even if Bishop Timlin were to ascribe goodwill to an excommunicant, he should still have dealt with any accusations of this nature very gingerly, with great caution.

Certainly, the SSPX did. For ten years or more. It took ten years for the SSPX to figure out the priest was not a good fellow.

If the SSPX did not know that he was an active homosexual at the time of departure, then for ten years, he ably fooled the SSPX! What good judgment is represented there? If they were unaware of his perverted lusts, he deceived the SSPX for ten years while living in their midst!

If, on the other hand, the SSPX had some knowledge of his homosexual acts before expelling him, then at the least, it should have been made clear that that was a reason for expulsion, at the time of expulsion.

But the question arises, then, what did the SSPX know, and when did they know it? Even you are unclear as to the actual facts of the situation.

"An official letter from one bishop to another"

Well, this is as true as it goes, but this phrase truncates the truth. The letter sent was not between two Catholic bishops in communion with the Catholic Church, but between a Catholic bishop in communion with the Catholic Church and an excommunicated, renegade bishop without any jurisdiction whatsoever leading up an organizaiton that has been declared in schism by the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church.

Whether you regard the SSPX as being in or out of the Catholic Church, the pope does not, and it is very unlikely that Bishop Timlin disagrees with the Holy Father. Thus, from Bishop Timlin's perspective, he is not receiving a communication from a brother bishop of the Catholic Church. He is receiving accusations that are "coming over the transom" from the head of an organization with a checkered history, that has been declared out of communion with the Catholic Church. He is receiving accusations from someone who has beeen marked, by name, as excommunicated by the Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Catholic Church.

Furthermore, he is receiving this accusation against someone who eventually turned against the excommunicant's organization.

Just as the SSPX took over ten years to come to a negative conclusion about this person's fitness to be a priest, it took the Catholic Church some time, as well (although somewhat less than 10 years).

I'm not sure that either the SSPX organization or the Catholic Church covered themselves in glory in this case, but one certainly can't condemn the actions of the Catholic Church while upholding the prudence and good judgment of the SSPX organization.


sitetest


31 posted on 12/03/2004 8:00:46 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Just as the SSPX took over ten years to come to a negative conclusion about this person's fitness to be a priest, it took the Catholic Church some time, as well (although somewhat less than 10 years).

I'm not sure that either the SSPX organization or the Catholic Church covered themselves in glory in this case, but one certainly can't condemn the actions of the Catholic Church while upholding the prudence and good judgment of the SSPX organization.

You must be a hateful person blind to the truth for pointing this out...(/sarcasm)

32 posted on 12/03/2004 8:35:36 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

"You must be a hateful person blind to the truth for pointing this out...(/sarcasm)"

I try. ;-)


33 posted on 12/03/2004 8:57:00 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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